The Flash The Flash-Season 1-Episode 20-"The Trap"

[Hulk1968]

The Hanibal Bates scene had so many flaws in it. He was talking to Cisco as if he knows everything about Wells (killing Nora, being dead for centuries, etc). Plus, how did he get into the force field when even Barry couldn't? lol. Its incredible how so many things have been revealed so far, but u can still feel there is more coming. I really cant wait for the finale, and how Wells/RF story will end.

How so? Hanibal Bates (Everyman) could only look like someone after he touched them. When he was introduced, it was only speculated that he could "copy" super powers but that theory was proven wrong. I'm guessing that Eobard Thawne (Wells) told him what to say and nothing more. So he was only pretending to be Wells and not the reverse Flash part of Wells. (his super speed)

 

[Headliner]

The Hanibal Bates scene had so many flaws in it. He was talking to Cisco as if he knows everything about Wells (killing Nora, being dead for centuries, etc). Plus, how did he get into the force field when even Barry couldn't? lol. Its incredible how so many things have been revealed so far, but u can still feel there is more coming. I really cant wait for the finale, and how Wells/RF story will end.

Bates does seem to inherit some memory. Wells could have doctored him up though.

He was able to get in the force field because he didn't have Thawne's super speed. Much like how Bates didn't inherit Barry's super speed last week when he turned into him. If it was the real Thawne he would not have been able to get in.

 

[Hulk1968]

I liked the episode but felt like a tease of the action to come in the upcoming episode. The dramatic tension was definitely ramped up this episode and poor Eddie finding out about his legacy the way he did. What kind of insurance policy is he by the way?

Eddie Thawne is Eobard Thawne's ancestor. (maybe his grandfather)

So if Eddie dies then that means no Eobard Thawne (Reverse Flash) so it's not that hard to figure it out since they both have the same last name as Eddie himself pointed out after Eobard told him who he was.

(The same plot device is used in a lot of time travel stories like Back to The Future for example. If your dad and mom never meet (or if one dies) then you'll never be born. It's known as the "grandfather paradox". [google it])

 

[Ted]

How so? Hanibal Bates (Everyman) could only look like someone after he touched them. When he was introduced, it was only speculated that he could "copy" super powers but that theory was proven wrong. I'm guessing that Eobard Thawne (Wells) told him what to say and nothing more. So he was only pretending to be Wells and not the reverse Flash part of Wells. (his super speed)

That's exactly my point. How did he get into the force field, when Barry himself couldn't. Bates just walked into it like its nothing. At first I though it was Wells, maybe using 'phasing' or whatever Barry cant do, but its not Wells, its Bates, a guy who can only look like Wells, not copy his powers. About Wells telling him what to say, yeah, that's the only conclusion to that, although I am sure the writers could do better than that, but I guess its not that important since now everything is out in the open.

Just watched the episode again, did anyone else saw in the opening scene, when they showed Iris West- Allen thing, in the description it says Flash, Green Arrow, The Atom and Hawkgirl were fighting Reverse Flash and Flahs and RF disappeared in an explosion. Does it mean, that this will be in the finale scene, except instead of The Atom it will be Firestorm with the other 2.

 

[Paradox1]

Eddie Thawne is Eobard Thawne's ancestor. (maybe his grandfather)

So if Eddie dies then that means no Eobard Thawne (Reverse Flash) so it's not that hard to figure it out since they both have the same last name as Eddie himself pointed out after Eobard told him who he was.

(The same plot device is used in a lot of time travel stories like Back to The Future for example. If your dad and mom never meet (or if one dies) then you'll never be born. It's known as the "grandfather paradox". [google it])

I doubt he took Eddie for grandfather paradox reasons. I'm guessing he is going to turn him into a speedster warping his mind to hate the Flash.

 

[Ted]

Bates does seem to inherit some memory. Wells could have doctored him up though.

He was able to get in the force field because he didn't have Thawne's super speed. Much like how Bates didn't inherit Barry's super speed last week when he turned into him. If it was the real Thawne he would not have been able to get in.

Ah, my bad. I misunderstood it, I thought no one could enter inside that, I didn't realize its only designed for a speedster.

 

[Hulk1968]

That's exactly my point. How did he get into the force field, when Barry himself couldn't. Bates just walked into it like its nothing. At first I though it was Wells, maybe using 'phasing' or whatever Barry cant do, but its not Wells, its Bates, a guy who can only look like Wells, not copy his powers. About Wells telling him what to say, yeah, that's the only conclusion to that, although I am sure the writers could do better than that, but I guess its not that important since now everything is out in the open.

Just watched the episode again, did anyone else saw in the opening scene, when they showed Iris West- Allen thing, in the description it says Flash, Green Arrow, The Atom and Hawkgirl were fighting Reverse Flash and Flahs and RF disappeared in an explosion. Does it mean, that this will be in the finale scene, except instead of The Atom it will be Firestorm with the other 2.

Thank you!
It's like nobody pays attention to the show when it airs and asks all these questions afterward even though its painfully obvious if they actually pay attention.

Cisco told Barry, Joe, Eddie, and Cailin that he reversed the force field to prevent a Speedster from getting inside. If anyone (like Barry) just walks into it (minus using powers) then they could do so, I'm guessing. When Barry super-speeded up there, he just bounced off like a bullet. I know it sounds confusing I suppose.

Oh, I noticed the newpaper from the future as well. Very cool easter eggs but that event doesn't happen until 2024, so it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.(Oh and the article was written by Iris West-Allen)

 

[Ted]

Thank you!
It's like nobody pays attention to the show when it airs and asks all these questions afterward even though its painfully obvious if they actually pay attention.

Cisco told Barry, Joe, Eddie, and Cailin that he reversed the force field to prevent a Speedster from getting inside. If anyone (like Barry) just walks into it (minus using powers) then they could do so, I'm guessing. When Barry super-speeded up there, he just bounced off like a bullet. I know it sounds confusing I suppose.

Oh, I noticed the newpaper from the future as well. Very cool easter eggs but that event doesn't happen until 2024, so it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.(Oh and the article was written by Iris West-Allen)

Well, its easy to miss the part where Cisco said speedster, its not like they emphasized on it. Yea, the event happens in 2024, but that's in the original timeline, where the particle thing exploded in 2020 as was said in few episodes back. I'm guessing if they want to recreate that scene in the current timeline, the best time would be when Firestorm and Arrow joins Flash in finale. Unless, every time RF shows up, Barry would need to run to Oliver for help, even after 10 years, lol.

 

[Human Torch]

I wrote a whole review out for this already,but for some reason,I lost it. I hope I can remember all the points I made before:


I was glad at how they were able to get all the characters up to speed & on the same page without it felling like forced exposition.

I could do without the flashbacks, though the last one was admittedly cool.

The Iris scenes were as usual, a bring down.The secret I.D reveal was one of the laziest in comic book history. Iris remembers a static electricity shock from over a year ago?

Thawne had to kidnap Eddie before he proposed, otherwise he may not have existed! (Or at the very least,he would have changed his ethnicity. )

This isn't the first time Wells (can we still call him Wells?) used some dumb schmuck from the pipeline as cannon fodder. t:

This one did raise quite a few questions from me:

If you suck all the air out of a room,won't people's lungs burst?

How did Everyman get through the shield?

Caitlin seemed very endangered in "the plan". Cisco was presumably safe behind the shield and Barry would supposedly protect Joe,but what if Thawne Zoomed woot upstairs to kill Caitlin?

Why would Gideon willingly serve Thawne if she were built by Barry?

Anyhow,fun ep.All the cards are out on the table for the exciting finish!

 

[Rowen]

I can't wait for the reverse flash and flash to fight each other. This episode was pretty good Cisco went to sleep pretty quickly. I didn't see that coming where Everyman was posing as wells so I guess he's dead now since Barry couldn't save him.

 

[Ted]

Thawne had to kidnap Eddie before he proposed, otherwise he may not have existed! (Or at the very least,he would have changed his ethnicity. )

Caitlin seemed very endangered in "the plan". Cisco was presumably safe behind the shield and Barry would supposedly protect Joe,but what if Thawne Zoomed woot upstairs to kill Caitlin?

Why would Gideon willingly serve Thawne if she were built by Barry?

Anyhow,fun ep.All the cards are out on the table for the exciting finish!

LMAO, at RF preventing the proposal cause of the ethnicicty. Don't forget the part where Joe told Eddie to take care of Iris in case he, Cisco, and The Flash cant deal with RF.

 

[Headliner]

Bates does seem to inherit some memory. Wells could have doctored him up though.

He was able to get in the force field because he didn't have Thawne's super speed. Much like how Bates didn't inherit Barry's super speed last week when he turned into him. If it was the real Thawne he would not have been able to get in.

Also, Eobard is the king of manipulation. We seen what he did when Cisco couldn't figure out how Reverse Flash got out the force field.

He probably manipulated Gideon into obeying him by re-programming the operation panel.

 

[Human Torch]

LMAO, at RF preventing the proposal cause of the ethnicicty. Don't forget the part where Joe told Eddie to take care of Iris in case he, Cisco, and The Flash cant deal with RF.

Thawne would've been the victim of a race change,by his own causing.

Yeah,Eddie turned out very helpful in that situation.

 

[macphisto96]

The Hanibal Bates scene had so many flaws in it. He was talking to Cisco as if he knows everything about Wells (killing Nora, being dead for centuries, etc). Plus, how did he get into the force field when even Barry couldn't? lol. Its incredible how so many things have been revealed so far, but u can still feel there is more coming. I really cant wait for the finale, and how Wells/RF story will end.

Btw, can we really trust that Barry created Gideon? I thought it was a just to fool them into thinking they are ahead of Wells, and also, Barry might be a scientist but to create something like Gideon I would think needs the expertise of ppl like Cisco. I mean, when was the last time Barry created anything other than running some experiments in his lab, its Cisco and sometimes Caitlyn who do all the work in Star labs.

Bates was coached on what to say. Wells has known this confrontation was coming and prepared Bates over the past week. He knew what Barry was looking for him to say and heard everything Cisco said while in his dream.

Why could Bates get through? The force field was designed to stop a speedster. We were told last week that Bates could only mimic the physical characteristics but not take superpowers. He's not Parasite. Bullets went through okay too. Barry did not. It stops speedsters and nothing else.

 

[Legendver2]

Gideon - "Aka the Flash, a founding member of...."

 

[mkilban2]

I thought what Barry said to Iris before he zoomed off at the end was why she knew it was Barry. I thought he said somethinf similar earlier in the episode but maybe I made that up lol.

 

[Ted]

Its funny how the Flash team could figure out things like Cisco's dream was about different timeline, Wells might be from future since the newspaper is from future, but no one seems to be questioning where did the older Flash went after that night 15 years ago. That's one of the main things I hope they make clear in future episodes.

 

[rc1980]

That last scene with Wells talking to coma Barry was intense.

It was.. makes you wonder WHAT he was talking about.. what drove Wells to HATE future barry so much.. whats driven him to never forgive him...?

Could be a number of things...

My money is on Eobard discovered that he would die by Barrys hands and thats what is driving him...


I think there are more revelations coming.. Eobard looks to have a significant grudge against future Barry Allen that goes beyond Good vs Evil...

 

[Seb]

I thought that the Iris/Flash reveal was OK. Sure, just getting it from the static shock would be nuts, but Barry had also just dismissed her questions about metahumans by saying that the Particle accelerator hurt him but he didn't get powers. Iris was probably thinking about that afterwards, so her mind was in a place where accepting that Barry has powers wasn't so outlandish. Also, bringing up his coma would have brought those memories (including the shock, if for some reason it felt significant enough for her to have remembered it, which again is reasonable, though a little convenient) so she would have been primed to associate that as well. All in all, they did position all the pieces well for her to make the leap.

 

[HighFivingMF]

The Hanibal Bates scene had so many flaws in it. He was talking to Cisco as if he knows everything about Wells (killing Nora, being dead for centuries, etc).

Thawne is in cahoots with a mind-controlling gorilla who gets the spotlight next episode.

Plus, how did he get into the force field when even Barry couldn't? lol.

It was designed to keep speedsters out. Everyman isn't that.

Btw, can we really trust that Barry created Gideon? I thought it was a just to fool them into thinking they are ahead of Wells, and also, Barry might be a scientist but to create something like Gideon I would think needs the expertise of ppl like Cisco. I mean, when was the last time Barry created anything other than running some experiments in his lab, its Cisco and sometimes Caitlyn who do all the work in Star labs.

It's 10 years in the future. Somebody who already has a background in science, two gifted scientists at his disposal, and the ability to read entire books in seconds could probably make some advancements if he decided to.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Really liked this episode. Can't wait to see what happens next.

 

[Headliner]

Its funny how the Flash team could figure out things like Cisco's dream was about different timeline, Wells might be from future since the newspaper is from future, but no one seems to be questioning where did the older Flash went after that night 15 years ago. That's one of the main things I hope they make clear in future episodes.

Someone should tweet the producers of the show about this (which leads to them to explaining in an episode) because I've been bothered by this for weeks.

 

[stillanerd]

So much to process after tonight's episode.

Barry being Gideon's creator? Didn't see that coming at all.

Everyman impersonating Wells/Eobard? Didn't see that coming either, but should have.

Wells/Eobard fully aware that "Team Flash" knew who he was because he set up surveillance on everyone (including Iris and Eddie's sex life apparently ) which is call back to the third episode of the season? Definitely didn't see that one coming, but should have.

Also glad that finally Iris figured out Barry is Flash on her own, but hated the way she did find out. Really CW? she figures it out because of a literal spark between them?

And poor, poor Eddie getting triple-cockblocked in this episode. First by a newspaper from the future written by his would-be finance, then by his partner and would-be fiancee's dad, and then by his own great great great great grandson. No wonder the Thawne family will become evil. t:

Also, great villain monologues by Tom Cavanaugh, what his speech where he tells "Team Flash" that he's actually made their lives better than they were and sincerely believes it (well, he might have prevented Caitlin from becoming Killer Frost...maybe). And then in that flashback in the end, where he admits he's actually become fond of Barry but cannot forgive. Great stuff.

Just a fantastic episode all around, save for the obligatory CW soap opera portion.

 

[Ted]

Someone should tweet the producers of the show about this (which leads to them to explaining in an episode) because I've been bothered by this for weeks.

Same here, I wonder if the shows producer have talked about it yet, in some interview or whatever which I may have missed. They could just have someone like Cisco say 'what happened to the older Barry' and move on to another scene if they are not ready to reveal what happened, but at least the audience will know that they will discuss it in the future. Totally ignoring it suggest that either they are not planning to explain it, or the older Barry would appear in the future as an element of surprise.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but am I the only one assuming that the Flash vanishes event is because he travelled back in time to save his mother? Because if that is true, and future Barry is no longer in the same timeline, it only means he went back to his own timeline leaving Wells here, but that wouldn't explain why Wells is always so happy to see that in april 24, 2024 Barry disappears? Maybe he should ask Gideon to show what happens in april 25

 

[stillanerd]

Its funny how the Flash team could figure out things like Cisco's dream was about different timeline, Wells might be from future since the newspaper is from future, but no one seems to be questioning where did the older Flash went after that night 15 years ago. That's one of the main things I hope they make clear in future episodes.

"What happened to Future Barry?" is definitely the one mystery left from this season, which I imagine will continue throughout the series. Although, it would be really cool if, in the last episode of this season, Barry gets a glimpse of himself from the future briefly crossing into his timeline not unlike what happened in episode 15.