The Friday The 13th Movies Thread - Part 2

[BH/HHH]

How come Freddy and Jason have not tangled again? Bring Pinhead into the mix. Have Bruce Campbell as well. Could you imagine Freddy in Ash nightmare? Hilarious

Well it took them so long to find a script they liked for FvJ, so once again they knew a sequel would be difficult. Another problem facing the FvJ sequel was they wanted to introduce a third horror icon but they didn't gave the rights to Pinhead, Micharl Myers, etc. They did try to bring Ash into the mix but after Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell said no due to creative differences (Raimi & Campbell both wanted Ash to kill off Freddy and Jadon) the studio put the sequel on hold. Before ultimately cancelling it altogether. Tbh I don't see what the issue was with Raimi/Campell's request for Ash to kill the two. The two had been killed in films multiple times before. Something tells me it was a bit if a dick measuring exercise with the producers feeling like Raimi & Campbell didn't respect Freddy or Jason. In an ideal world we would have had Freddy vs Jason vs Ash and then the icons would have later been rebooted.

As we know though a lot of stuff happened with New Line been absorbed by WBs who decided to reboot both properties via Platinum Dunes at that point.

What annoys me is Friday the 13th '09 was a big success but because it made virtually all its money in the first weekend (which history tells you is the norm for the F13th series) and they had to split the profit with Paramount they then put the sequel to that on the back burner. What WBs should realise is F13th films can be made relatively cheap and don't need to cost £20 million to make (you could make a Friday the 13th for less than half of that). Then Paramount get the rights back and they fail to make a new film in the period they held the rights for. Which is ridiculous, especually as they were the company who did the first 8. They knew you can make it for a relatively cheap amount if money and name a quick return. Nick Antosca's script was a good basis for the new film, a rewrite or two could have fixed the issues in the script. We could have been now waiting for the 14th film in the franchise in that winter setting.

Honestly WBs May aswell let someone else have the rights at this rate cause I don't see them rushing to do a new F13th. I would love to see ArieScope get hold of it, Adam Green directing a Friday the 13th is just a no brainer. Be great if they could strike a Blumhouse Halloween type deal with WBs.

Sorry I went on a bit of rant there.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

No he isn't and it's because he's just a guy. The director of even admitted this in one of the DVD interviews.

I do think that MBV ( and it's 3D remake) are under appreciated for what they are.

I don't see how being "a guy" can make a villain non iconic in your eyes. I prefer the early F13ths, in which Jason is a backwoods loon over his "zombie" days (with the exception of Jason Lives which might be the 2nd best film in the franchise). Is Batman not iconic? He's just a guy! And MBV is a classic movie. Considered by most slasher aficionados to be one of the greatest slashers of the eighties. You should look up modern reviews of it. It is the furthest thing from underappreciated. Now the 3D remake is underrated.

 

[BH/HHH]

My Bloody Valentine (1981) is one of my top 5 horror movies of all-time. But it's more of an underrated slasher film than the iconic ones are. It's got more fans now because more people have acces to it and it's certainly considered a classic amongst horror fans.

Harry Warden is certainly not that well known outside of the hortor community though. But him been "just a guy" doesn't take anything away from how cool of a character and concept for a slasher he is. I think had MBV had sequels Harry certainly would have been remembered as iconic.

I too prefer the Jason of the early films (even though I still love Zombie Jason) and I think the first four are the best films in the series. Infact they are the most revered by fans, they're often referred to as 'the core four' amongst the Friday fans.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I don't see how being "a guy" can make a villain non iconic in your eyes. I prefer the early F13ths, in which Jason is a backwoods loon over his "zombie" days (with the exception of Jason Lives which might be the 2nd best film in the franchise). Is Batman not iconic? He's just a guy! And MBV is a classic movie. Considered by most slasher aficionados to be one of the greatest slashers of the eighties. You should look up modern reviews of it. It is the furthest thing from underappreciated. Now the 3D remake is underrated.

Harry Warden being "just a guy" is too broad of a statement. I will admit that. What I mean by that is because he turns out to be

Spoiler

crazy Axel Palmer at the end of it,

the twist really kills the mythology they set up at the beginning of the movie.

Back to Friday the 13th, if Jason had just been a vengeful 20 something without physically looking like a monster, they wouldn't have made it past part 2.

 

[Wildcard]

Harry Warden being "just a guy" is too broad of a statement. I will admit that. What I mean by that is because he turns out to be

Spoiler

crazy Axel Palmer at the end of it,

the twist really kills the mythology they set up at the beginning of the movie.

Back to Friday the 13th, if Jason had just been a vengeful 20 something without physically looking like a monster, they wouldn't have made it past part 2.

Exactly. Hence why Miller's "original intent" doesn't matter because that's not what we got. In the grand scope of things, where filmmaking is concerned, all that truly matters is what makes it on-screen.

 

[BH/HHH]

Harry Warden being "just a guy" is too broad of a statement. I will admit that. What I mean by that is because he turns out to be

Spoiler

crazy Axel Palmer at the end of it,

the twist really kills the mythology they set up at the beginning of the movie.

Back to Friday the 13th, if Jason had just been a vengeful 20 something without physically looking like a monster, they wouldn't have made it past part 2.

I remember on the MBV doc on the uncut release of the film that was what I believe the director or producer said. But I personally think the only reason he isn't as iconic is due to the lack of sequels. I know there was one written but it never got made for whatever reason.

Well he always looked like a monster even when "human" and he became iconic due to the hockey mask. Sometimes you need that thing like the Hockey Mask or Kruegers glove etc to be well remembered but I also think as proven with these icons that you also need multiple movies.

 

[flickchick85]

Be respectful of each others' opinions/interpretations, please.

 

[STARMAN]

I've seen some of these movies but I'm not well verse in them or know the back stories behind them. My preference is for the non-zombie version. For lack of a better word, the rawness of those early films, give them a tension I don't feel from the later films.

 

[BH/HHH]

I've seen some of these movies but I'm not well verse in them or know the back stories behind them. My preference is for the non-zombie version. For lack of a better word, the rawness of those early films, give them a tension I don't feel from the later films.

Agreed, I find the later films are fun but those early ones are the ones that have that raw feel that I love.

 

[The Joker]

I've seen some of these movies but I'm not well verse in them or know the back stories behind them. My preference is for the non-zombie version. For lack of a better word, the rawness of those early films, give them a tension I don't feel from the later films.

Seconded.

 

[Wildcard]

I've seen some of these movies but I'm not well verse in them or know the back stories behind them. My preference is for the non-zombie version. For lack of a better word, the rawness of those early films, give them a tension I don't feel from the later films.

Not to mention the earlier films treat Jason as the true villain he is as opposed to being some kind of slasher superhero, which he clearly isn't. And some even still view him as some sort of anti-hero, which is so inaccurate.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Not to mention the earlier films treat Jason as the true villain he is as opposed to being some kind of slasher superhero, which he clearly isn't. And some even still view him as some sort of anti-hero, which is so inaccurate.

I agree for the most part. Even though Part 6 is considered zombie-Jason I still think that movie is in the upper echelon of Friday films. It's the last Friday film where I was rooting for the characters instead of Jason. After that it went downhill.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

I agree for the most part. Even though Part 6 is considered zombie-Jason I still think that movie is in the upper echelon of Friday films. It's the last Friday film where I was rooting for the characters instead of Jason. After that it went downhill.

It's the second best in the series IMO, only below The Final Chapter.

 

[Wildcard]

I agree for the most part. Even though Part 6 is considered zombie-Jason I still think that movie is in the upper echelon of Friday films. It's the last Friday film where I was rooting for the characters instead of Jason. After that it went downhill.

I'd have to agree that I consider part six the second best in the series. Largely because it manages to deconstruct the series in a way that isn't 100% silly, something that was done before Wes Craven's New Nightmare or the Scream series had the opportunity to.

The sad thing is, while part six does get a lot of love, I still feel like it's a tad bit too underrated.

Also, Megan's always been one of my favorite of the final girls. I loved her sarcastic, energetic attitude.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

Man, the Guzikowski script really wasn't bad. It's just...Kind of messy? I don't like the structure of it. The entire first third is Elias Voorhees being a serial killer in Crystal Lake. Why? Not quite sure why. There is a cool moment where he slashes two throats at once, then bleeds out another counselor and frames him for all murders. Apparently he was a violent abusive husband, until Jason (quite sympathetic portrayal here) dies then he stops killing.

I don't quite like the middle part with Pamela finding out what happened to Jason, and kidnapping the two final girls after cutting off Elias's hand and killing him. It's a bit torture pornish and it sure doesn't feel like Friday the 13th. It's very Cherry Falls-ish, with the two tied up girls trying to make noise as someone comes to the door. I dunno...doesn't feel like a F13 Part 13 as the script is called.

And then Jason pops out after the girls escape. He's got his hockey mask.....where? Are we to understand he didn't drown? He lived on the island on the middle of the lake? The counselors are far from being as good as the ones in Antosca's script. I mean....I didn't care for Ben, Kevin, Kiara, Holly or Becky, etc. Typical slasher mooks to get cut down. Jason doesn't have any characterization here unlike the Antosca script. He's just a big dumb slasher, who is apparently unkillable. Would have loved to see the moment they find another group of counselors from the other camp, only to find Jason strung em' Predator style though. That's pretty cool.

The kills were also pretty nondescript. I can only really remember the trident through the door. I remember the other unused script's full bodycount.

We don't need to spoiler things from movies that will never happen I hope, haha?

 

[Wildcard]

Nah, you're cool. haha you can't spoil something that isn't ever going to happen. But yeah, that script was a mess...I honestly thought it was bad. I literally got a headache trying to read it. It tried to fit in way too much & for a 90 minute movie, there's no way you can have Pamela, Elias AND Jason all be the killer.

Very glad this script won't ever be filmed.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

I'm just trying to understand the logic of Paramount's execs here.

Exec: Just read the Antosca script. Yeah, we'll go another way.
Exec 2: So no eighties set movie, then? Modern reboot again?
Exec: No, I want that script. Except way overcomplicated and messy. That'll do it.
Writer of Prisoners: I got you fam.
Exec: Oh and the characters?
Writer of Prisoners: Yeah?
Exec: Make them suck a whole lot. Not a single interesting character.
Writer of Prisoners: There's a guy whose entire character arc is wearing headphones.
Exec 1 and 2: YASSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[Wildcard]

I'm just trying to understand the logic of Paramount's execs here.

Exec: Just read the Antosca script. Yeah, we'll go another way.
Exec 2: So no eighties set movie, then? Modern reboot again?
Exec: No, I want that script. Except way overcomplicated and messy. That'll do it.
Writer of Prisoners: I got you fam.
Exec: Oh and the characters?
Writer of Prisoners: Yeah?
Exec: Make them suck a whole lot. Not a single interesting character.
Writer of Prisoners: There's a guy whose entire character arc is wearing headphones.
Exec 1 and 2: YASSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I could see the conversation going exactly like this not only for F13th but for pretty much every project Paramount attempts to tackle these days. They have no clue what to do with F13th or any other property...this is why they're slated to lose so much money in the coming years.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

Pictured, a Paramount executive, being presented with good ideas.

 

[Wildcard]

Pictured, a Paramount executive, being presented with good ideas.

100% accurate.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

With the massive success of It, I think Paramount would be insane not to get this going sometime this year for a 2018 release. I don't know if they are aware of it, but 80's nostalgia is HUGE right now thanks to the popularity of Stranger Things. With Season 2 coming out this year now would be the perfect time for them to take advantage if they want the film to be successful.

I know last I checked they were still a struggling studio that need all the hits they can get.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

With the massive success of It, I think Paramount would be insane not to get this going sometime this year for a 2018 release. I don't know if they are aware of it, but 80's nostalgia is HUGE right now thanks to the popularity of Stranger Things. With Season 2 coming out this year now would be the perfect time for them to take advantage if they want the film to be successful.

I know last I checked they were still a struggling studio that need all the hits they can get.

Paramount scrapped the plans for a 'Friday the 13th' movie after 'The Rings' flopped miserably earlier in the year. The have no immediate plans for another movie and the full rights are probably gonna revert back to WB after this year.

 

[BH/HHH]

Paramount reall blew it, they could have had several Friday movies out in the time they had the rights for. Just shows what idiots are in charge these days. It's not rocket science to make a F13th film but they felt the need to over complicate things.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

Paramount scrapped the plans for a 'Friday the 13th' movie after 'The Rings' flopped miserably earlier in the year. The have no immediate plans for another movie and the full rights are probably gonna revert back to WB after this year.

Wow if that's indeed true what a missed opportunity. Warner Bros is doing so well right now that they don't even need it which just leaves a whole bunch of money sitting on the table. I don't understand why it was so hard for Paramount to get one out either. I liked the idea of setting it back in the 80's, because that's pretty much what they did with the 2003 TCM remake which I am a fan of. That movie was just more modernized with the new technology at the time, but I thought it worked well for the most part. Hell I even liked the idea that the sequel for the 2009 reboot was going to take place almost entirely in the snow. Man why is it so easy for me to come up with this stuff, but so hard for them?

 

[BH/HHH]

Wow if that's indeed true what a missed opportunity. Warner Bros is doing so well right now that they don't even need it which just leaves a whole bunch of money sitting on the table. I don't understand why it was so hard for Paramount to get one out either. I liked the idea of setting it back in the 80's, because that's pretty much what they did with the 2003 TCM remake which I am a fan of. That movie was just more modernized with the new technology at the time, but I thought it worked well for the most part. Hell I even liked the idea that the sequel for the 2009 reboot was going to take place almost entirely in the snow. Man why is it so easy for me to come up with this stuff, but so hard for them?

I honestly wish WBs would just loan out the rights to someone like Arie Scope or Blumhouse.

The reason people at Paramount don't get it is they don't think with the right mentality, they want to hit on what's hot at the time. They tried to force found footage on it for so long. They're just clueless which is why we need the rights to go to someone who cares.