The HULK Thread - Part 1

It felt like Whedon didn't know where to take Hulk from where he left him in Avengers 1 and decided to just undo it all.

Rampaging, hexxed Hulk aside, I didn't like how they made him even more animal like when he could clearly speak and think critically in A1. Widow had to fearfully approach a raving mad Hulk to calm him down, like he's a rabid dog.

But in the New York battle he was not acting threateningly to any of his team members while idly standing by them. He followed orders and waited patiently in the back of the group as they apprehended Loki. If the Schwarma scene is to be thought of as canon, Hulk transformed back shortly after, presumably without anything remotely like The Lullaby. He makes a snarky comment about Loki being a god. He hits Thor, which could be considered him attacking his own team, but he did it in a smug, casual fashion because Thor is his rival. He pulls a Leviathan away from a building full of people. He could have just punched at it if he was truly just an animal but instead he makes an effort to steer it away. He saves a team member.

The intelligence was actually always there but not really carried into his next appearance. Hell, we could have gotten a gradual evolution to how he is in Ragnarok if Whedon didn't get cold feet about the arc he had started for Bruce/Hulk.

When Josh Whedon was anounced as the writer and director of the Avengers, my stomach turned. I recalled in an old Wizard Magazine article he once stated he didn't find the Hulk visceral. I was sure he'd ruin him in the film. While it wasn't awful, I still can't stomach the scenes of Hulk acting ape like. Not understanding the character, I would not expect Whedon to understand that Hulk is not like anything else..."Hulk is Hulk" as the green Child-like Hulk consistently made clear.

Hope they somehow seperate hulk and banner just for a short time. It would be interesting to see them meet on film.
I don't mean savage hulk but fairly intelligent talkative hulk.

I wouldn't want to see that in an ensemble film. I would only prefer to see that in a standalone film wherein if something like that happened, they would have enough time to get into the logistics.
 
When Josh Whedon was anounced as the writer and director of the Avengers, my stomach turned. I recalled in an old Wizard Magazine article he once stated he didn't find the Hulk visceral. I was sure he'd ruin him in the film. While it wasn't awful, I still can't stomach the scenes of Hulk acting ape like. Not understanding the character, I would not expect Whedon to understand that Hulk is not like anything else..."Hulk is Hulk" as the green Child-like Hulk consistently made clear.



I wouldn't want to see that in an ensemble film. I would only prefer to see that in a standalone film wherein if something like that happened, they would have enough time to get into the logistics.

I HATE how ape-like Hulk moves in The Avengers films.
 
Interesting Ruffalo interview on Colbert.

Saw this posted on a different forum:

Getting a "I'm ashamed to be doing this" or maybe "I'm tired of doing this" vibe from Ruffalo here. Colbert may have brought that out with the "I know you are a serious actor" stuff (obviously saying Thor 3 isn't really "serious work"). Around 2:08 they start getting into the motion capture suit...which Ruffalo has complained about numerous times. "A trained actor reduced to a Chinese checker board" (opps...not very PC to say the name of a nationality)

Then Ruffalo is very insistent that he get credit for the vocal performance...and we visibly pleased that the audience cheered his demonstration. That illustrates the problem with the Hulk onscreen to me. The Banner actor is always going to want more Banner stuff and see the Hulk stuff as an intrusion on his "face time".

Then the "shame" stuff comes in at 3:10 when Colbert starts comparing Spotlight with Thor 3 in a non-flattering way and (of course) wondering where the "scathing indictment of the social political structure" was. Look at Ruffalo's reaction.....yikes. :sarah: He is visibly ashamed of the Hulk role and actually goes speechless. A great example from Colbert of the eye rolling hipster attitude toward anything "fun". It must be a beating to be an actor in Hollywood dealing with all that stuff.

Upside is that Thor 3 is apparently so good that even Colbert gave it a 10. (for Ruffalo's benefit no doubt) Best part is about 8:26 when they get into the Hulk talking. Loved Ruffalo's response to that. Probably the "give me lines" actor thing, but the point is valid. "What is he like?" "I'm sick of scream, smashing, and screaming all the time". Exactly the problem with the Hulk onscreen in all previous incarnations. He was never a real character.

Colbert actually seems to believe Ruffalo wears green makeup for the role?


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I wonder if he is tired of doing the character?
 
If I made a list of every actor in the MCU and sorted them by the person most likely to want to quit playing the character, Mark Ruffalo would actually be very likely to be last on that list.

He's been talking so much about how much fun he has, how his ideas for future films have been adopted, and he's been the most active out of them all when it comes to hyping the film on his own through social media.
 
He is just joking. They're having a bit of a laugh. The hole motion capture suit is something he jokes/complains all the time. And the comparison between Thor Ragnarok and Spotlight is just made to kind of make a joke of how completely different the movies are... He is not ashamed at all. Maybe a little bit put off by the comparison but he loves how Thor Ragnarok came out. I mean come on! Have this guy that wrote that essay even been watching all the other interviews Ruffalo gave before this. He loves the character and the movie and he has been very vocal about it.

Whoever wrote that "essay" is way overthinking stuff. Ruffalo has been so happy the hole "media" tour, he had a blast with Chris Hemsworth and Taika Waititi. He is super close with Chris Hemsworth and they basically love each other. They are really good mates.

Now Ruffalo wanting more of the character. More of Hulk as a real character like he in Thor Ragnarok and not just a rage machine. Now that's totally legit and he has even said that before.
 
This Hulk in Ragnarok feels more like where the character should've been going in Age of Ultron instead of what they did, which was more like a regression.

I think Joss Whedon just didn't know how to grow or use Hulk post-Avengers. I will somewhat excuse Whedon because he was trying to do what he wanted in Age of Ultron and also please Disney executives. Not to mention he had to prep that film and help set up Agents of SHIELD, along with helping to oversee the other Marvel films.

I guess I was more hopeful because while it wasn't perfect, Hulk in Avengers felt like a step in the right direction. Ragnarok proves it can work.

I just never understood why filmmakers refuse to let Hulk talk and have his own character before Ragnarok.
 
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It felt like Whedon didn't know where to take Hulk from where he left him in Avengers 1 and decided to just undo it all.

Rampaging, hexxed Hulk aside, I didn't like how they made him even more animal like when he could clearly speak and think critically in A1. Widow had to fearfully approach a raving mad Hulk to calm him down, like he's a rabid dog.

But in the New York battle he was not acting threateningly to any of his team members while idly standing by them. He followed orders and waited patiently in the back of the group as they apprehended Loki. If the Schwarma scene is to be thought of as canon, Hulk transformed back shortly after, presumably without anything remotely like The Lullaby. He makes a snarky comment about Loki being a god. He hits Thor, which could be considered him attacking his own team, but he did it in a smug, casual fashion because Thor is his rival. He pulls a Leviathan away from a building full of people. He could have just punched at it if he was truly just an animal but instead he makes an effort to steer it away. He saves a team member.

The intelligence was actually always there but not really carried into his next appearance. Hell, we could have gotten a gradual evolution to how he is in Ragnarok if Whedon didn't get cold feet about the arc he had started for Bruce/Hulk.
Agreed. The transition across these films doesn't feel particularly consistent or effective. Glad that we have what can be a fresh start on this front from Ragnarok onwards.
 
I'm glad they at least managed to find a very good reason for this transition into a talking Hulk. Him having been Hulk for 2 years was a perfect explanation for the development of his personality. Now we can just go from here.
 
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I'm glad they at least managed to find a very good reason for this transition into a talking Hulk. Him having been Hulk for 2 years was a perfect explanation for the development of his personality. Now we can just go from here.

Yeah it works very well.
 
This Hulk in Ragnarok feels more like where the character should've been going in Age of Ultron instead of what they did, which was more like a regression.

I think Joss Whedon just didn't know how to grow or use Hulk post-Avengers. I will somewhat excuse Whedon because he was trying to do what he wanted in Age of Ultron and also please Disney executives. Not to mention he had to prep that film and help set up Agents of SHIELD, along with helping to oversee the other Marvel films.

I guess I was more hopeful because while it wasn't perfect, Hulk in Avengers felt like a step in the right direction. Ragnarok proves it can work.

I just never understood why filmmakers refuse to let Hulk talk and have his own character before Ragnarok.

Yeah I suppose I gotta give Whedon some credit for balancing virtually any of this. I don't think many directors could. He had to make a follow up to a massive crossover event while also setting things up for the future.

In Hulk's case, I think he just knew he needed to get Hulk to split off from the team to leave things open for him to appear virtually anywhere, if not particularly outer space, so future directors can have access to him. The easy way to do that was regress his character back to the "lonely man", "woe is me I'm a monster" deal with Hulk losing control yet again and then deciding to exile himself.

With the benefit of hindsight now, I think the better thing to do would have been to establish Hulk becoming his own entity with growing intelligence. But instead of just going along with being Banner's way of contributing to combat situation and locked up in every other situation, Hulk doesn't like being used in that capacity and still feels the weight of being under Banner's shadow. He'd want to be respected as an individual and struggle to remain in control, which could make the team nervous but without making him a snarling, rabid monster that they need a Hulkbuster and Lullaby to keep in check. Instead it becomes an issue of "how do we deal with one of our own having an internal war against himself?"

You could still have the Hulkbuster's creation be a joint effort from Stark and Bruce, so it's introduction wouldn't be a betrayal for Bruce, but Hulk would feel the insult of having Tony (the man he thought to be a potential friend, with how he encouraged both sides of Bruce to embrace being a hero) design something to hurt him. Make Hulk vocal about how this is ********, that they wouldn't trust him despite him clearly being more than an animal.

Personally I'd like to rework the Hulkbuster encounter to be Ultron forcing his way into one of Tony's suits to give himself an ace in the hole. So it's essentially a proper Hulk vs Ultron scene instead of Ultron just getting the motor oil kicked out of him. But if we keep it as Tony vs Hulk, then my suggestions above could greatly change the scenario and possibly make audiences root for Hulk who could not be necessarily rampaging but instead making a bid for dominance over Banner. Instead of Hulk being hexxed, it could Scarlet Witch making the team increasingly paranoid about having an intelligent Hulk around to the point that they misunderstand and then retaliate with force against Hulk.

So Hulk can still be the wild card of the team but have an actual character to him, and even an arc aside from "Hulk protect pretty red head and run away". Maybe my ideas aren't perfect but they'd be a huge improvement over the increasingly animalistic Hulk we got in AoU.
 
I'm really excited about the Hulk's next appearances based off this film. I hope the Russos will really build off the work that was done here.
 
Loved the Hulk in this. My only disappointment was I thought he would be in the finale a bit more. The Debris fight was quite short. And I was hoping he would have a brief skirmish with Hela.

But overall I was a very happy Hulk fan and can't wait to see him in IW.
 
My only disappointment was I thought he would be in the finale a bit more. The Debris fight was quite short. And I was hoping he would have a brief skirmish with Hela.
totally agree with this
Only seen it once & didnt get the end of some scenes. It seems they were cut:loco:

I wanted MOAR!
Mark is adorbs as usual/ (yep Im a biased Mark fan:ilv:)
Science bros are alive btw!!:drl:

dont read comics (only seen cartoons with more intelligent Hulk) & it was sooooooooo unusual to see Hulk with so much personality & talk!
 
Hulk was amazing, may he stay like this forever now.


I disagree.


I hope he keeps evolving and becomes more like Grey Hulk - as smart as Banner but still in Hulk form.

Hulk was one of the fan favourites from Avengers 1 and he is most definitely a fan favourite and highlight of Thor 3. To see how much he has evolved is such a joy. I am super pumped to see how Hulk continues to evolve over the next two movies!
 
It's a big step up from how we've seen Hulk in previous films.
 
He really could carry another solo movie now if they wanted to do so, whether he's more Hulk than Banner or not. CG costs aren't really much of an issue anymore after more recent flicks where mocap characters are front and center.
 
The only depiction I want to see in a solo Hulk movie is Mr. Joe Fix It.
 
I disagree.


I hope he keeps evolving and becomes more like Grey Hulk - as smart as Banner but still in Hulk form.

Hulk was one of the fan favourites from Avengers 1 and he is most definitely a fan favourite and highlight of Thor 3. To see how much he has evolved is such a joy. I am super pumped to see how Hulk continues to evolve over the next two movies!
I am sure his vocab will get better, but that really depends on Banner. Hulk was out for 2 years so he gained those abilities. I was talking about design too, I just liked his look a lot. The hair cut made a difference in his face .
 

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