The Israel-Palestine Politics Thread II

[DJ Kornphlake]

 

[Hobgoblin]

Anyone think Russia might have pushed Iran and Hezbollah to do this? We know that Iran and Russia are working together against Ukraine and that Iran controls Hezbollah. Maybe this is an attempt to distract us from Ukraine.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

No, I don't think the decades of Israel being an apartheid state and the violent occupation of the Palestinian people has anything to do with Russia.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Maybe there is more to it than that.

 

[Teelie]

The timing is not entirely coincidental IMO but I doubt Russia had a lot of influence either. Wars tend to be infectious and spread over time.

 

[squeekness]

These two have been at war since 1967. This is just another flare between people who will never reconcile. Ugly humanity at its worst.

 

[Sithborg]

I worry that the retaliation is going to be bad. Real bad.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Netanyahu has already said they’re cutting off electricity to Gaza, which is an absolute death sentence.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

 

[squeekness]

This could be as bad as Ukraine.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

This is exactly what far right leaders in Isreal want. Now they can unify Isreal behind a war effort with local dissidents being viewed as unpatriotic.

 

[squeekness]

With Ukraine, the bad guy is a little more defined than here. I can forsee an ending there. In Isreal I don't see an end at all, just an ebb and flow of hostilities.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

WSJ News Exclusive | Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gave the final go-ahead last Monday in Beirut.

www.wsj.com

CNN - US still seeking to determine Iran’s connection to Israel attack

Iran says attack on Israel is Palestinian 'self-defence'

Iran's foreign ministry said attacks by its ally Hamas on Israel on Saturday were an act of self-defence by Palestinians, and called on Muslim countries to support their rights.

www.reuters.com

September 2023:

Russia accuses US of promoting ties between Israel and Arabs before Israeli-Palestinian peace deal

Russia is accusing the United States of promoting Israel’s normalization of relations with Arab nations and circumventing an Arab initiative launched by Saudi Arabia in 2002, which calls for a settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before any diplomatic recognition of Israel.

apnews.com

Mossad chief vows to target Iran’s ‘highest echelon’ if Israelis, Jews hurt in terror

Barnea: Iran has stepped up terror worldwide; 27 attacks foiled in year; Israel will hit back 'in heart of Tehran'; Russia could send Iran arms 'that will endanger our existence’

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Russian hacker group "Killnet" declares cyberwar on Israel | Al Bawaba

ALBAWABA - the Russian hacker group known as "Killnet" has officially declared a cyberwar on Israel. The group announced its intention to launch a wides

www.albawaba.com

Israel supports Ukraine and Europe so Russia/Iran wants to go to war against Israel, first using their proxies like Hamas.

September 2023:

Germany and Israel sign an agreement for Berlin to buy a US-Israeli missile defense system

Germany and Israel have signed an agreement for Berlin to buy the sophisticated Arrow 3 missile defense system, designed to intercept long-range ballistic missiles.

apnews.com

Russia’s Lavrov meets with Hamas politburo chief Haniyeh in Moscow

Invitation to political leader of terror group comes amid deteriorating ties between Moscow and Jerusalem; two discuss smoothing over Palestinian rift with Fatah

www.timesofisrael.com

March 2023:

Hamas sent high-level delegation to Moscow at Russia’s invitation

A high-level Hamas delegation visited Moscow recently at the invitation of the Russian government, the Palestinian resistance group said on Tuesday. It made the announcement while highlighting its standing among...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

 

[squeekness]

Everyone picking sides. It's like we want World War III.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Hezbollah fires mortars at Israel; IDF strike hits tent on Lebanon border in response

Iran-backed terror group announces it targeted Israeli military sites in Mount Dov region in solidarity with Hamas attack on south; no reports of injuries

www.timesofisrael.com

US demands condemnation of Hamas at UN meeting, but Security Council takes no immediate action

The U.N. Security Council has held an emergency meeting behind closed doors with the United States demanding that all 15 members strongly condemn “these heinous terrorist attacks committed by Hamas.”

apnews.com

 

[Mani-Man]

With Ukraine, the bad guy is a little more defined than here. I can forsee an ending there. In Isreal I don't see an end at all, just an ebb and flow of hostilities.

Yeah, like in the last 12 hours i have seen people support one or the other being called the worst human beings ever.
With Ukraine you know that Russia is the clear bad guy here, even with all the lies and stuff.

But here...im personally so out of my depth on this that i dont even know how to react to it.
Like, i saw people getting torn apart for saying something as basic as "I just want everyone to be save and unharmed".

And if that is the case, a ending of the conflict is so very far away, farther than the Ukraine War.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[squeekness]

Yeah, like in the last 12 hours i have seen people support one or the other being called the worst human beings ever.
With Ukraine you know that Russia is the clear bad guy here, even with all the lies and stuff.

But here...im personally so out of my depth on this that i dont even know how to react to it.
Like, i saw people getting torn apart for saying something as basic as "I just want everyone to be save and unharmed".

And if that is the case, a ending of the conflict is so very far away, farther than the Ukraine War.

It really is, they've been at this since 1967 with atrocities on both sides. I tend to favor the Palestinians mainly because the Jewish rhetoric is they were promised the land by God and everyone else should just leave. But the Palestinians have been there since the Exile really, way before Jesus so I don't see why they can't just share. I don't know. It's so complicated I don't see a solution which is why they've been fighting for so long with no end in sight.

 

[Kon]

It really is, they've been at this since 1967 with atrocities on both sides. I tend to favor the Palestinians mainly because the Jewish rhetoric is they were promised the land by God and everyone else should just leave. But the Palestinians have been there since the Exile really, way before Jesus so I don't see why they can't just share. I don't know. It's so complicated I don't see a solution which is why they've been fighting for so long with no end in sight.

I've understood this disccusion about the first one in that land is a chicken-egg discussion, since both communities were there even before they have their current names.

Honestly, both believe they have absolute right to the land.

 

[squeekness]

I've understood this disccusion about the first one in that land is a chicken-egg discussion, since both communities were there even before they have their current names.

Honestly, both believe they have absolute right to the land.

Exactly. When both sides fight for their perceived homeland, there's little room for compromise.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Can anyone tell me what could be accomplished by declaring war?

Aside from justification for more atrocities and land acquisition.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

 

[squeekness]

Can anyone tell me what could be accomplished by declaring war?

Aside from justification for more atrocities and land acquisition.

Absolutely nothing, sadly.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You're no better than them if you target women, children and the elderly.

Dehumanizing your enemy is the quickest path to war crimes.