"The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 1

[The Endless]

The fact that Phoenix even entertained the possibility of making this film says a lot. He's picky as **** when it comes to roles. He's the only reason I'm entertaining the idea of this film.

 

[terry78]

And the fact that Todd Phillps is actually the one getting the right to work with him. Granted, War Dogs was pretty good but hes mostly known as the Hangover guy.

 

[Vaibow]

I just hope this is Dc's way of, not so much rebooting, but starting a new universe again.. it needs to be so subtle and respected.

This film comes out, if it's a success, they will want to continue either that style of solo movies and else worlds or they will want to explore that universe and tone.

 

[HBarnill]

Real Talk: I’m torned on this. On one hand, a film like this is absolutely unnecessary. The Joker works far better when he’s a mysterious character and any kind of origin to explain his madness would sully him. This could probably show us what he thinks was his origin a la The Killing Joke but given the director of this thought a film where a main character yells out “Doctor F****t” was comedy gold, I doubt they’ll go that direction. And a good cast is never always an indicator for quality.

But I do like the idea of a separate set of films that stand alone from the correct DC cinematic universe. It could potentially allow for more creative leeway for filmmakers who aren’t so concerned with connecting to a larger mythos and simply want to create their own worlds and stories that could be seen as their own. There are certain characters that couldn’t work in the current universe established, like The Spectre, who could really use some exposure. Heck, as much as she’s been overexposed, I wouldn’t even mind a stand-alone Catwoman film since there’s more to do with her than with the Joker, like in When in Rome. After her last stand alone, there’s no where to go but up.

So, yeah. The concept is cool but starting this off with a character that doesn’t work as a stand alone lead for the most part, I don’t know how to feel about this. I mean, all things considered, at least the Joker still exists in the current universe of DC films, whether we like that one or not. Venom, on the other hand, is a different situation entirely.

 

[MaceB]

Everything about this movie seems wrong and unnecessary EXCEPT for Joaquin Phoenix being interested in it. That's the only thing the movie has got going for it at this, IMO. And that's great, but why exactly would I trust that Joaquin's take on the Joker will be satisfactory? Is he a comic book fan? Does he care at all about the other DCEU movies? How do we know that this isn't going to be a self serving project where the actor gets to deliver some great scenes, even if they don't serve the character or the expanded Universe?

Seems like an unnecessary risk to me. Continue to work with Leto's Joker. Continue to develop the world forward. Explore Joker's origins in a "Killing Joke" adaptation or "Under the Red Hood" or whatever. This movie doesn't serve the ultimate goal of having an interconnected cinematic DC Universe.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Leto had his chance

Should they double down on him like they did with Snyder? No thanks

 

[Willi Berg]

Real Talk: I’m torned on this. On one hand, a film like this is absolutely unnecessary. The Joker works far better when he’s a mysterious character and any kind of origin to explain his madness would sully him. This could probably show us what he thinks was his origin a la The Killing Joke but given the director of this thought a film where a main character yells out “Doctor F****t” was comedy gold, I doubt they’ll go that direction. And a good cast is never always an indicator for quality.

I have doubts about the director too. I hope this story goes really dark. But I haven't seen that in the director's work much. Even something mostly serious like "War Dogs", his style tended to feel a bit superficial. I hope he really goes somewhere else with this, digs a bit deeper.

Everything about this movie seems wrong and unnecessary EXCEPT for Joaquin Phoenix being interested in it. That's the only thing the movie has got going for it at this, IMO. And that's great, but why exactly would I trust that Joaquin's take on the Joker will be satisfactory? Is he a comic book fan? Does he care at all about the other DCEU movies? How do we know that this isn't going to be a self serving project where the actor gets to deliver some great scenes, even if they don't serve the character or the expanded Universe?

I just hope it's a really great script and Joaquin responded to that, not just a chance to deliver a histrionic performance.

I hope it serves the character, a unique take on the character, but I am not expecting it to serve the greater DC universe.

 

[Greens]

Everything about this movie seems wrong and unnecessary EXCEPT for Joaquin Phoenix being interested in it. That's the only thing the movie has got going for it at this, IMO. And that's great, but why exactly would I trust that Joaquin's take on the Joker will be satisfactory? Is he a comic book fan? Does he care at all about the other DCEU movies? How do we know that this isn't going to be a self serving project where the actor gets to deliver some great scenes, even if they don't serve the character or the expanded Universe?

I don't know why any of this stuff matters. I could give a rat's ass if he cares about the DCEU or not. I wouldn't blame him if he didn't. He's an actor. He's going to go in and play the part. It doesn't matter what books he has or hasn't read. Most of the cast on Game of Thrones have never read a page of the GRRM books and they're doing just fine. Hell, this isn't even part of the DCEU so it's irrelevant.

Seems like an unnecessary risk to me. Continue to work with Leto's Joker. Continue to develop the world forward. Explore Joker's origins in a "Killing Joke" adaptation or "Under the Red Hood" or whatever. This movie doesn't serve the ultimate goal of having an interconnected cinematic DC Universe.

Leto's Joker was a disaster. WB is mitigating the risk by making this a low budget movie and not a bloated carnival attraction. And a world where every single thing has to serve an interconnected universe is a **** world to me. **** cinematic universes if it means that we can't have separate stories anymore.

 

[Sawyer]

I'd be willing to stake the claim that not one single person had a strong positive response to Leto's Joker, and a WHOLE lotta people definitely had a strong negative response to him. Gotta just move on and keep chugging along. I know there was word about a Leto movie, but the timing in relation to the Morbius announcement just strikes me as WB making a last ditch effort to grasp on to him before Marvel could get their hooks in, but honestly, they shouldn't even bother. I'm not 100% sold on this just yet, but the level of the enthusiasm that I've got is infinitely more than I'd have for another go-round with Leto.

 

[Micromind]

People have made up their mind on Leto, that's unfair. SS was not really a Joker movie to begin with, wonder why such negativity surrounds Leto's Joker when it was essentially a glorified guest role. Talk about mass over-reaction to the extreme.


Edit: If Leto's gone, this will be the first time fan reactions to a guest role are responsible for kicking out an actor from the franchise.

 

[hellblazer103]

I'd be willing to stake the claim that not one single person had a strong positive response to Leto's Joker

Oh, you'd be surprised. A majority hates him but there's some knuckleheads out there ....

People have made up their mind on Leto, that's unfair. SS was not really a Joker movie to begin with, wonder why such negativity surrounds Leto's Joker when it was essentially a glorified guest role. Talk about mass over-reaction to the extreme.

This isn't an original argument, but ;

Darth Vader had two scenes in Rogue One and it was ****ing AWESOME.

Letoker had several scenes and a weird music video where he was doing some kind of drug deal with Rick Ross and Skrillex and re enacting an iconic Titanic scene. We've seen more than enough, and it was really.... REEEALLY.... BAD.

....rrRAH....

HEH

....HEH

....HEH...

Edit: If Leto's gone, this will be the first time fan reactions to a guest role are responsible for kicking out an actor from the franchise.

Hmm.... Fan reactions to Jason Todd led to Jason Todd getting murdered.

Fan reactions to Leto's Joker got Leto fired.


Letoker is Jason Todd confirmed ?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I cringed in almost every Leto Joker scene in Suicide Squad. It was horrific in every way. I'm not opposed to another chance, but I'd prefer it if WB just move on.

 

[Vaibow]

Leto Joker to me, really felt like a criminal being inspired by the joker and trying to be like him, whilst doped up on every drug going.

Ledger's joker felt organic, dirty, absent minded yet smart...

Nicholson's joker was the bar setter for me, but if i went back to it and viewed it now for the first time, i would hold it above leto at least.

Phoenix i feel, from his past work and based on the source material of years of comics, can give us a mixture of ledger and Nicholson from the shinning.

 

[I Am The Knight]

People have made up their mind on Leto, that's unfair. SS was not really a Joker movie to begin with, wonder why such negativity surrounds Leto's Joker when it was essentially a glorified guest role. Talk about mass over-reaction to the extreme.

Ok...And? He was awful in pretty much all of his scenes, imagine a whole movie with him? No, no, NO.

And this seems to be a Leto thing, as he also brought the excellent Blade Runner sequel to a screeching halt whenever his character appeared.

 

[The Joker]

People have made up their mind on Leto, that's unfair. SS was not really a Joker movie to begin with, wonder why such negativity surrounds Leto's Joker when it was essentially a glorified guest role. Talk about mass over-reaction to the extreme.


Edit: If Leto's gone, this will be the first time fan reactions to a guest role are responsible for kicking out an actor from the franchise.

Quality over quantity. It didn't need to be a Joker centric movie to show audiences what the characterization is like. If he couldn't sell himself at all in SS, in fact he did the opposite and put people off him altogether, then the writing is on the wall.

 

[Flint Marko]

It’s been 3 years and I still can’t get over the Damaged tattoo.

 

[WhoMani]

I still don't know what Leto was trying to do with The Joker. His Joker was basically a love puppy.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I bet he’s a little embarrassed by how “method” he went for a role that was so poorly received. The stuff he did was pretty damn cringe and honestly had very little to do with Joker, and only to do with his misunderstanding of what the character is.

 

[MaceB]

In the right hands, I feel comfortable saying that Leto has a good Joker in him. Redesign the character a bit, iron out some of the choices in his performance, and I think it could be workable.

 

[Vaibow]

I bet he’s a little embarrassed by how “method” he went for a role that was so poorly received. The stuff he did was pretty damn cringe and honestly had very little to do with Joker, and only to do with his misunderstanding of what the character is.

I heard there was a load cut, if so, maybe if we saw the whole of his work, it may make more sense, he may be darker, more evil than what we saw, but yeah, i was expecting to be scared of his joker, like genuinely creeped out - i was just annoyed with what i saw.

Also, now you mention it, his 'method' was a bit predictable.

 

[Jekecy]

In the right hands, I feel comfortable saying that Leto has a good Joker in him.

Take out Leto/Joker, and you can interchange this with so many DCEU actors. It's so pitiful.

 

[Flint Marko]

I bet he’s a little embarrassed by how “method” he went for a role that was so poorly received. The stuff he did was pretty damn cringe and honestly had very little to do with Joker, and only to do with his misunderstanding of what the character is.

He talked endlessly about how crazy he was while filming and then had the gall to attack the press once he realized it made him look like a tool. He claimed the condom thing was made up by the media but he was the one who went around talking about it non-stop.

 

[Micromind]

Quality over quantity. It didn't need to be a Joker centric movie to show audiences what the characterization is like. If he couldn't sell himself at all in SS, in fact he did the opposite and put people off him altogether, then the writing is on the wall.

It’s been 3 years and I still can’t get over the Damaged tattoo.

I still don't know what Leto was trying to do with The Joker. His Joker was basically a love puppy.

Blaming actor for characterization and make-up ? Blame writer and director for that, blame David Ayer not Leto.

 

[Flint Marko]

Blaming actor for characterization and make-up ? Blame writer and director for that, blame David Ayer not Leto.

I didn't blame Leto for the damaged tattoo.

 

[Micromind]

He talked endlessly about how crazy he was while filming and then had the gall to attack the press once he realized it made him look like a tool. He claimed the condom thing was made up by the media but he was the one who went around talking about it non-stop.

That was not a part of the movie, so it hardly matters while evaluating the movie.