The Joker Thread - Part 1

I can see the finale scene of the Batman, in Arkham, with Hugo Strange talking with Gordon, telling him how his patients are obsessed by the bat, adding there are more crazy people since Batman exists. Teasing a sequel adapting Arkham Asylum.

Arkham Asylum from the great Grant Morrison is one of the Batman classic storyline who has never been adapted in movie. I can see the sequel taking inspiration from this one, mixed with Prey (and so Hugo Strange as the villain). A behind close door movie who question Batman sanity and morality. We could see the joker of Joaquin Phoenix a lot more chaotic (we never adress what was real in his movie, maybe he was the instigator of the insurrection, maybe it was in his head... (The death of the Wayne was the only real part because it was from Bruce POV) Maybe he was 20 at this time), used as a pawn by Strange.
 
marvelboy10 said:
I can see the finale scene of the Batman, in Arkham, with Hugo Strange talking with Gordon, telling him how his patients are obsessed by the bat, adding there are more crazy people since Batman exists. Teasing a sequel adapting Arkham Asylum.

Arkham Asylum from the great Grant Morrison is one of the Batman classic storyline who has never been adapted in movie. I can see the sequel taking inspiration from this one, mixed with Prey (and so Hugo Strange as the villain). A behind close door movie who question Batman sanity and morality. We could see the joker of Joaquin Phoenix a lot more chaotic (we never adress what was real in his movie, maybe he was the instigator of the insurrection, maybe it was in his head... (The death of the Wayne was the only real part because it was from Bruce POV) Maybe he was 20 at this time), used as a pawn by Strange.
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I'm not THAT enthusiastic about The Joker being used as a pawn unless he screws them over later on for underestimating him
 
OutOfBoose said:
I'm surprised people still need more Joker after TDK and Joker solo...
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TDK was twelve years ago and Joker was a man named Arthur Fleck who’s The Joker for like ten minutes at the end of the movie.

Plus doing a Batman trilogy without including The Joker at some point is like Superman with no Luthor. He doesn’t have to be in this movie, but if Reeves is doing a full trilogy, it’d feel weird to have The Joker entirely absent.
 
Schlosser85 said:
TDK was twelve years ago and Joker was a man named Arthur Fleck who’s The Joker for like ten minutes at the end of the movie.

Plus doing a Batman trilogy without including The Joker at some point is like Superman with no Luthor. He doesn’t have to be in this movie, but if Reeves is doing a full trilogy, it’d feel weird to have The Joker entirely absent.
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I'd prefer it to be something less obligatory (because he's Joker!) and more creative, fresh. Basic confrontation was done twice. We also have an experimental solo now. It needs to be something else. I'd want Harley and Joker done justice (like Arkham centered story with Harley helping Joker escape), but I feel this idea was botched by SS and BoP.
 
Leto is difficult to work with, his Joker was a failure even to the point where Birds of Prey tries to reference him without showing his design or face. He will never play this character again.
 
Joaquin gave a great performance. He's a superb actor. But Arthur Fleck is not the Joker. He's a generic mad man who put on clown makeup to sell more tickets to a movie no one would have seen otherwise.
 
OutOfBoose said:
I'm surprised people still need more Joker after TDK and Joker solo...
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I mean if you think about it, we haven’t had a proper Joker Vs Batman movie in over a decade. While Jokers shadow has loomed due to his presence in video games, Tv shows and Leto in Squad, we haven’t actually seen them clash in a long time.
 
Jig96v said:
Joaquin gave a great performance. He's a superb actor. But Arthur Fleck is not the Joker. He's a generic mad man who put on clown makeup to sell more tickets to a movie no one would have seen otherwise.
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Ridiculous. Clown by day, failed stand up comedian by night. Becomes the Joker, causes chaos in Gotham City. But sure, he’s just a brand new character and they wanted to sell tickets.
 
Arthur Fleck/Joker is one of my favourite movie villains of all time. I watch Joker and can only marvel at the evolution from Arthur Fleck to Joker. It's exhilarating to watch those scenes on Murray Franklin's talk show and realise Arthur's still in the process of becoming the clown prince of crime. I'd be saddened if we never saw more of him as the fully formed villain.
 
I hope Reeves merely mentions a past incident with The Joker or have Gordon give an off-hand comment about a clown committing crimes to tease it for a sequel/trilogy.
 
shauner111 said:
Ridiculous. Clown by day, failed stand up comedian by night. Becomes the Joker, causes chaos in Gotham City. But sure, he’s just a brand new character and they wanted to sell tickets.
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The filmmaker himself is pretty upfront about it:

“I literally described to Joaquin at one point in those three months as like, ‘Look at this as a way to sneak a real movie in the studio system under the guise of a comic book film’. It wasn’t, ‘We want to glorify this behavior.’ It was literally like ‘Let’s make a real movie with a real budget and we’ll call it f–ing Joker’. That’s what it was.” - Todd Phillips

'Joker' Director Todd Phillips Rebuffs Criticism of Dark Tone (Exclusive)
 
Jig96v said:
The filmmaker himself is pretty upfront about it:

“I literally described to Joaquin at one point in those three months as like, ‘Look at this as a way to sneak a real movie in the studio system under the guise of a comic book film’. It wasn’t, ‘We want to glorify this behavior.’ It was literally like ‘Let’s make a real movie with a real budget and we’ll call it f–ing Joker’. That’s what it was.” - Todd Phillips

'Joker' Director Todd Phillips Rebuffs Criticism of Dark Tone (Exclusive)
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It's still Joker.
 
I get that but it’s still the character, in a dirty Gotham that goes beyond NYC in the early 80’s. It’s that but on steroids. The Wayne’s factor into the plot, heavily. Alfred and Bruce are in the movie. There are things that are experimental where you could say “this isn’t the definitive Joker” (whatever that means). But there are also elements to his characterization that are closer to the source material than Nicholson or Ledger or Leto.

So it’s just as valid. It’s the Joker and it’s his origin story. Just say you didn’t like it or it wasn’t your ideal version of Mr J.
 
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