Justice League The Joss Whedon Thread

[ManWithNoName18]

I still think the guy must have done something either shady or unpleasant or there were some behind the scenes shouting matches and God knows what and between who. The cast completely ignoring him on every. single. occasion. isn't just about their protest against WB's decision to mess up Snyder's work. This isn't Whedon's fault, if he was brought in to do something and did it, the cast would have no reason to hold it against the guy and personally blame him and dislike him. So he must have done something to these people whom I noticed, other than Affleck, to be really gracious and thoughtful towards cast and crew.

It's like on the camp when they fire cool guy leading it, bring in a new one and he is an *******

Theory/rumor someone on Reddit proposed is that part of Whedon's duties included adding humor, and making the movie under two hours.

When it came time to cut things, Whedon decided to cut stuff mainly from Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash as seen in the deleted scenes. This lead to thier respective actors being upset that some scenes didn't make it in. Also rumor is Gal didn't like the boob gag.

 

[_Superman_]

Don't forget he cut the GL's out of the movie as well.

 

[C. Lee]

In hindsight, he absolutely should have. I 110% agree that WB needs to get the blame for chopping this up and making a mess of it. Having said that, the sex jokes and stupid inserts were still Joss. He's not entirely blameless and is not going to get a free pass.

So....you really think that someone should turn down millions of dollars because some guys on a comic book fan site don't want someone who worked on Marvel films working on DC ones?

Whedon was hailed a savior the moment it was announced that he's stepping in to finish the movie. "You can disagree all you like Snyder bros, but Whedon is the director now!" , "OMG, my excitement just went through the roof!" etc. Did their best to take any credit away from Snyder. Unfortunately for them, you can tell apart every new and reshot scene and the majority of them are horrendous. So if he was going to take all the credit if this turned out to be "RT Fresh", he sure as hell is taking blame for final product as well.

So....it's his fault that people who liked him were glad to hear he was coming to the project?

No, but he didn't need to redo more than half the film making it a hackjob and knowing that 3,5 months wasn't enough for the heavy CGI work needed on Superman. He didn't just write or film some new replacement stuff he completely changed the movie with only a few months before it's release.

How do you know he didn't need to redo so much? Does anyone on here really know what Snyder did before him and what all he did when he came on board? Did Whedon hijack the actors and the sets and made up whatever he wanted without the approval of the heads of the WB?

 

[Reel-Man]

It's called artist integrity C. Lee. Some people have it, others are all about the money.

 

[C. Lee]

It's called artist integrity C. Lee. Some people have it, others are all about the money.

Artist integrity is not doing something offensive or against your principals.....I don't think it covers not upsetting comic book fans who get a little too serious in their DC vs MARVEL wars.

 

[idiot09]

I dont blame Whedon on sabotaging this film, that's on WB. I blame Whedon for some of his dialogue, his cinematography, and for bringing on Elfman, and some of his editorial choices.

But credit where its due, I really like how Whedon handled the team dynamic. I dont know if Snyder did it better/worse, but Whedon's team scenes were good, and actually better than Avengers imo.

 

[Reel-Man]

Artist integrity is not doing something offensive or against your principals.....I don't think it covers not upsetting comic book fans who get a little too serious in their DC vs MARVEL wars.

It also covers not touching another artist's work for your own benefit. Joss has everything to gain from this including money and making his friends at WB happy so he can keep the Batgirl gig. The last part is my assumption but I'd be surprised if it didn't have a play in this.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I know there are a couple people on r/dceuleaks saying what exactly was Snyder and what was Whedon

but are they verified or at least reputable?

I have trouble believing stuff from Grace Randolph

Connor weighed in on the matter more in a general sense. And I put am as someone worth listening to

Right know people seem really sure about "what was Snyder and what was Whedon"

 

[Angel0fDeath]

So....it's his fault that people who liked him were glad to hear he was coming to the project?

No, that's not what I said at all. I said If he was to take credit for a potential success of the film, then he should also take blame for a failure. Isn't that fair ?

Anyway, my problem is with the studio execs, Nelson, Johns and Berg.

Good point about the artist integrity, though. Surely he as a director wouldn't want someone else to **** around with his movie.

 

[Reel-Man]

I know there are a couple people on r/dceuleaks saying what exactly was Snyder and what was Whedon

but are they verified or at least reputable?

I have trouble believing stuff from Grace Randolph

Connor weighed in on the matter more in a general sense. And I put am as someone worth listening to

Right know people seem really sure about "what was Snyder and what was Whedon"

Most of us are going by the VFX people's stories. I haven't watched Grace's video and also know there's two fake lists being circulated as well.

 

[C. Lee]

I dont blame Whedon on sabotaging this film, that's on WB.

That's the point I'm trying to make. You can dislike what Whedon did to your heart's content......but saying that he is to blame for the movies failure is just wrong. The blame is on who had the power to say yes or no to what was done.

 

[Predator jp]

WB would've brought in someone else had Joss turned them down.

 

[FunkMiller]

That's the point I'm trying to make. You can dislike what Whedon did to your heart's content......but saying that he is to blame for the movies failure is just wrong. The blame is on who had the power to say yes or no to what was done.

From 2013 onwards.

 

[chintai80]

I dont blame Whedon on sabotaging this film, that's on WB. I blame Whedon for some of his dialogue, his cinematography, and for bringing on Elfman, and some of his editorial choices.

But credit where its due, I really like how Whedon handled the team dynamic. I dont know if Snyder did it better/worse, but Whedon's team scenes were good, and actually better than Avengers imo.

^ agreed with all this.
i'm probably repeating myself - but the Avengers might have the better movie - but Justice League has the better team dynamic. each of them was cool in their own way!

 

[chintai80]

From 2013 onwards.

sh**!

 

[Flint Marko]

The blame should go towards those who created this mess, not the guy who tried to clean it up. It's simple.

 

[JOE]

So....apparently many think that Whedon should have turned down the job. I mean....so many say - "It was Whedon's fault...."......uhhh, in my view.....it is the fault of the guy in charge who said get rid of this stuff and write/film some new replacement stuff. Whedon just did what he was contracted to do. As far as we are aware....Whedon didn't suddenly become the head of the WB and decide to take over JL.

Thank you!

He didn't show up and ask to take over, they asked him to help. They must have had some sort of vision in their head of what they wanted as far as adjustments to Snyder's cut. They didn't just give him everything and say, "fix it" or "make it funnier". Whedon followed WB's guidelines with his own "Whedon" touch. Yet he still gets s**t on for Zack's initial cut. It's not like he's going to reshoot the entire movie. Rumors were going around that he altered 15-20%

Call a spade a spade, it's Snyder's film, and WB's mistake.

 

[_Superman_]

Thank you!

He didn't show up and ask to take over, they asked him to help. They must have had some sort of vision in their head of what they wanted as far as adjustments to Snyder's cut. They didn't just give him everything and say, "fix it" or "make it funnier". Whedon followed WB's guidelines with his own "Whedon" touch. Yet he still gets s**t on for Zack's initial cut. It's not like he's going to reshoot the entire movie. Rumors were going around that he altered 15-20%

Call a spade a spade, it's Snyder's film, and WB's mistake.

Rumors were he altered more than 15%.

 

[JOE]

Rumors were he altered more than 15%.

We'll probably never have the real number, I just remember reading somewhere 15-20.

I believe that if Joss had been given the film from the beginning the outcome would have been totally different. It's not his movie.

Remember a few weeks ago when the word was that this movie was great? I remember people in here whining that "Oh, Joss is probably going to take credit now for Snyder's brilliance." Yet here we are on the other end of the spectrum.

 

[2kt09]

Rumors were he altered more than 15%.

And ~95% of the Superman you see is what Whedon reshot.

 

[_Superman_]

We'll probably never have the real number, I just remember reading somewhere 15-20.

I believe that if Joss had been given the film from the beginning the outcome would have been totally different. It's not his movie.

Remember a few weeks ago when the word was that this movie was great? I remember people in here whining that "Oh, Joss is probably going to take credit now for Snyder's brilliance." Yet here we are on the other end of the spectrum.

Rumors had it that he reshoot so much of the film that he might get director's credit which is more than 15-20%

 

[Angel0fDeath]

We'll probably never have the real number, I just remember reading somewhere 15-20.

I believe that if Joss had been given the film from the beginning the outcome would have been totally different. It's not his movie.

Remember a few weeks ago when the word was that this movie was great? I remember people in here whining that "Oh, Joss is probably going to take credit now for Snyder's brilliance." Yet here we are on the other end of the spectrum.

Ah, the smell of hypocrisy. Seems to be a common thing with MCU fans.

 

[_Superman_]

And ~95% of the Superman you see is what Whedon reshot.

Which didn't need to be reshot. However it is what it is.

 

[boocherhix]

There were two funny moments. When Superman saw the Flash, and when Aquaman had the lasso

I might be the only human that laughed out loud at Barry's "Dostoyevsky!" line.

 

[JOE]

Ah, the smell of hypocrisy. Seems to be a common thing with MCU fans.

Edit: How am I being a hypocrite? Would love to know your thoughts on the matter if you're going to call me out.