Justice League The Joss Whedon Thread

[chintai80]

i feel joss brought good things to JL - some of the character/dialogue moments were good. most of the humor worked for me.

where i feel he didn't do good was mostly in the final battle of the movie - too much forced humor.
why's superman making quips or jokes when the world's on the verge of being destroyed and many people are gonna die?
seems to be cheap, lazy pandering to an audience who wants a "happy" superman.

plus the bad cgi with the terraforming stuff too. the movie looked cheaper than MoS and BvS at that point.

i liked, maybe even loved, alot of things in the first 2/3rd's of the movie - and i think both snyder/whedon worked well there.

whedon bringing on elfman to do the soundtrack was bad too. yuck.

 

[Predator jp]

if you wanna blame someone blame WB.
WB hired both Zack and Joss. they just did thier jobs.

 

[Reel-Man]

if you wanna blame someone blame WB.
WB hired both Zack and Joss. they just did thier jobs.

Exactly. That and Geoff Johns.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I liked the added levity to the movie,

but I think the real thing that hurt JL was the run time. More character moments where needed.

By the sounds of it when time came to start cutting stuff Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg had some of there character stuff cut. Meanwhile the Trinity either kept there scenes, or had them changed.

 

[chintai80]

if you wanna blame someone blame WB.
WB hired both Zack and Joss. they just did thier jobs.

yup. also, whedon was brought on very last minute - with an upcoming deadline of Nov 17.

i'm sure if he was given more time - the movie would've been more refined.
you can tell lot of it was full of last minute patch-ups.

wb/tsujihara made lot of bad decisions from up top.

it's a decent fun movie to me - but u can tell there's a great movie buried underneath somewhere in there.

i'm still interested in seeing what the zack snyder cut looked like - the one he previewed to his friends/family.

 

[SilverBatarangs]

Overall, I blame the studio for any negative issue regarding this film.
Too much interference is what hurt Justice League as it did with BvS.
I believe that Snyder & Whedon are very capable directors with a vision.

 

[Reel-Man]

Am I the only one here that thinks this was WB's way to test/audition Joss for the Batgirl gig?

 

[Greens]

Am I the only one here that thinks this was WB's way to test/audition Joss for the Batgirl gig?

Why would they have to test him? The man wrote and directed The Avengers.

 

[harlequinade]

Am I the only one here that thinks this was WB's way to test/audition Joss for the Batgirl gig?

Well it went great, didn't it

 

[Reel-Man]

Well it went great, didn't it

Fantastic! t:

 

[Arachnerd]

It's not like he even had the proper time to do the reshoots.

 

[chintai80]

yea i think whedon was brought on too late to the process.

avengers movies showed whedon can make good cbm's.

the shoddy cgi at the end of the third act is evidence they rushed thru to finish the final part of the movie.

did snyder even film anything of the 3rd act or final battle? seems like it was all whedon.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Was Whedon's heart even in this given the mandates he was asked to abide by is my question? He's an immense talent but being under the gun like this with constraints of time and being asked to shift a titanic production... Was he in the right place to be able to go all in and deliver his best under those circumstances?

 

[JOE]

The 3 Snyder Superman scenes were also the best in my book.
"But at the test screening atleast, the audience responded to his humour and quips so they were kept " This makes me really angry. A few laughs en ooows, don't make a grat movie. They're cheap tricks.



Whedon redid almost all Superman scenes only 4 months before it's release. Cavil wore a mustache and because of that the CGI budget was shot and quipped with a brutal time limit. And frankly to me, most added Superman scenes were ********. (The cellphone footage and his first outing again as Sueprman) Als the woman on TV scene added absolutely zero...Whedon and WB killed the movie, almost with intent.

WB and Whedon killed the movie, right. Snyder had nothing to do with it. SMH.

 

[2kt09]

Was Whedon's heart even in this given the mandates he was asked to abide by is my question? He's an immense talent but being under the gun like this with constraints of time and being asked to shift a titanic production... Was he in the right place to be able to go all in and deliver his best under those circumstances?

Should've called in David Ayer.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

WB and Whedon killed the movie, right. Snyder had nothing to do with it. SMH.

Look at the material people really liked, the Supes vs. JL scene, the Amazon battle, the history lesson stuff... That was Snyder. Now the stuff that people are luke warm about or has people scratching their heads? It seems that's reshoot material. So... Yeah there's finger pointing at the folks behind those elements in the film, though I think Joss was handed terrible circumstances to work under.

 

[JOE]

Look at the material people really liked, the Supes vs. JL scene, the Amazon battle, the history lesson stuff... That was Snyder. Now the stuff that people are luke warm about or has people scratching their heads? It seems that's reshoot material. So... Yeah there's finger pointing at the folks behind those elements in the film, though I think Joss was handed terrible circumstances to work under.

He was giving a hot steamy pile and was told to make it into gold. He’s proved he knows how to handle characters and a storyline. Had it been Joss from the beginning it would have been a lot different. That’s on WB for giving Snyder the keys.

 

[flickchick85]

Look at the material people really liked, the Supes vs. JL scene, the Amazon battle, the history lesson stuff... That was Snyder. Now the stuff that people are luke warm about or has people scratching their heads? It seems that's reshoot material. So... Yeah there's finger pointing at the folks behind those elements in the film, though I think Joss was handed terrible circumstances to work under.

I agree, but you're conveniently skipping the stuff YOU didn't like. Superman's personality, the character interactions, humor. Those are getting praise too, and those were Whedon. I think they both brought good stuff to the table, but were crushed together by the studio instead of actually fitting together, and were not given the time to make it work better.

 

[Samuron]

He was giving a hot steamy pile and was told to make it into gold. He’s proved he knows how to handle characters and a storyline. Had it been Joss from the beginning it would have been a lot different. That’s on WB for giving Snyder the keys.

Exactly; you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I agree, but you're conveniently skipping the stuff YOU didn't like. Superman's personality, the character interactions, humor. Those are getting praise too, and those were Whedon. I think they both brought good stuff to the table, but were crushed together by the studio instead of actually fitting together, and were not given the time to make it work better.

I think Supes personality is something lots are split on of you go through these threads. Some are happy but you can find plenty that feel less than pleased to say the least. The final battle was totally reshot by Joss and few are praising that. I liked the character interaction fine but it seems to be the one thing that was halfway successfully executed. I am far from the only one that looks at the leaks of VFX and the likely but unconfirmed leaks and see the seeds for a richer and more impressive film, which predates Joss taking over.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I agree, but you're conveniently skipping the stuff YOU didn't like. Superman's personality, the character interactions, humor. Those are getting praise too, and those were Whedon. I think they both brought good stuff to the table, but were crushed together by the studio instead of actually fitting together, and were not given the time to make it work better.

Some were hoping that Snyder + Whedon would be the best of both worlds, great visuals + great dialogue.

But I think there styles don't mix well

 

[flickchick85]

I think Supes personality is something lots are split on of you go through these threads. Some are happy but you can find plenty that feel less than pleased to say the least. The final battle was totally reshot by Joss and few are praising that. I liked the character interaction fine but it seems to be the one thing that was halfway successfully executed. I am far from the only one that looks at the leaks of VFX and the likely but unconfirmed leaks and see the seeds for a richer and more impressive film, which predates Joss taking over.

Yes, the same people complaining about Superman are the ones who liked the DCEU version before. But I'm seeing a lot more praise than complaints. Here and elsewhere. And lots of people are seeing that VFX stuff and going "meh." But whatever, to each their own. At least we can agree the final product is a frustrating mix of unfulfilled potential. We just disagree where that potential was. I think each director could've produced films that would have been embraced by A side of the fandom, but neither would have made one embraced by the vast majority, because the fandom is SO divided now on what they want.

For my part, I almost certainly would NOT have enjoyed Zack Snyder's untouched Justice League - I've seen enough of his films and his Superman to know that much, and based on what I've read of who did what, most of what I liked was Whedon's. As such, I might have enjoyed Whedon's Justice League, if he had different aesthetics and different foundations to work with, but I'll never know. Either way, I'm just happy I was able to enjoy this one somewhat.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Whedon pretty much did what he could. I wouldn't be surprised if he accepted what he saw and tried to do his best with those very limited confines. If he realized the only way this could be fixed was to make it feel like an episode of a cartoon show, then that's what happened and they pulled it off. But I'll take this over whatever off putting nightmare vision Snyder had. Whedon did something Snyder and SS couldn't. Actually make me like and understand the characters. For that I thank him.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Exactly; you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

Take a bucket of p!$$ and call it Granny's Peach Tea. The GA's not going to drink it.

 

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