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I dont think thats necessarily true Harle. I think good actors are always going to be attracted to DC movies with scripts that interest them. Theres still lots of A list talent attached to the DCEU and although it hasnt lived up to its potential like Marvel has, theyve all (besides JL) been commercially successful movies. They also havent been close to Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Superman Returns, Green Lantern level disasters. If the DCEU was pumping out those kinds of movies left and right then yes, I'd agree, no one would wanna touch DC.
Superman Returns doesn't belong in that list IMO. It wasn't a disaster and for it's time did alright at the box office out preforming all of Marvel's phase one movies expect for Iron Man and out preformed Batman Begins. It also did well with the critics however was received by the fans with mix opinions liked MOS, SvB were. So I wouldn't call that movie a disaster.
SR also had a much higher budget than the phase 1 Marvel films, especially once inflation is factored in. So, it making around the same amount of money as those movies isn't really the same.
But it wasn't a disaster. It did alright box office wise and made it's movie back and made a profit. Just not as much as the WB was looking for. It also was fairly liked by the critics and GA and that is saying something for a superhero movie with hardly any action. I still say if they threw a villain into that movie for Superman to fight as well it would've done much better.
budget was 180 (according to Singer). Then you after that you add on close to another 100 million for all the other Superman movies budgets (including Burton's Superman and Abrams Superman both which were deep into production.I know the budget is skewed because it factors in other projects, so let's call the production budget 200 mil for SR (it is listed at 270, but again...accounting factors in other Superman projects). When it comes to BO, rule of thumb is it needs to make twice the production budget to earn profit. SR only made $391,081,192 in WW BO. Therefore, it fell short of that rule. That 200mil I project also doesn't factor in the marketing costs. So, WB would have lost money on SR based on ticket sales. That's not a good performance for a movie on that budget.
budget was 180. Then you after that you add on close to another 100 million for all the other Superman movies budgets (including Burton's Superman and Abrams Superman both which were deep into production.
But it wasn't a disaster and many elements of Superman Returns is still used today even in the comics. It also has given us what many would say the best superhero moment on screen with the plane rescue.Once marketing is factored in, then it was probably close to $250mil (based on the $180 figure). Again, that is basically breaking even (give or take a few mil either way). On a Superman film, you want to see that turn into profit.
I dont think thats necessarily true Harle. I think good actors are always going to be attracted to DC movies with scripts that interest them. Theres still lots of A list talent attached to the DCEU and although it hasnt lived up to its potential like Marvel has, theyve all (besides JL) been commercially successful movies. They also havent been close to Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Superman Returns, Green Lantern level disasters. If the DCEU was pumping out those kinds of movies left and right then yes, I'd agree, no one would wanna touch DC.
But it wasn't a disaster and many elements of Superman Returns is still used today even in the comics. It also has given us what many would say the best superhero moment on screen with the plane rescue.
Disaster is a strong word, but I think disappointment is very appropriate.
I hated Superman Returns myself, but I am just examining the BO in this case.
While I agree with most of your post, Superman Returns is not what I call as a 'disaster', hell.. they were still thinking of making a sequel to it but changed their minds after Bryan Singer's pitch for the sequel didn't impress the powers to be.
Disaster is a strong word, but I think disappointment is very appropriate.
I hated Superman Returns myself, but I am just examining the BO in this case.
No what stopped the sequel was Justice League: Mortal. Hell, that movie almost stopped The Dark Knight Rises. Because WB wanted Singers movie to lead into Justice League with Routh and Bale and for the most part use that sequel option in Bale's contract for that movie. When both Bale and Nolan said no to that JL:M came about where they were going to use that movie as a starting point for all the other heroes and a reboot as sort as well. However Nolan's TDK did great and Inception did great as well that plans changed.
Valkyrie played a part too because it was supposed to have been a short project that turned into something much bigger and the WB felt disrespected and rightfully so when he had no contact with them and didn't tell them that production on the movie is going to start later than planned. But the original script for Mortal or their JL movie was centered around Routh's and Bale's Superman and Batman however when getting Bale onboard fell through they wanted to reboot the whole thing with Mortal that way beating Marvel to the punch with Avengers and getting their shared world too.I don't know what JLM has to do with anything. All I know is Singer did make his pitch with storyboards to WB Exces and they rejected it, it was after Singer had completed his World War 2 movie, Valkyrie (and after Writer's strike was over).
I dont think thats necessarily true Harle. I think good actors are always going to be attracted to DC movies with scripts that interest them. Theres still lots of A list talent attached to the DCEU and although it hasnt lived up to its potential like Marvel has, theyve all (besides JL) been commercially successful movies. They also havent been close to Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Superman Returns, Green Lantern level disasters. If the DCEU was pumping out those kinds of movies left and right then yes, I'd agree, no one would wanna touch DC.
Yeah once big name directors are involved, A list actors will follow. Admittedly, for Marvel, even when they hire not so famous directors, they still attract A list actors.
Yeah once big name directors are involved, A list actors will follow. Admittedly, for Marvel, even when they hire not so famous directors, they still attract A list actors.