Justice League The Justice League General & Speculation Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 50

[Aurakles]

Technically the JSA came first, but your point stands.

 

[Herolee10]

Kinda remarkable how...."alive" conversation about this movie is more than a year after it's release. Not just on the forums but the geek media seems to still be thriving on "Snyder Cut" articles whenever a new tidbit pops up. Which, by the way, seems to just keep coming and coming every time we think it's died down. Last week it was the Kevin Smith info, the week before it was that guy from the test screenings. I've never seen any film that just refuses to be forgotten like this one.

Agreed.

You know, I was actually talking about this with one of my friends and it just kind of hit us on how Aquaman's success is kind of a double edged sword for the DCEU.

Why? On one hand, Aquaman being successful means that the studio will become invested in making more solo films for other heroes.

However, the bad news is that because of the film's success, this means that we won't be seeing another Justice League film for potentially 10 years since the studio will want to milk out the success in the solo films for the likes of Wonder Woman and Aquaman for as long as possible.

When all is said and done, most of our Justice League members (the ones that aren't officially confirmed to be gone from their roles) will be in their early 40's and probably want to move onto other projects, thus Warner Bros will have to find new actors to portray those characters for the next Justice League film.

You know, the frustrating thing about this is reading quotes from executives like Kevin on how they only want to focus on standalone films now since they realized that group films don't work for them when it's because of executives like him that ruined Justice League in the first place by releasing an unfinished film just so that he could make his annual bonus while using Snyder's tragedy as an excuse to fire him from the project.

 

[BH/HHH]

The reason we won’t be seeing another JL for so long is more down to how the last one flopped not Aquaman’s success. If JL is a smash hit then it gets a sequel regardless.

 

[flickchick85]

Let's be real, JL's sequel was cancelled before Aquaman ever came out. They weren't about to try that again anytime soon regardless.

Aquaman's success isn't a double-edged sword for anybody (except people who hated it I guess, lol). It's a win DC desperately needed, WHEN they needed it, it was a good step toward showing WB where they'd gone wrong with the characters previously, and it did so with the biggest "joke" character of the Justice League, telling them no character is off the table or can't make money if you put them in a movie that people enjoy.

 

[Micromind]

You know, the frustrating thing about this is reading quotes from executives like Kevin on how they only want to focus on standalone films now since they realized that group films don't work for them when it's because of executives like him that ruined Justice League in the first place by releasing an unfinished film just so that he could make his annual bonus while using Snyder's tragedy as an excuse to fire him from the project.

KT knows that he has no justification to make another 250 mil. Justice League sequel. He sabotaged it but doesn't want to admit that, instead of being honest, he is spinning it into a narrative that JL team-up movie doesn't work.

Having said that, only a team-up movie has the potential to make 2 bil. at Box Office, if they do everything right leading up to that movie, so I doubt that executives at parent company Warnermedia will let go of that idea entriely.

 

[Herolee10]

KT knows that he has no justification to make another 250 mil. Justice League sequel. He sabotaged it but doesn't want to admit that, instead of being honest, he is spinning it into a narrative that JL team-up movie doesn't work.

Having said that, only a team-up movie has the potential to make 2 bil. at Box Office, if they do everything right leading up to that movie, so I doubt that executives at parent company Warnermedia will let go of that idea entriely.

Yeah, well it's pretty pathetic that the studio has to openly admit that they aren't capable of making ensemble films anymore and are sticking to standalone films now. They have all of these icons at their disposals but don't have the slightest idea on how to bring them together.

Really, what's the point of calling this a "universe" anymore when these characters won't be interacting with each other ever again (at least not the versions that are currently being portrayed now).

Meanwhile, Marvel Studios is showing everyone that it actually is possible to make both great standalone films and ensemble films featuring a cast of several larger than life heroes.

 

[BH/HHH]

My word man I’ve never known anyone so negative

 

[Iceman]

KT knows that he has no justification to make another 250 mil. Justice League sequel. He sabotaged it but doesn't want to admit that, instead of being honest, he is spinning it into a narrative that JL team-up movie doesn't work.

Having said that, only a team-up movie has the potential to make 2 bil. at Box Office, if they do everything right leading up to that movie, so I doubt that executives at parent company Warnermedia will let go of that idea entriely.

KT was wrong before and now wrong again. He will be proven wrong when they eventually get Jl right. When we have multiple successful Avengers film based on very similar source material it sounds like a very sillly thing to claim in the first place.

 

[Erzengel]

Yeah, well it's pretty pathetic that the studio has to openly admit that they aren't capable of making ensemble films anymore and are sticking to standalone films now. They have all of these icons at their disposals but don't have the slightest idea on how to bring them together.

Really, what's the point of calling this a "universe" anymore when these characters won't be interacting with each other ever again (at least not the versions that are currently being portrayed now).

Meanwhile, Marvel Studios is showing everyone that it actually is possible to make both great standalone films and ensemble films featuring a cast of several larger than life heroes.

Not having a "universe" for the foreseeable future works for DCEU because A) it doesn't handcuff any director and limit what they want to do B) it doesn't require additional overall supervision on what all these directors are doing. C) if a film is underwhelming, they can just move on to the next title.

And maybe it is asking too much of WB to do. Maybe what Marvel did was almost once in a lifetime and can't be easily replicated.

 

[Micromind]

And maybe it is asking too much of WB to do. Maybe what Marvel did was almost once in a lifetime and can't be easily replicated.

Well, if WB does not do the required buildup and does little effort to get stories interconnected, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, which can later be justified saying that it works only for Marvel.

Marvel is not something special which allows only their stories to be made into a cohesive universe which DC cannot be made.

 

[Erzengel]

Well, if WB does not do the required buildup and does little effort to get stories interconnected, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, which can later be justified saying that it works only for Marvel.

Marvel is not something special which allows only their stories to be made into a cohesive universe which DC cannot be made.

It's more than just stories. The stories are there or can be created. However, when you are trying to have Snyder jumpstart your universe and don't have anyone to reign them in, then you have issues.

It's not having their own Studio division prior to BvS in 2016. DC Films is kind of like that, now.

It's the personnel with an overseer like Feige, it's their own Studio. But, they tried with Johns which didn't work out. Now Hamada who's not necessarily a comic book guy.

So even if they were able to a Feige clone who knows the business and story and is able to run things and even if WB was to backtrack and say, let's interconnect everything, you still are 6 and soon to be 7 movies in. You're course correcting at this point. So it's never going to be like Marvel, and that's not a pat on the back to Marvel or a disrespect against DC.

 

[Micromind]

I believe it can still be done, not exactly like MCU but still as connected universe but it will take some planning and for that they will need someone to coordinate it.

Maybe Tsujihara and others don't want to take the efforts, which would be a wasted opportunity.

 

[2kt09]

I believe it can still be done, not exactly like MCU but still as connected universe but it will take some planning and for that they will need someone to coordinate it.

Maybe Tsujihara and others don't want to take the efforts, which would be a wasted opportunity.

I'm with Ezra Miller on having these established speedsters bringing together multiple distinct and unique universes. We can finally get an ongoing Earth 2 with Kendra, Alan, and Jay.

 

[Aurakles]

The possibilities are endless:
Cross universe JL/JSA film
Justice League VS Crime Syndicate
Crisis on Infinite Earths
Multiversity

 

[Erzengel]

Maybe Tsujihara and others don't want to take the efforts, which would be a wasted opportunity.

That's been my feel of WB for the past few years.

 

[Limonade]

I believe it can still be done, not exactly like MCU but still as connected universe but it will take some planning and for that they will need someone to coordinate it.

Maybe Tsujihara and others don't want to take the efforts, which would be a wasted opportunity.

I don't expect Tsujihara to do much as he's the CEO of WB Entertainment as a whole. But honestly, with seeing how Johns & Berg did and now having Hamada handle it... I'd say it's good. But not great.

 

[Micromind]

I don't expect Tsujihara to do much as he's the CEO of WB Entertainment as a whole. But honestly, with seeing how Johns & Berg did and now having Hamada handle it... I'd say it's good. But not great.

We will have to see next few movies to get a clearer picture but I think they are setting-up one big universe (DCEU) and few micro-universes within that universe (Batman-verse, Aqua-verse, Suicide Squad-verse and a WW-verse) if those are successful, New Gods might lead to a GL-verse.

Just like Annabelle movies, and Nun exist within Conjuring universe.

 

[kguillou]

Stand alone movies are the best move for DC, its what they excel at. Sometimes with the shared universe model, the downside of it is the movies building up to the main event feel like filler or episodic and people are like “yea yeah yeah when are we gonna get to the team up!” And it shouldnt be that way. A movie should always feel special, feel like its own event.

Thats what I loved about Aquaman. Aquaman was completely its own thing and wasnt concerned with setting up other movies or a shared universe, it was its own event film. Thats how DC should approach each of these films and Im glad Tsujihara is mandating that approach now.

 

[Herolee10]

Stand alone movies are the best move for DC, its what they excel at. Sometimes with the shared universe model, the downside of it is the movies building up to the main event feel like filler or episodic and people are like “yea yeah yeah when are we gonna get to the team up!” And it shouldnt be that way. A movie should always feel special, feel like its own event.

Thats what I loved about Aquaman. Aquaman was completely its own thing and wasnt concerned with setting up other movies or a shared universe, it was its own event film. Thats how DC should approach each of these films and Im glad Tsujihara is mandating that approach now.

DC wanting to only focus on standalone films just shows on how incapable they are, imho, when it comes to handling their characters.

So Marvel and even the Arrowverse can tell both good standalone stories and group films but the DCEU cannot? That is just sad. The DCEU essentially took a shot at greatness only to get knocked down as a result of their own stupidity and have no desire to get back up again.

 

[Micromind]

I want to see characters from Superman interact with other characters from Batman or say Wonder Woman universe, there's no reason why a shared universe cannot work, we already have successful run of Bruce Timm's animated JL and JLU shows as a template.

Just having Batman characters and supporting characters stay in Batman universe and to never meet other characters in larger DC universe is boring and self limiting.

Imagine Lois lane meeting Billy Batson or Joker talking to Circe, a self contained universe is a dull idea from past.

 

[chintai80]

Stand alone movies are the best move for DC, its what they excel at. Sometimes with the shared universe model, the downside of it is the movies building up to the main event feel like filler or episodic and people are like “yea yeah yeah when are we gonna get to the team up!” And it shouldnt be that way. A movie should always feel special, feel like its own event.

Thats what I loved about Aquaman. Aquaman was completely its own thing and wasnt concerned with setting up other movies or a shared universe, it was its own event film. Thats how DC should approach each of these films and Im glad Tsujihara is mandating that approach now.

agreed.
i always thought WB should've just focusing on solo movies first.
no need to rush into a team up movie, just because marvel studios is doing those.

but us, the audience, have been spoiled by the mcu...we want our team-ups NOW.
"and if not...then DC/WB must suck!"

 

[Herolee10]

Why does it just have to be one way though? Why can't DC produce both great standalone and group films? They are just being lazy and, like usual, only thinking about the short term benefits.

 

[Micromind]

but us, the audience, have been spoiled by the mcu...we want our team-ups NOW.
"and if not...then DC/WB must suck!"

Not all movies need to be team-up movies, they will have to build towards those, and have some references and threads throughout the solo movies.

 

[_Superman_]

agreed.
i always thought WB should've just focusing on solo movies first.
no need to rush into a team up movie, just because marvel studios is doing those.

but us, the audience, have been spoiled by the mcu...we want our team-ups NOW.
"and if not...then DC/WB must suck!"

I don't think it about team-up movies but more about having a shared connected universe. I am just fine with standalone movies but I just want for them to be in a shared connected universe. If they have a Justice League movie I am cool with that as long as they acknowledge things in the other movies. But I just want a connected universe than team-ups.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Why does it just have to be one way though? Why can't DC produce both great standalone and group films? They are just being lazy and, like usual, only thinking about the short term benefits.

We're getting BOP and SS2. GLC is on the way it seems. These are all group films. Let WB rebuild their brand with smaller group flicks and solos, so they can change the narrative around how they handle event films. They could greenlight JL2 today and despite the success of Aquaman and the hype for their future projects, I can pretty much guarantee the news would be met with so much bad faith.

Also, laziness is so off. It's such a monumental effort to just make one of these flicks.