The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 5

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"found footage feel"

found...footage...feel...

Now I want this to flop even more and I almost never wish for movies to flop. I don't really mind MBJ!Torch but everything else about this project screams Fox going "kyaaaah our rights are gonna expire, quick let's make the cheapest movie we can and dump it in between all these bigger movies!!11!!11!"
It's just so doinky...especially with that comment from a while back about how "they probably won't be called the Fantastic Four", well then I'll just call this movie the Floptastic Four since that seems to be how it'll turn out judging from the info...

 

[The Ironstar]

They don't seem to have it. Recent evidence points to Marvel Studios having Alpha Flight. They may even be using it at some point, as AoS already threw in a Department H reference.

Y! That's why I mention Alpha Flight?

 

[starscream22]

Although Fox won't admit it, I'm sure that the rights reversion of DD back to Marvel probably ate them from within, because even though they didn't really want to make a new DD movie and waited until the last minute to start prepping for the reboot, Fox does not want Marvel to get their rights back. So I think this is why they are so adamant about keeping FF even though they also don't have much interesting in rebooting it and had also waited until the last minute to start shooting the movie. I think Fox right now sees the superhero movie genre as an arm's race, and they want to keep as many superhero movie rights as possible, not just to make a profit but also to keep them away from Marvel. It doesn't help the fact that there's now a frosty relationship between Fox and Disney/Marvel, which is why Marvel doesn't release X-Men movie merchandises and did not promote DOFP at all.

Oh Fox admitted it the day they had Mark Millar plead their case as their new poor man's Joss Whedon, which was the same date as Daredevil's deadline back in 2012.

After what Marvel Studio's made on Avengers that summer there was no way Fox would let another franchise go w/o a fight but that doesn't make what they're doing to this franchise now any easier to swallow.

Yes chess moves are being made, I think the cast of this reboot are pawns, I think Fox's PR people put out that stupid rumor about Marvel trying to sabotage this reboot by canceling F4 comics to sway the negativity in light of the success of that Fox-men film.

It's also safe to say that all is not well between Fox and the director of this reboot. And with Trank jumping ship after this film is done to do a spinoff to another franchise Fox ironically has lost to a company they don't like too much, its certain those words mentioned by that Fox president of whatever about Trank basically being a one trick pony were calculated to do more harm to Trank's future than good.

 

[Donut]

If Disney is really gonna keep team up with Sony more to spite fox. Then no better way to announce that then at Comic Con & piss fox off even more "Spider-Man will be in The Avengers 3" will get the crowd going

 

[Orba]

It would be interesting since it would increase the fan pressure on Fox to do their own crossovers. So far Fox have tried to give the impression that the reason that they aren't doing it is their own choice rather than them not having the rights to do crossovers, but if Sony and Disney joined up fan pressure (from those that don't pay attention to the film rights discussions) would grow and it would be hard for Fox to try to keep that story going.

I can't see them admitting that they just don't have the rights to do crossovers (and Disney won't give them it), so does anyone have any idea what the new excuse will be?

 

[The.Brotherhood]

Regarding Spidey joining The Avengers is like this:


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As Trevor said, FOX will never see it coming.

Batista = Spidey

Goldberg = Fox

Evolution = Avengers / Marvel / Disney

 

[SpideyFan866]

I think Spider-Man joining the Avengers would be more of a trump towards WB/DC, as opposed to Fox.

It would be an immediate trump to whatever future plans they announce.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think Spider-Man joining the Avengers would be more of a trump towards WB/DC, as opposed to Fox.

It would be an immediate trump to whatever future plans they announce.

I think its a big F U to them all but you are right about it being more so towards WB/DC. WB bragging about bringing their two biggest characters to the screen together for the first time is supposedly having Marvel shaking in its boots. Imagine Marvel being as big as it is now adding arguably the biggest character in comics who rivals Batman and you have a slam dunk. We now realize Fox can't just crossover F4 and Xmen so it at least slows down Fox's momentum but I think it sends a message to WB more than anything.

 

[starscream22]

Just because Disney and Sony play nice at times doesn't mean that everything is all peaches and cream...

To my understanding Sony was forced to sell off Spider-Man's movie merchandising due to financial trouble not because them and Mickey were such BFF's. Disney simply saw an opportunity to advance on a big piece of the puzzle. (See the irony here? )

So if the rumors are true about Sony missing their mark with this latest Spider-Man sequel, then from a business perspective why would Disney throw Sony a lifeline?

Fans clearly want the MCU to "have" Spider-Man in it but from a billion dollar company's perspective the end game would be to OWN Spider-Man first. Otherwise what would be the incentive when they do eventually get spider-man back? Breathing air into Sony's dying version would be counterproductive to say the least.

And since Fox isn't budging or showing any real signs of weakness Its logical that Disney is playing the Spidey card closely.

 

[Docker2.0]

Just because Disney and Sony play nice at times doesn't mean that everything is all peaches and cream...

To my understanding Sony was forced to sell off Spider-Man's movie merchandising due to financial trouble not because them and Mickey were such BFF's. Disney simply saw an opportunity to advance on a big piece of the puzzle. (See the irony here? )

So if the rumors are true about Sony missing their mark with this latest Spider-Man sequel, then from a business perspective why would Disney throw Sony a lifeline?

Fans clearly want the MCU to "have" Spider-Man in it but from a billion dollar company's perspective the end game would be to OWN Spider-Man first. Otherwise what would be the incentive when they do eventually get spider-man back? Breathing air into Sony's dying version would be counterproductive to say the least.

And since Fox isn't budging or showing any real signs of weakness Its logical that Disney is playing the Spidey card closely.

Doesn't matter how Disney got Sony to do it, the point is that it is more than likely happening and I think it will be a boost to both the Avengers and Spiderman franchises. Whether Sony wanted to do it or not, it's a win win for both sides as well as the fans. The only way I can see Fox keeping up now is to expand(no pun intended)the X-men universe by making a Deadpool and Gambit movie as well a X-Force movie and it's a slim stretch but explore the cosmic side of the X-men universe by doing a StarJammers movie. There are tons of ways they can go but this F4 movie just sounds like crap on a stick.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Sony and Disney made a business deal that allowed both sides to get what they want. That's how companies out to make a profit should behave.

Fox and Disney won't make deals even if it does help each other because the relationship is so toxic. They would rather hurt themselves if it meant hurting the other one than do something where they both benefit.

 

[starscream22]

Guess the point I was trying to make was that Disney clearly wants all or nothing. Otherwise Marvel would've considered Shuler-Doners request for Fox-men to be part of the MCU when Avengers blew up and Fox-men were struggling.

Plus Feige already made it clear that Marvel was doing their own thing. Disney doesn't want to share and I don't blame them. Marvel clearly made a mess of things before they were acquired and now Disney has to pick up the pieces.

 

[Raiden]

Guess the point I was trying to make was that Disney clearly wants all or nothing. Otherwise Marvel would've considered Shuler-Doners request for Fox-men to be part of the MCU when Avengers blew up and Fox-men were struggling.

Plus Feige already made it clear that Marvel was doing their own thing. Disney doesn't want to share and I don't blame them. Marvel clearly made a mess of things before they were acquired and now Disney has to pick up the pieces.

Although I also believe that Marvel made way too many concessions when they were selling off their movie rights in an attempt to stay alive and not go to Chapter 11, it is this reason why the movies in return made Marvel into such an attractive company to be purchased, which Disney did by paying 4 billion to acquire Marvel. If Disney had done it back when Marvel was struggling, they'd have all the rights, but who knows how things would've turned out then.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Although I also believe that Marvel made way too many concessions when they were selling off their movie rights in an attempt to stay alive and not go to Chapter 11, .

Can't they just claim back the rights by saying that they would have sold it for more if they hadn't been in hardship at the time and had known how successful they'd be? (It worked for Superman)

 

[mightiest_mortal]

My expectations have dropped so low at this point that I'm not expecting anything that even vaguely resembles FF

Same. I don't think I've seen a decision made around this movie that doesnt seem dumb. I've got to the point where it seems SO FAR removed from any actual Fantastic Four movie that I'm almost willing to give it a shot as a "Original Superhero movie with a F4ish vibe".

 

[Dark Raven]

Same. I don't think I've seen a decision made around this movie that doesnt seem dumb. I've got to the point where it seems SO FAR removed from any actual Fantastic Four movie that I'm almost willing to give it a shot as a "Original Superhero movie with a F4ish vibe".

But we already gave a movie a shot like that before. It was called "The Incredibles."

 

[wobbly]

Guess the point I was trying to make was that Disney clearly wants all or nothing. Otherwise Marvel would've considered Shuler-Doners request for Fox-men to be part of the MCU when Avengers blew up and Fox-men were struggling.

Plus Feige already made it clear that Marvel was doing their own thing. Disney doesn't want to share and I don't blame them. Marvel clearly made a mess of things before they were acquired and now Disney has to pick up the pieces.

Did that happen? I know Jackman was all over the idea but never knew any powers that be at Fox actually requested it.

 

[starscream22]

Did that happen? I know Jackman was all over the idea but never knew any powers that be at Fox actually requested it.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/10/08/...to-see-an-x-men-and-avengers-movie-crossover/

 

[Docker2.0]

Did that happen? I know Jackman was all over the idea but never knew any powers that be at Fox actually requested it.

Yeah that's news to me. The only thing I heard was that Marvel was willing to trade Daredevil rights to use Silver Surfer and Galactus. I've heard nothing about Fox asking Marvel to combine the X-verse and MCU. I actually can't see Marvel saying no to something like that if it happened. Jackman standing beside RDJ?!?!

 

[wobbly]

http://badassdigest.com/2012/10/08/...to-see-an-x-men-and-avengers-movie-crossover/

She is only saying she would love to do it, not that she ever asked Marvel to do it. Putting an offer on the table is a whole different ball game. That would have been huge news.

Reminds me of the saying: "Wish in one hand, s##t in the other, see which fills up first".

Like us wishing for a great 616 based FF film I suppose...

 

[fangz]

For all you haters of Marvel Animation, check this out, the CLASSIC Fantastic Four lineup appearing on Hulk and the Agents of SMASH:

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oh my god, the writing is so goddam horrendous.
what is wrong with Marvel Animation, haha? sign me up for hater. :0)

 

[Dr. Thanos]

oh my god, the writing is so goddam horrendous.
what is wrong with Marvel Animation, haha? sign me up for hater. :0)

Two words: Jeph Loeb. The primary Marvel show before he took over, Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, was a great cartoon. The scope they covered while still having an awesome plot that stretched across episodes is amazing, and it was probably the best superhero cartoon since JLU. But then Loeb became head of Marvel Television and cancelled everything because "kids can't follow multi episode arcs and everything has to be self contained." ******** Loeb, ********.

I could barely stomach an episode of Avengers Assemble, and Agents of SMASH is even lamer. It really sucks that EMH (and W&tXM and Spectacular Spidey...) were cancelled; there were even a few Fantastic Four centric episodes and they were great. In fact if this movie just followed the characterization of that series (which is spot-on to 616) it would work well.

 

[Kelly]

I thought the Fantastic Cartoon a few years ago was excellent. I loved the characterization in it, they were spot on....Doom was excellent, It had 616 all over it from the very first episode, except that it was set in the present, not 1960s....

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[Atharun]

I enjoyed F4 WGH when it came out. I liked the designs. Wish they did more marvel animations in that style.

 

[Hellion]

The few episodes of that F4…cartoon I enjoyed, for me it was more…when was it on…it seemed like it's schedule rotated, or it was taken out of schedule quite a bit…was it on CN…I could have sworn it was on Nicktoons…