The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

[Eddie]

lol @boycotting a film.

It's no sillier than blindly supporting one. I'm not one to join a boycotting a film facebook page myself, but I can't say I blame other fans for doing so.

 

[MadVillainy]

Nah I mean I just think the whole thing about boycotting, at least in my mind, is that youre boycotting for a greater good or something. It's just the way I think of the term "boycott" in my mind. It usually has to due with social change or something of that nature. And to use it with a movie, even if will most likely be terrible, is silly to me.

I would just say Im not seeing the movie. Not go all "fight the power" and act like it's an important thing. But that's just the way my mind works

 

[Eddie]

That's the quote. Has this guy posted anything since?

And the part about the film lacking fun is the part that really bothers me. The FF are meant to be a dysfunctional family where Ben and Johnny prank each other constantly. Reed Richards is incredibly intense about his work, he's a fast talker, he lacks social graces and doesn't realize when he's boring people when he's rambling. Sue exists to keep the other three in line and is often the only adult in the room. Anything else simply isn't the Fantastic Four. That's assuming its true. I took it with a grain of salt six months ago but it appears a bit more credible with all of the other rumors flying about.

The one really questionable thing is the claim that FF would be at Comic-Con (it wasn't), but it's entirely possible that the Comic-Con presentation was supposed to mostly be Trank talking about the film. If that's the case, perhaps he was too busy throwing a toaster through a window or something.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could still be at Comic Con 2015 and if not then, then 2016.

 

[Docker2.0]

Nah I mean I just think the whole thing about boycotting, at least in my mind, is that youre boycotting for a greater good or something. It's just the way I think of the term "boycott" in my mind. It usually has to due with social change or something of that nature. And to use it with a movie, even if will most likely be terrible, is silly to me.

I would just say Im not seeing the movie. Not go all "fight the power" and act like it's an important thing. But that's just the way my mind works

Well some people take it more seriously than you. No offense. I joined and if boycott is the word to use then so be it. It's better to say no to this film than to get 10 more just like it. Next thing you know, we'll be getting a Silver Surfer movie with a yellow Surfer. No one is marching, just not supporting or spending anything on it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well some people take it more seriously than you. No offense. I joined and if boycott is the word to use then so be it. It's better to say no to this film than to get 10 more just like it. Next thing you know, we'll be getting a Silver Surfer movie with a yellow Surfer. No one is marching, just not supporting or spending anything on it.

There's nothing inherent about the Surfer that says he has to be silver and can't work just as well being yellow.

 

[C. Lee]

lol @boycotting a film.

You've been here since 2008....and you act like this is the first time you have heard anyone on here say something about boycotting a film. I've seen people say that about almost every film announced.

 

[Hellion]

You've been here since 2008....and you act like this is the first time you have heard anyone on here say something about boycotting a film. I've seen people say that about almost every film announced.

...and on a daily basis too.

 

[Docker2.0]

There's nothing inherent about the Surfer that says he has to be silver and can't work just as well being yellow.

Hey, I agree maam! That's like having a blue Green Lantern. If people support it go for it. If you find a sucker, lick it.

You've been here since 2008....and you act like this is the first time you have heard anyone on here say something about boycotting a film. I've seen people say that about almost every film announced.

But this time we mean it!

 

[starscream22]

Has anyone seen this Facebook boycott page? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-FOX-Fantastic-4/733979860001075

Yeah, I've posted on there a couple of times....

Wish more people would like it though.

 

[Docker2.0]

Yeah, I've posted on there a couple of times....

Wish more people would like it though.

I did to. Hope it catches on the closer the movie comes out.

 

[starscream22]

Nah I mean I just think the whole thing about boycotting, at least in my mind, is that youre boycotting for a greater good or something. It's just the way I think of the term "boycott" in my mind. It usually has to due with social change or something of that nature. And to use it with a movie, even if will most likely be terrible, is silly to me.

I would just say Im not seeing the movie. Not go all "fight the power" and act like it's an important thing. But that's just the way my mind works

As far as I'm concerned F4 reverting back to Marvel IS THE GREATER GOOD.

Didn't LGBT boycott Ender's Game because of author anti-gay comments? Okay then, it does work. Your welcome.

 

[MadVillainy]

Lol people are really in their feelings about this. Im not saying support this film or that not supporting this film is a bad idea. I just said the way I associate boycotting with civil rights causes and social change ideas makes me laugh that people are calling to boycott this or any movie just because they don't like the quality of the movie

You've been here since 2008....and you act like this is the first time you have heard anyone on here say something about boycotting a film. I've seen people say that about almost every film announced.

How am I acting like this is the first time Ive seen it? Because I laughed?

As far as I'm concerned F4 reverting back to Marvel IS THE GREATER GOOD.

Didn't LGBT boycott Ender's Game because of author anti-gay comments? Okay then, it does work. Your welcome.

I never said boycotts or whatever don't work. So I don't know why even bring up Ender's Game to me.

Well some people take it more seriously than you. No offense. I joined and if boycott is the word to use then so be it. It's better to say no to this film than to get 10 more just like it. Next thing you know, we'll be getting a Silver Surfer movie with a yellow Surfer. No one is marching, just not supporting or spending anything on it.

I never said there was anything wrong with not supporting it. Hell I dont support it. I havent seen or heard anything that I like from the movie (other than the use of the N Zone)
As you said I dont take it that seriously. And that's not offensive to me at all. Im proud of that.
It's a movie, it's not gonna ruin my life if this is bad. I mean I love Terminator but the next Terminator being bad isnt that big of a deal to me. I love Superman, but me not liking MoS doesnt ruin my day much.

I'm not gonna see this in theaters unless something comes out that makes me do a 180.

 

[Docker2.0]

Lol people are really in their feelings about this. Im not saying support this film or that not supporting this film is a bad idea. I just said the way I associate boycotting with civil rights causes and social change ideas makes me laugh that people are calling to boycott this or any movie just because they don't like the quality of the movie



How am I acting like this is the first time Ive seen it? Because I laughed?



I never said boycotts or whatever don't work. So I don't know why even bring up Ender's Game to me.



I never said there was anything wrong with not supporting it. Hell I dont support it. I havent seen or heard anything that I like from the movie (other than the use of the N Zone)
As you said I dont take it that seriously. And that's not offensive to me at all. Im proud of that.
It's a movie, it's not gonna ruin my life if this is bad. I mean I love Terminator but the next Terminator being bad isnt that big of a deal to me. I love Superman, but me not liking MoS doesnt ruin my day much.

I'm not gonna see this in theaters unless something comes out that makes me do a 180.

You don't question CBM man! Even if you didn't mean anything, you meant something!

PS- no one is offending, just saying............I think you may have said it wrong.

 

[Farren]

I don't put a lot of weight on the Trank/Mara rumor...but if it's true that's pretty terrible of him to do to her.

 

[Dr Tactics]

lol @boycotting a film.

Lol people are really in their feelings about this. Im not saying support this film or that not supporting this film is a bad idea. I just said the way I associate boycotting with civil rights causes and social change ideas makes me laugh that people are calling to boycott this or any movie just because they don't like the quality of the movie

I get what he's saying.. When you turn the computer off there are much more pressing issues in the world..

Also the word boycott is a stronger word to someone of african american heritage being that boycotting was needed just to demand basic human rights.

Yet, I remember folks needlessly getting corrected when the term "Hostage" or "Terrorism" was used to describe Fox and the FF. So I'll let them live them with the term Boycott.

Yep. their feelings are in it but a boycotting facebook page won't change a thing really.. Box office bombs will. And when they look back at why it bombed they they'll recognize the lack of support from those fans and have their "AH HA" moment. I will not see it either so I guess I'm boycotting it LOL!!

The way I see it is no one is in it for the fans. Marvel seems to be because its in their best financial interest to think of the fans and put out films that please the GA and fans alike.. Fox on the other hand have yet to learn that lesson.. They will soon enough..

 

[Tymminator]

I still feel that they should avoid at all cost trying to tie this FF movie to thier X-verse (if it can actually be done).

They just straightened out their X-men with DoFP as best as they could...to tie that with this film can taint the line if the FF sucks.

I'm out after XM:Apocolypse myself, but there are others who are loyal and really fans of the FoX-Men line and I just feel Fox should wait to see how that movies received before attempting to have the two exist in the same reality.

 

[MadVillainy]

Even if this was a good movie I wouldnt really care to see an X-Men team up. Obviously in the comics theyve interacted and shared storylines but idk it would seem like theyre just doing it to do it. Spider-Man and Avengers meeting make sense, same with FF and Avengers or X-Men and Avengers, but i dont see why making a FF/X-Men movie would be that special or cool/

 

[C. Lee]

How am I acting like this is the first time Ive seen it? Because I laughed

Partly, and partly from your other responses. I've heard people say it enough on here now that I ignore it (I take it as the hyperbole that it is intended in). I feel it is not worth responding to. You responded to it, so it would seem that you either have never heard it before or have heard it so little that you felt a need to respond to it in a condescending way (i.e. laughing at it).

You had also said this before I responded - Nah I mean I just think the whole thing about boycotting, at least in my mind, is that youre boycotting for a greater good or something. It's just the way I think of the term "boycott" in my mind. It usually has to due with social change or something of that nature. And to use it with a movie, even if will most likely be terrible, is silly to me. - If you had seen it many times before then you would know that he was not saying boycott it as in referring to "social change" or for the greater good of mankind....he was talking about boycotting it simply because he doesn't like how he hears the movie is progressing (like everyone else does on this site when they call for a movie to be boycotted).

And then you again said this -

Lol people are really in their feelings about this. Im not saying support this film or that not supporting this film is a bad idea. I just said the way I associate boycotting with civil rights causes and social change ideas makes me laugh that people are calling to boycott this or any movie just because they don't like the quality of the movie

Which shows to me that you haven't really noticed anyone else saying that they want to boycott some movie during your 6 years on here but instead still stand by the idea that boycotting is only with social change or civil rights reasons. Anyone who spends a fair amount of time looking around the internet should see hundreds of things being called out for boycotting...and not all of them are for social change.

 

[MadVillainy]

Just to make it clear and put an end to it: Yes Ive seen people call boycotts to other movies. The LAst Airbender, Casino Royale, TASM are the ones that come to mind first.

All I did was laugh at an idea that Ive seen before and I was laughing because I find the concept silly to call it that when in my mind boycott has a more serious social change conotation because the first thing I think is of bus boycotts, rather than using it to mean just not going to see the movie

Apologies for any confusion

 

[Eddie]

I still feel that they should avoid at all cost trying to tie this FF movie to thier X-verse (if it can actually be done).

They just straightened out their X-men with DoFP as best as they could...to tie that with this film can taint the line if the FF sucks.

I'm out after XM:Apocolypse myself, but there are others who are loyal and really fans of the FoX-Men line and I just feel Fox should wait to see how that movies received before attempting to have the two exist in the same reality.

I suggested this in another thread, but I'll mention it here as well. Fox should seriously consider working with Marvel after Apocalypse and Wolverine 3. Most of the Foxverse cast will be out of contract at that point and some of them are getting a bit old to realistically sign on for more. There's a very good chance that by the time the MCU hits Phase 4, the X-films will be recasting major roles. If you're going to have to recast the main characters and shift to a modern timeline anyway, why not do that in the MCU? They could even acknowledge the current X-continuity as an Age of Apocalypse-esque alternate reality, and maybe even bring select cast members over All-New X-Men style.

 

[MadVillainy]

Dont bring X-Men into the MCU. I think that that would be a disservice to them

 

[Eddie]

You... you do realize that the X-Men were created as members of the Marvel Universe, right? That's what I don't get about people dead set about bringing the X-Men to the MCU. I totally understand liking the current X-Men films, but I don't see how Mutants existing in the same continuity as Captain America wouldn't make sense. It's literally been that way in the Marvel Universe since the first issue of X-Men. There are thousands of X-Men comics set in a world where Captain America and Namor fought Nazis and a Norse god fights crime. Why in the world should the characters not work together on film when they clearly do in the source material?

 

[MadVillainy]

You... you do realize that the X-Men were created as members of the Marvel Universe, right? That's what I don't get about people dead set about bringing the X-Men to the MCU. I totally understand liking the current X-Men films, but I don't see how Mutants existing in the same continuity as Captain America wouldn't make sense. It's literally been that way in the Marvel Universe since the first issue of X-Men. There are thousands of X-Men comics set in a world where Captain America and Namor fought Nazis and a Norse god fights crime. Why in the world should the characters not work together on film when they clearly do in the source material?

Of course i know X-Men are in the Marvel universe.

Anyway, the X-Men universe is so vast that trying to fit them into the MCU is pointless. X-Men have so much more story potential then a lot of other properties that Marvel has.

With X-Men you can get a regular team series, prequel series, and solo adventures.
If they get incorporated into the MCU we would lose so many storytelling potentials and gain so few. I dont think Marvel will be in a huge rush to release those spinoffs and prequels when they have all these other characters that they have to make movies for. If the MCU-X-Men merger happens Im pretty sure you can forget about things like Deadpool, Gambit, and X-Force happening. I think if the the X-Men were in the MCu we wouldnt have even gotten First Class.
X-Men can stand fine on their own and in films, theyre probably better off. FOX would be silly to accept a deal with Marvel because there is so much money to be made without including Marvel.

In addition to that MCU is fine without them. I dont think incorporating Wolverine into WWII is gonna make Cap that much better. I don't think that having T'Challa having a love interest other than Storm will hurt his film. And I dont think, if they go that route, Xavier being missing from the Illuminati will hurt either.

If X-Men go to the MCU I wouldnt be mad, it's just I dont see why do it when doing it probably would mean losing some good potential X-Men stories. I don't feel that the MCU is really missing that much important stuff, story wise, by not having X-Men and vice versa. Just because it's one way in the comics doesnt mean it has to be that way in the movies.

 

[Man in the Suit]

This whole production sounds crazy.

I wonder who Fox would get for reshoots. I wonder if this would be similar to X-Men: First Class. That thing had like 8 weeks of reshoots months before release where Vaughn was not on set. (The big rumor at the time was that it was Singer while Vaughn was editing.)