The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

[fantasticfan]

Well established? Define well established. Because Kinberg said so?

Show me a photo of one set-piece that was set up in May. Show me one call-sheet for extras saying: "report here" in May. Show me one tweet by anyone saying "we were filming today" from May.

The only thing we saw in May was a photo of the cast that appeared to be them showing up for a script-reading in mid-May (they went in different directions after that and didn't return until June).

When it comes to what I believe regarding this production, I base it on evidence, not on what I want to be true.
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Having some issues copying the link, but this is the article from **************.com dated 5/14/14. If you Google "principal photography, fantastic four" you will find it. I am sure you have seen these set photos before.
THE FANTASTIC FOUR Cast Spotted In-Between Filming

Nothing exciting yet, but Miles Teller, Kate Mara, Reg E. Cathey, and Jamie Bell have been spotted in their civvies today in Louisiana and in-between filming for The Fantastic Four. Check out the photos!
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By DCMarvelFreshman - 5/14/2014
On Monday, screenwriter/producer Simon Kinberg confirmed during an X-Men: Days of Future Past live Twitter chat that The Fantastic Four had completed its first week of principal photography in Louisiana. Today, the Josh Trank-directed reboot continued filming and Celebrity-Gossip spotted and took snaps of the new stars behind Marvel's First Family, sans Michael B. Jordan (Johnny Storm). However, Miles Teller (Reed Richards), Kate Mara (Sue Storm), Jamie Bell (Ben Grimm), and Reg E. Catchey (Franklin Storm) were pictured in civilian clothing and "going over a few lines" during mulitple filming breaks. There's not much else going on here, but check out the photos below.

http://http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=100051


Source: Celebrity-Gossip

 

[Duran Man]

You can't link to cbm.com on this site.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

http://http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=100051
http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=100051

As I mentioned in my post (which you apparently didn't read) those photos were almost certainly related to pre-production activities (such as costume fitting and script read throughs). Kate Mara had indicated just prior to those photos that she hadn't done any costume fittings and just after those photos the actors were not in Baton Rouge (Kate Mara was in NY, MBJ was in NY, Texas and CA through the end of May, Miles Teller was filming Divergence 2).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

On Monday, screenwriter/producer Simon Kinberg confirmed during an X-Men: Days of Future Past live Twitter chat that The Fantastic Four had completed its first week of principal photography in Louisiana.

As I also indicated in my post, I don't consider the "because Kinberg said so" argument to be valid.

 

[starscream22]

& if fox thinks rival studios like Disney / MARVEL or WB / DC / Sony will back down from a release date just because they see The Faketastic Four listed. They got another thing coming

Yeah, just have Disney throw a Starwars Spinoff in the early Jun 2017 slot to show how they really feel. Keeping FF and profiting off of it are two different things.

Plus Fox still can't be too happy about them taking SW and Disney giving Trank the directors chair for that spinoff I'm sure was to wave it in Fox's face. So I'll just support SW even more now that it's gone. (If it's good of course)

 

[chamber-music]

Me either. It's like they are saying "this may suck and yes we don't have a clue what we are doing but gosh darn it! We are going to keep trying until we get it right. We may spend $400M to make 4 movies only to bring back $402M DOM but no way is Marvel getting this back and making $1B off of it. It ain't happening!" This makes no sense whatsoever. Why don't they just expand the X-verse and work with Marvel and ways to improve their product. They are acting like idiots. They can make a way to maximize their profits. They don't have a freakin clue!

Fox don't want to be embarrassed.

Fox doesn't want to let the FF rights go to Marvel Studios and watch them possibly make a billion dollar franchise out it when they couldn't.

Fox will hold onto the rights until Marvel/Disney either make them a offer they can't refuse or run the brand into the ground so that they can't make a dime out of it.

 

[Zarex]

& if fox thinks rival studios like Disney / MARVEL or WB / DC / Sony will back down from a release date just because they see The Faketastic Four listed. They got another thing coming

Outside of X Men: Apocalypse, which will likely experience a drop off at the box office due to increased competition and no mash up with the OT cast, the upcoming FOX slate looks pretty weak:

FFINO - August 7, 2015
Deadpool - February 12, 2016
X Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
Gambit: The Movie - October 7, 2016
The Wolverine 2 (or 3) - March 3, 2017
FFINO 2 - June 2, 2017

Outside of the X Men sequel, I don't have any confidence in that lineup.

 

[fantasticfan]

As I mentioned in my post (which you apparently didn't read) those photos were almost certainly related to pre-production activities (such as costume fitting and script read throughs). Kate Mara had indicated just prior to those photos that she hadn't done any costume fittings and just after those photos the actors were not in Baton Rouge (Kate Mara was in NY, MBJ was in NY, Texas and CA through the end of May, Miles Teller was filming Divergence 2).

I did read your post. APPARENTLY, you can't believe a word out of Kinberg's mouth, who is the producer/official spokesperson for the film, so that's your issue. That's fine. But couching your conclusions and comments in "ALMOST CERTAINLY" does not make what you say true. You have absolutely NO PROOF the contemporaneous report in CBM and other outlets that "covered" the "story" is incorrect, and the cast were not really taking one of "multiple" breaks from shooting footage on the day the photos were taken. ALMOST CERTAINLY the person who took the photos was an extra/crew member with a cell phone and knew what has happening that day on set - and ALMOST CERTAINLY sold the photos along with the background story attached. The fact that Mara said she hadn't been fitted for a f4 costume (during an APRIL interview, if I recall correctly) doesn't mean she wasn't filming scenes by mid May (the date of the photos). And actors don't have to be on set, or in the state for that matter, on days when their scenes aren't being shot. Miles Teller was scheduled to work on both films during the same time period. There were instagram/twitters from him from both locations during May and June. Regardless, eventually we will all know whether the 3 months (the time officially reported by the production) was enough time to shoot a good F4 film.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Regardless, eventually we will all know whether the 3 months (the time officially reported by the production) was enough time to shoot a good F4 film.

Anyone with common sense knows the answer to that now. There's NO WAY a good FF film can be shot in under 3 months.

But if you want to delude yourself into believing all the crap we've seen over the last 2 years can, somehow, be collected into a good FF film, be my guest.

You're the one who is going to be disappointed.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

You want to put your money where your mouth is, Fantasticfan?

If this film scores over 80% on Rotten tomatoes, I'll donate $100 to your favorite charity. If it's under 80%, you donate to mine. Deal?

 

[Donut]

Yeah, just have Disney throw a Starwars Spinoff in the early Jun 2017 slot to show how they really feel. Keeping FF and profiting off of it are two different things.

Plus Fox still can't be too happy about them taking SW and Disney giving Trank the directors chair for that spinoff I'm sure was to wave it in Fox's face. So I'll just support SW even more now that it's gone. (If it's good of course)

Now Disney can change the Toy Story 4 release date from June 16, 2017 - 2 - June 14, 2017 & murder The Faketastic Four & I am holding out hope that Trank gets fired from the spin off in the long run

 

[fantasticfan]

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Just for s**ts and giggles, I just looked up and averaged the Rotten Tomatoes scores for all non X-Men Fox Superhero films (including both Wolverines).

Result: 37.7%

The only way Fox comes out looking better than piss-poor in terms of their comic-book film track record is if you are extremely selective in your data selection like: "Let's only consider Bryan Singer films released in the past year as our data set."

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80%? You have more confidence in the reboot than I would have thought! I will pass on the wager, nonetheless. It's a movie after all and I don't appreciate being called delusional and lacking in common sense - it just isn't as interesting or fun after that. Thanks though.

 

[starscream22]

I did read your post. APPARENTLY, you can't believe a word out of Kinberg's mouth, who is the producer/official spokesperson for the film, so that's your issue.

The guy who said back in 12/5/13 that he wanted to make Fox "More like Marvel"? YES!

The production of these films are NOTHING LIKE MARVELS. So forgive us if we're not buying the filming date on a franchise that waited so close to the deadline to be made in the first place.

 

[fantasticfan]

The guy who said back in 12/5/13 that he wanted to make Fox "More like Marvel"? YES!

The production of these films are NOTHING LIKE MARVELS. So forgive us if we're not buying the filming date on a franchise that waited so close to the deadline to be made in the first place.

I am not telling anyone what/who they should believe. I just don't like to see opinion/assumptions presented as proven fact.

 

[starscream22]

Outside of X Men: Apocalypse, which will likely experience a drop off at the box office due to increased competition and no mash up with the OT cast, the upcoming FOX slate looks pretty weak:

FFINO - August 7, 2015
Deadpool - February 12, 2016
X Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
Gambit: The Movie - October 7, 2016
The Wolverine 2 (or 3) - March 3, 2017
FFINO 2 - June 2, 2017

Yeah and with the growing concern of CBM overkill I can easily cut most of the fat with these and whatever Sony throws together.

 

[Donut]

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's a movie after all and I don't appreciate being called delusional and lacking in common sense

Where did I call you delusional and lacking in common sense?

I said anyone with common sense would realize a good FF film can't be made in less than 3 months. Don't you agree with that? You're an FF fan, right? Don't you wish Fox would treat this film better and give one of the defining comic-books of the Silver age the shooting schedule it needs and deserves?

As for being delusional, I didn't call you delusional. I said you can delude yourself if you want to.

If you're going to take every comment that disagrees with you as a personal insult, you probably shouldn't make comments that most people will disagree with.

 

[metaphysician]

More and more I am wondering if the Trank meltdown has to do with corporate pressure. With FFINO producer Matthew Vaughn coming out and saying "grim and gritty" superhero films are passe, Trank may have been unwilling make radical changes that would put the film more in line with GOTG than TDK.

It would certainly be in FOX's best interests to get something out of the Mouse now rather than further piss off Marvel fans - who, oddly enough, also tend to be interested in films featuring the X-Men, Deadpool and Wolverine. Putting garbage into theaters in order to hold onto the rights for seven years just so we can go through this entire dance again in 2022 is pointless.

What about a deal like the following?

1) Marvel allows FOX additional time to hire a new director and put FFINO together after the Trank meltdown.

2) The film is released VOD under the title "The Ultimates".

3) Marvel kicks in 50% of so of the budget in return for whatever profits (if any) are realized from the film.

4) Marvel agrees to cooperate with FOX in scheduling upcoming features as well as allow for limited merchandising for FOX-Marvel films.

5) In return, Marvel gets full control of the Fantastic Four family of characters immediately after "The Ultimates" finishes its run on VOD.

Who says no?

That sounds like an awful lot of "Marvel paying Fox for not much in return". Marvel would be far better off just ignoring Fox, letting them have their train wreck, and continuing to produce other movies.

 

[Donut]

If you're going to take every comment that disagrees with you as a personal insult, you probably shouldn't make comments that most people will disagree with.

Just notify a mod & a mod will take care of said person doing that stuff. Remember Cyclops ?

 

[starscream22]

I am not telling anyone what/who they should believe. I just don't like to see opinion/assumptions presented as proven fact.

Pfft! As covert as Fox is being with this crappy film I'm sure the supporters of it don't......Just puts in perspective the absurdity that people are still defending this film when its primary purpose is to play "Franchise Keep Away" with Marvel.

H3ll I don't even think most people routing for this film even care if it's good just as long as we lose.

 

[fantasticfan]

Just notify a mod & a mod will take care of said person doing that stuff. Remember Cyclops ?

Really? I just want to talk about the movie details. Jabs about "deluded" thinking aren't productive, nor are requests to put "your money where your mouth is." End of topic for me.

 

[Tony Stark]

I agree, this has deteriorated into a pissing match. It bothers me on two fronts in that many of the supporters of this film are not FF fans, they are Fox fans (not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that) but when they start saying things like "the 616 FF was so boring" and how "Victor Domachev may not be accurate to the comics, but he'll be better than any of the MCU villains", that's when you know that they just want us to be wrong.

I think part of the reason Marvel is disassociating themselves from the FF, is when this stinker finally turns out, they don't want it tarnishing their reputation.

 

[starscream22]

Willie Lumpkin Keep Hope Alive! The burden of proof that this film isn't something that might show up on the bottom of a farmer's shoe is for THEM to prove at this point not us!

 

[starscream22]

End of topic for me.

It ended before you even started by thinking you can come in and sway the minds of people who've been watching this project go down in flames for months.

From script rewrite after rewrite. And from Millars crap to Kinberg's crap to Trank gag order you have NO leg to really stand on when it comes to the big picture. So if you're looking forward to the movie then fine, good luck with trying to defend it though.

 

[Donut]

Really? I just want to talk about the movie details

You seem more focused on the negative opinions besides just talking about movie details