The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Man, if that's true, I wish it would have premiered the day before the Batman/Superman trailer, which might be premiering with Jupiter Ascending on February 6th.

http://batman-news.com/2015/01/08/r...n-dawn-justice-trailer-coming-early-february/

Would have not only stolen FFINO's thunder, but S/B'd still be higher up on the marketing timeline even though S/B comes out next year.

Oh well.

Oh please everyone was saying that the BvS teaser would be attached to the Hobbit even though commonsense should have clued people in that no studio would release a teaser that early. It's too bad people let their fanboyism get in the way of their common sense. I'll believe this February teaser thing when I see it. Believe me I'll be jumping for freaking joy when I get to see footage.

As for the topic at hand; I will believe an FF trailer is coming in February when I see it. It feels like a film they are going to wait until the last minute to push but I could easily be wrong.

 

[Eddie]

I've followed more a few films, and I've found that any site claiming a trailer for one film will be attached to another is usually just guessing. I remember rumors about a Pirates of the Caribbean trailer debuting with Ghost Rider and DBE's trailer debuting with Max Payne. Neither of those panned out. They just kinda made sense as guesses.

 

[Tony Stark]

It's not totally unheard of to release a trailer a year in advance, but it's certainly the exception not the rule. WB has done that for TDK, TDKR, and MoS which all had short teasers released a year in advance of release.

However a year and 3 months would be even less common, so I was skeptical about the BvS trailer. But I'm pretty sure BvS is closer to completion than FFINO is.

What's worse about finishing FFINO this late, is it will get a hatchet job in the editing room, just like the first FF movie did. Anyone ever see the special "extended" edition of the first FF? That has to be one of the top 10 worst edited films of all time.

 

[kaijunexus]

The Fantastic Four teaser will release FEB 13 with Kingsman.

Well, good luck getting the attention of the GA with that...

I don't know anybody that is planning on seeing Kingsman. Regardless of whether it's good or not, there's not a lot of interest in that film.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well, good luck getting the attention of the GA with that...

I don't know anybody that is planning on seeing Kingsman. Regardless of whether it's good or not, there's not a lot of interest in that film.

OT: The trailers have done nothing for me, but I keep hearing it's really really good.
I dont think I'll see it in theaters.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It doesn't make any sense to me that Fox would show a trailer for the FF before Kingsman. From what I'm hearing it is ultra violent and almost certainly rated R. How could that be your target audience? If Fox actually does release the trailer with that kind of film it will either show A) they are completely clueless or B) they have morphed the FF into something in tone that is not even remotely close to what they are supposed to be. (Now cue the pro-Fox cheerleaders to say how different and fresh it's going to be and how Domashev is going to be the greatest villain ever).

As far as the Ant-Man teaser it did surprise and puzzle me a bit by its tone. I don't really put much stock in trailers because they can totally deceive you but I have to confess I'm even more intrigued by the movie now. I certainly didn't expect it to be so dramatic. As a father I'm digging the father-daughter dynamic. Michael Douglass' voice over was quite compelling. Beautifully done IMO. Things became a little jarring to me after Paul Rudd's humorous "huh" interjection but the shots of the flying ant made me geek out for sure. Frankly I'm amazed they were even able to prepare a trailer for a release a month after finishing principal photography.

 

[metaphysician]

Perhaps. And I fully concede my bias towards having the FF in the MCU, financials be damned. But I think this is the time to offer the carrot rather than the stick, as Marvel appears to be doing with Sony and Spider-man.

Assisting FOX in earning back what anyone with eyes could see was a horrible investment may not be popular. But if there's a way for Marvel to get their characters back with a relatively modest investment ($50 million?), minimal if any damage to the FF brand, while allowing FOX to proudly declare "We win!" without getting anything of real value, I think they should take it.

While I don't disagree with your logic, I do disagree with one of your premises: specifically, that Fox is interested in a "modest" payment. If Fox were willing to sell for a genuinely modest payment, I think they would have sold years ago. Fox is probably holding out for either a check in the low nine figures, or something similarly exorbitant ( full merchandising rights for the X-Men, say ).

 

[MadVillainy]

It doesn't make any sense to me that Fox would show a trailer for the FF before Kingsman. From what I'm hearing it is ultra violent and almost certainly rated R. How could that be your target audience? If Fox actually does release the trailer with that kind of film it will either show A) they are completely clueless or B) they have morphed the FF into something in tone that is not even remotely close to what they are supposed to be. (Now cue the pro-Fox cheerleaders to say how different and fresh it's going to be and how Domashev is going to be the greatest villain ever).

Rating doesnt matter. People who watch PG13 superheroes also watch R rated movies too. They release R rated movie trailers in PG13 movies all the time. I remember seeing The Equalizer trailer in front of Guardians. I saw the trailer for American Sniper in front of Beyond the Lights

Im not saying it's the biggest audience, but in theory releasing a PG13 movie trailer in an R rated movie wouldnt be bad.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Rating doesnt matter. People who watch PG13 superheroes also watch R rated movies too. They release R rated movie trailers in PG13 movies all the time. I remember seeing The Equalizer trailer in front of Guardians. I saw the trailer for American Sniper in front of Beyond the Lights

Im not saying it's the biggest audience, but in theory releasing a PG13 movie trailer in an R rated movie wouldnt be bad.

You may be right but it still feels off to me.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It doesn't make any sense to me that Fox would show a trailer for the FF before Kingsman. From what I'm hearing it is ultra violent and almost certainly rated R. How could that be your target audience? If Fox actually does release the trailer with that kind of film it will either show A) they are completely clueless or B) they have morphed the FF into something in tone that is not even remotely close to what they are supposed to be. (Now cue the pro-Fox cheerleaders to say how different and fresh it's going to be and how Domashev is going to be the greatest villain ever).

I don't have any idea if they'll release the trailer with Kingsman, but both A and B seem to fit this production. We have ample evidence that they're clueless and they don't understand the FF and intend to change the FF.

"I will say that this film that we made is not really for little kids, I don’t think. We do take a more mature approach.”

http://www.hitfix.com/news/miles-teller-i-get-that-people-already-hate-the-fantastic-four-reboot

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I don't have any idea if they'll release the trailer with Kingsman, but both A and B seem to fit this production. We have ample evidence that they're clueless and they don't understand the FF and intend to change the FF.

"I will say that this film that we made is not really for little kids, I don’t think. We do take a more mature approach.”

http://www.hitfix.com/news/miles-teller-i-get-that-people-already-hate-the-fantastic-four-reboot

Aye - I remember that quote and it disturbed me. Obviously we don't need dalmatians covering their eyes with their paws but if somebody can't figure out how to make a Fantastic Four film that the whole family can enjoy then they don't know WTF they are doing IMO.

 

[Dark Raven]

Aye - I remember that quote and it disturbed me. Obviously we don't need dalmatians covering their eyes with their paws but if somebody can't figure out how to make a Fantastic Four film that the whole family can enjoy then they don't know WTF they are doing IMO.

What's wrong with Dalmatians covering their eyes with their paws?

 

[fantasticfan]

Read in context, it sounds more like the film is intended to appeal to the long time Fantastic Four fans, but they also want it to appeal to "kids" today, who have NOT been reading the comics like his dad did as a child. He clarifies that it may not be suitable for "little kids."


(CBR) "Fantastic Four" star Miles Teller knows there are a lot of people expressing their displeasure online about director Josh Trank’s upcoming reboot, but he says he doesn’t “get too caught up in it.”

“I already know that people hate me for the fact that I’m playing Reed Richards and that we’re ruining their franchise,” he tells The Huffington Post. “It’s tough, because when you’re taking on a franchise that’s already been established, you do kind of owe something to the characters and to the creator. At the same time, you want to bring it to a fresh audience. My dad grew up with the 'Fantastic Four' comic book, and not a lot of kids did, so you also want to make a movie that they can enjoy. I will say that this film that we made is not really for little kids, I don’t think. We do take a more mature approach.”

 

[MadVillainy]

I doubt we'll get a trailer. If we do it'll be a MoS type teaser trailer that doesnt really show anything or like the TDK teaser when it was just the logo and dialouge

 

[Link]

Exactly....Fox4 fans of so desperate for a win that it sad.

Ant-man is still a day one ticket purchase for me and kids regardless.

Oh c'mon. Hardly anybody here is a) a "Fox4 fan" or b) looking for a win. Unless by a win you mean the movie not sucking.

The fact is both Marvel and Fox make good and bad CBM's. Ant-Man could be either one. FF could be either one. Both seem underwhelming so far though.

On a side note, i don't mind Donut getting banned. The most negative poster in the FF forum and most delusional "Marvel can't go wrong" fanboy. Impossible to discuss with someone who believes in studios, not in movies.

 

[def28]

Rating doesnt matter. People who watch PG13 superheroes also watch R rated movies too. They release R rated movie trailers in PG13 movies all the time. I remember seeing The Equalizer trailer in front of Guardians. I saw the trailer for American Sniper in front of Beyond the Lights

Im not saying it's the biggest audience, but in theory releasing a PG13 movie trailer in an R rated movie wouldnt be bad.

It just wouldn't be reaching teens and families. Which still seems like a mistake imo. Attaching an R trailer to a PG-13 fim works a bit differently, you see that more often cause the audience is wider and are not losing anyone. You do not see mainstream PG blockbusters launching with R films alot, if at all. A majority of kids and teens just won't see it, and usuall they want films capable of having a universal audience. The whole point of the trailer is for mass awareness, and to hit a wide demo similar to the said film. F4 should be pushed to families above all imo.

Sure they can always look it up online. But then the studio is expecting them to be interested already, and that's not the case with everyone.

 

[fantasticfan]

Couldn't a trailer be attached to several different movies?

 

[Endeavor]

Definitely
But how about an official picture first?


Question, when do y'all think they'll call for reshoots? Assuming any are done at I mean.
And if they don't call for any, what then? Isn't that the norm nowadays for a big production, like this one is supposed to be?

 

[MadVillainy]

It just wouldn't be reaching teens and families. Which still seems like a mistake imo. Attaching an R trailer to a PG-13 fim works a bit differently, you see that more often cause the audience is wider and are not losing anyone. You do not see mainstream PG blockbusters launching with R films alot, if at all. A majority of kids and teens just won't see it, and usuall they want films capable of having a universal audience. The whole point of the trailer is for mass awareness, and to hit a wide demo similar to the said film. F4 should be pushed to families above all imo.

Sure they can always look it up online. But then the studio is expecting them to be interested already, and that's not the case with everyone.

AS I said it really doesnt matter. We can discuss demographics and all that, but the evidence is there. Im sure Im not the only one who has seen a few PG13 rated trailers attached to R rated movies.

Kingsman trailers were shown in more than half of the movies I saw this summer including Guardians and Edge of Tomorrow. Equalizer had trailers to HOME that Dreamworks movie.

Especially in the case of Kingsman and FF. They share a lot of the same demos. Superhero movies have an extremely large/wide demographic. It wouldnt matter too much what they attach the trailer to. It'll be seen.

That all being said, as I said early, I doubt we'll get a trailer with Kingsman

 

[def28]

AS I said it really doesnt matter. We can discuss demographics and all that, but the evidence is there. It doesnt really matter.

Kingsman trailers were shown in more than half of the movies I saw this summer including Guardians and Edge of Tomorrow. Equalizer had trailers to HOME that Dreamworks movie.

Superhero movies have an extremely large demographic. It wouldnt matter too much what they attatch the trailer too. It'll be seen

What evidence? Your using R movie trailers attached to Pg-13 films. Not the opposite. Im pretty sure Home didn't get its first exclusive debute with The Equalizer. Im not saying they can't be shown with multiple films.

Im more curious on what blockbuster franchise PG-13 film trailers where first released with R rated films. If it's attached to everything be it R, PG, or PG13 that defeats the argument.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

The fact is both Marvel and Fox make good and bad CBM's. Ant-Man could be either one. FF could be either one. Both seem underwhelming so far though.

Impossible to discuss with someone who believes in studios, not in movies.

Marvel's track record in WAY better then Fox's, I mean please. And normally I'd agree with you about the whole "fans of studios" dynamic, but Marvel is a special case because their in business strictly to make Marvel films. That's not to say they shouldn't be critiqued, but the fact that the characters and success of those characters is the studios lifeblood, you can understand the more personal connection.

And I hope you took Donut to task when he was on here & called him out like you are now, otherwise it looks....

 

[MadVillainy]

What evidence? Your using R movie trailers attached to Pg-13 films. Not the opposite.

Im more curious on what PG-13 film trailers where first released with R rated films?

I said HOME a presumably PG rated movie was shown in front of the Equalizer. The only other ones I remember are that I saw Gone Girl trailer attached to DOFP and AoE. I feel like American Sniper was attached to quite a few things since Sept.

It's not that odd of an occurrence. Especially if theyre the same studio. And as I said, Kingsman and Fantastic Four have a very similar demo. Kingsman skews older, being R rated in all that.
I honestly don't know what trailer appears with what first. Since the first time I usually see a trailer is online. Would FOX release a trailer online first? Like to iTunes, Youtube or whatever?

 

[def28]

I said HOME a presumably PG rated movie was shown in front of the Equalizer. The only other ones I remember are that I saw Gone Girl trailer attached to DOFP and AoE. I feel like American Sniper was attached to quite a few things since Sept.

It's not that odd of an occurrence. Especially if theyre the same studio
:shurg:

Sorry, I edited that post.

My arguments not really if G or PG rated films can be shown with R rated films or vice versa. All trailers play everywhere eventually. Home didn't debut with the Equalizer only, and if it did that would have been a huge mistake in advertising.

Only having the F4 announcemnet trailer be attached to Kingsmen and not other films is odd. And very few if any blockbuster films try to limit their family audience like that. Again, I don't think there have been any pg-13 frnahicse films that premired with a R rated film. Maybe with films like the Matrix, but I can't remember. Otherwise it limits the awareness to one of their largest demos by alot.

If F4 was to be released with every film that week , then I don't see the issue. But only attaching it to an R rated film for it's debut would be a very rare occurrence in the superhero world, and not one that gets the word out as much as it could.

 

[fantasticfan]

Definitely



Question, when do y'all think they'll call for reshoots? Assuming any are done at I mean.
And if they don't call for any, what then? Isn't that the norm nowadays for a big production, like this one is supposed to be?

If you do a search on Twitter for Fantastic Four and "work" you will see a recent post; I saw one last week as well. Looks like they are underway in Baton Rouge now.

 

[Flint Marko]

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