The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

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Yep. We saw all that already before a few days ago. I think it was in the positive thread. I think it was shown to be fake or strongly believed to be fake, and the person deleted their posts (and possibly their account) as well.
 
Yep. We saw all that already before a few days ago. I think it was in the positive thread. I think it was shown to be fake or strongly believed to be fake, and the person deleted their posts (and possibly their account) as well.
Well, it sound somewhat positive (in a "not as crappy as I was expecting it to be" sense)
 
At the site that shall not be named, they have an article saying Matthew Vaughn director of Kingsman says the Fantastic Four movie is good.

Seriously people what is he suppose to say. That it sucked? What is that saying again, oh yeah. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you".

Also, a couple of points.

1. Even if he is telling the truth and it is a good movie, it does not necessarily mean it is a good "Fantastic Four" movie.

2. He calls the Fantastic Four movie "Good" and then turns around in the next part and calls the movie Chronicle "Fantastic". This leads me to believe that he himself does not think the Fantastic Four movie to be stellar and at the very most just okay.

3. He goes on to say "We're backing Josh Trank's vision" which to me suggests that the Fox people have talked to him about it and said to him that "we" need to lend our support.

This Fantastic Four movie is the Titanic and it is a sinking ship. The Captain of the ship (Fox) is telling the crew (basically anyone working for them) to keep the passengers (audience) calm. This wouldn't be the first movie where after the movie has been out in theaters the cast crew and others then speak their mind telling the truth about what a crap fest the movie really was and how they couldn't say anything before hand.

Surfer
 
people usually don't say "good" when they describe a movie they thought was well done imo... they say stuff like "It was alot of fun", "I really enjoyed it" or even "great" but "good" not really... at least in my experience. "good" sounds "meh" or deflated imo
 
I didn't get not one good vibe from what Vaughn said.

Congratulations, good sir! You have a functioning brain!

Dear Kirby, I hope Marvel really did get Spidey back. FF will be next in their sights.
 
Going back to The Amazing Spider-Man 2:

"I've read the script, and it's very very good. When I read the script, I cried." - Andrew Garfield

"I just wanted to do this movie because it had such a good script." - Dane DeHaan

"I had a good time working on TASM2, and it just had such a good script." - Shailene Woodley (after being cut from the movie)

"The script is very very good. I'm looking forward to it." - Emma Stone

And we all know how that movie turned out. So when I hear someone involved in a movie saying it is "good," I brush it off as something meaningless.
 
Yeah, there is just something about the word "Good" that to me always seems to emphasize a lack of a passionate response by the person using said word. To me "Good" might as well be swapped with the word "Okay" as both words would show just about the same amount of enthusiasm about the movie.

Surfer
 
Going back to The Amazing Spider-Man 2:

"I've read the script, and it's very very good. When I read the script, I cried." - Andrew Garfield

"I just wanted to do this movie because it had such a good script." - Dane DeHaan

"I had a good time working on TASM2, and it just had such a good script." - Shailene Woodley (after being cut from the movie)

"The script is very very good. I'm looking forward to it." - Emma Stone

And we all know how that movie turned out. So when I hear someone involved in a movie saying it is "good," I brush it off as something meaningless.

Honestly you can't really trust what anyone involved in the making of a film says about it because they have to try and put a positive spin on it. No one's going to say something like: "Yeah this movie sucks but at least I got paid to be in it." You really have to read between the lines and look at other things like body language and enthusiasm etc.
 
Dear Kirby, I hope Marvel really did get Spidey back. FF will be next in their sights.

Yeah I wish. But it looks like Sony has dismissed those rumors saying there is no validity to them whatsoever.
 
People have been saying: "This is just the way Fox does things. It's too early for any real promotion."

Up until yesterday, I thought that might have been true. Then I did a little bit of research into The Wolverine - a recent Fox Superhero film that has been compared to this one - and found the publicity machine was in high-gear by this point. We had official photos and some detailed interviews from cast and director.

Details here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30458081&postcount=21

Whether you're a Fantastic Four fan, Fox fan, comic book fan or just someone who enjoys a good film, there's no way you can look objectively at the lack of studio support for this film and say: "This is looking good!"
 
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People have been saying: "This is just the way Fox does things. It's too early for any real promotion."

Up until yesterday, I thought that might have been true. Then I did a little bit of research into The Wolverine - a recent low-budget Fox Superhero film - and found the publicity machine was in high-gear by this point. We had official photos and some detailed interviews from cast and director.

Details here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30458081&postcount=21

Whether you're a Fantastic Four fan, Fox fan, comic book fan or just someone who enjoys a good film, there's no way you can look objectively at the lack of studio support for this film and say: "This is looking good!"

That's always very clearly been a dodge.

Look at nearly any film of this type, and there'll be SOME KIND of promo material.

And before we inevitably get the "but it too early for trailer!!1!!!1", no one is talking about seeing a trailer this early. No one. Not a single person.

What we are talking about is seeing a poster, an official film still, promo images, a logo, the ****ing name of the movie.

So far, we have NONE OF THAT. And that is not a good thing.
 
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Yeah, there is just something about the word "Good" that to me always seems to emphasize a lack of a passionate response by the person using said word. To me "Good" might as well be swapped with the word "Okay" as both words would show just about the same amount of enthusiasm about the movie.

Surfer

It's like if you go to see a movie with friends who really wanted to see a film, or you go to a movie during a date and your date enjoyed it. When they ask you what you thought, you just nod your head politely and say "it was good" so as not to offend them and don't want to ruin their enjoyment of it. However, you don't say anything more enthusiastic like "I absolutely loved it" or "It was amazing. I really enjoyed that film."
 
People have been saying: "This is just the way Fox does things. It's too early for any real promotion."

Up until yesterday, I thought that might have been true. Then I did a little bit of research into The Wolverine - a recent Fox Superhero film that has been compared to this one - and found the publicity machine was in high-gear by this point. We had official photos and some detailed interviews from cast and director.

Details here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30458081&postcount=21

Whether you're a Fantastic Four fan, Fox fan, comic book fan or just someone who enjoys a good film, there's no way you can look objectively at the lack of studio support for this film and say: "This is looking good!"


This IS looking good. The latest review by Vaughn makes it sound like he's so excited for this movie and has therefore made me even more excited. I'm going to see this movie 10 times!!! :p
 
Just playing Devil's advocate for a sec for the sake of conversation, if the whole Trank trashing Baton Rouge thing was real, I would think we would see blog posts and tweets amd facebook posts and news reports about it from extras and bystanders no? In this social media age you cant conceal a public incident like that, especially if it really was hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage, unless I guess if it was some sort of closed set with very few people there.
 
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Just playing Devil's advocate for a sec for the sake of conversation, if the whole Trank trashing Baton Rouge thing was real, I would think we would see blog posts and tweets amd facebook posts and news reports about it from extras and bystanders no? In this social media age you cant conceal a public incident like that, especially if it really was hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage, unless I guess if it was some sort of closed set with very few people there.

It was an extremely closed set. In this social media age you also expect to see unofficial set pics, tweets and reports of other filming activity, but we haven't at all.
 
Just playing Devil's advocate for a sec for the sake of conversation, if the whole Trank trashing Baton Rouge thing was real, I would think we would see blog posts and tweets amd facebook posts and news reports about it from extras and bystanders no? In this social media age you cant conceal a public incident like that, especially if it really was hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage, unless I guess if it was some sort of closed set with very few people there.

If, hypothetically, it were true, I would expect it to be fairly quiet. Those who have direct knowledge of it likely work for Fox and want to keep their jobs and want this film to do well. And even those who have left will not want to show themselves to be the sort of people who spread rumors (what other studios would hire someone like that?). People would also be concerned about liability issues for anything they say. And if there actually was a substance abuse issue involved, most people are not going to want to talk trash and destroy someone's career over something like that.

But we have seen reports from people in the area - just nothing directly from anyone who actually is working on the film.

On the other hand, if it weren't true (at least in part), I would expect Trank to say something. This is his reputation being smeared. I would also expect the studio to do something - they don't have to address it directly, all they would need to do is post a photo of Trank working on the film (we see these for other productions all the time, so it wouldn't be anything unusual).

If I had to speculate (and what else do we have to do around here?) I would say that there is a lot of conflict between Trank and the studio at this point ( probably related to a number of different items and all or most of the rumors could be false or exaggerated or taken out of context ). I suspect that his role has been greatly reduced, but he still may be active enough. And he is probably still collecting a paycheck so that the studio can claim he hasn't been 'fired'.

If the situation was better than that, I'd expect to see something to indicate that. The process of selling films for 2015 is in full swing, and every day that Fox doesn't do anything to promote this film ( and actually allows the information void to be filled with extremely negative press ), is a day that they are losing potential film-goers.

Even if this is an absolutely great film, it's going to have an uphill battle surviving in this environment.
 
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LOL

We are basically in the same place with this film that we were six months ago. Weirdest thing I have ever seen.
 
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That's a nice summary. Maybe the rumors are true, maybe they're not, but whether the rumors are true or not, Fox is not standing behind this film and doing ANYTHING to make us believe they believe in it.

That's far more troubling than any vague rumor could ever be.
I'm trying to think of this from an "Evil FOX CORP's" perspective on how they plan on spinning this.

They have no problem using the race card (Fox of all people) So perhaps they'd rather the negative talk continue and be "Infamous" as opposed to the reboot being completely "irrelevant". These are the same people who made a rape scandal go away....

Sadly the hard part for them is done which is making a film and releasing it before the deadline. It'll likely do meh numbers but Fox clearly doesn't care since it's a Meh budget anyway... They just throw another Fox-men spin-off on the fire to pacify the majority and do it all over again.
 
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LOL

We are basically in the same place with this film that we were six months ago. Weirdest thing I have ever seen.

It's so insane that it is kinda "fantastic" to watch!
 
"If you like Chronicle, then you’ll like this", I'd rather he said something like "If you like the Fantastic Four, then you will love this"

"Like", such a bland word in this context. "then you will like this", sounds like "you won't hate it", "you will be ok with it"
 
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