The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

[Paste Pot Pete]

Yeah, I think Ledger's very specific, very unique portrayal really changed the playing field. Had it been a broader performance, I'd say recasting would still be in the cards. But the movieverse Joker is so entirely the creation of Heath Ledger, that it transcends the comic character. It goes from like recasting James Bond to recasting Daniel Plainview in "There Will Be More Blood".

 

[DSET]

Yeah, I think Ledger's very specific, very unique portrayal really changed the playing field. Had it been a broader performance, I'd say recasting would still be in the cards. But the movieverse Joker is so entirely the creation of Heath Ledger, that it transcends the comic character. It goes from like recasting James Bond to recasting Daniel Plainview in "There Will Be More Blood".

DAniel DAY as the RIDDLER

OH BABY!!!

seriously if there is ever a DKR movie he would make a great Old Joker
hell he could even be an Old Batman
one of the best actors there is!!!

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Yes, he'd definitely be great as just about anyone. Doubtful though, as I'm pretty sure (if memory serves me right) he turned down the role of Ra's.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Out of Curiosity, what villians are you hoping to see if Nolan Does more than 3 Movies? Other than Scarecrow, Joker and Two-Face.

Well, I'm not sure about the "more than 3 movies" part, but regarding the final piece of Nolan, Bale, & Goyer's trilogy...

I wouldn't mind seeing Clayface, although ideally, I'd prefer the final entry focus more on Batman & Two-Face than anyone else. I think it'd be cool to have Harvey and his personal conflict as the centerpiece of the final act, similar to the Joker serving that role in "The Dark Knight". Bruce could try and save him from insanity, only to have it go horribly wrong, and Two-Face becomes even worse as a result.

 

[turtlefocker]

Cool.

As for the third films villain: CAT WOMAN


...

...or Mr.Freeze.

 

[DSET]

Yes, he'd definitely be great as just about anyone. Doubtful though, as I'm pretty sure (if memory serves me right) he turned down the role of Ra's.

wow I never knew that, that sucks

but then again the role of Ra's wasnt sucha great or dynamic one

riddler\ could should be

most definately an adaptaion of Miller TDKR as old batman or old joker would be a prestige role to take on

 

[lixdexia]

Cool.

As for the third films villain: CAT WOMAN


...

...or Mr.Freeze.

i'm cool with catowna showing up, but i SEVERELY hope that they don't do freeze

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

My only issue with Two-Face being the primary villain of movie 3 is...what would he be doing for the whole movie?

Odds are his personal vendettas against Joker & Maroni or whoever are settled by the end of TDK.

I can't see Harvey just becoming the straightforward villain like he is in the comics, robbing places with "2" in the name and stuff.

 

[LiveWire777]

If Nolan really wanted 2 f**k with our heads he could make the Riddler like the Jigsaw characer from the saw movies.

 

[The Joker]

My only issue with Two-Face being the primary villain of movie 3 is...what would he be doing for the whole movie?

Odds are his personal vendettas against Joker & Maroni or whoever are settled by the end of TDK.

All his vendettas were settled at the end of the Long Halloween. They can can up with a decent script for him in a third movie.

 

[lixdexia]

My only issue with Two-Face being the primary villain of movie 3 is...what would he be doing for the whole movie?

Odds are his personal vendettas against Joker & Maroni or whoever are settled by the end of TDK.

I can't see Harvey just becoming the straightforward villain like he is in the comics, robbing places with "2" in the name and stuff.

i figure he's trying to take down the whole mob in the 3rd, but yeah, still not all that dynamic. i really hope catwoman makes it in as a love intrest/villian/ anti-hero. i'd also like to see cobblepot show up as a mobster, with a revoler hidden in his umbrella just for kicks

 

[JokerLedger]

My real issue with bringing The Joker back is, naturally, the fact that Heath Ledger can't portray him again. Sure, there's a recast option, and that's fine and dandy... but this was a version of The Joker that Ledger put his heart into, and really helped make his own. This wasn't simply The Joker. It was Heath Ledger's Joker. And someone else playing that just doesn't seem right, not to mention the fact that if Joker were radically changed for the third film, it'd be ignoring the continuity of TDK... which, again, isn't great ground to tread.

Sure, The Joker is bigger than any actor. I get that. And I want The Joker to return in a future franchise. But the real question is, is the Nolanverse's Joker bigger than Ledger, the man who really made it his own?

To make-up for Heath's absence as the joker in a third movie, I came up with this idea of bringing him back as the red hood and the have the joker reveal at the very end. I think that would be very interesting. That way we'll have the joker without it actually being the joker if you get what I'm saying

 

[Cagefighterkip]

Cool. As for the third films villain: CAT WOMAN

i remember a rumor late last year on comics2film.com about a Catwoman reference in TDK... so who knows?

 

[CrypticOne]

Alright, my reasoning for not wanting Catwoman in the third Batman is actually quite simple.

Batman Begins - The birth of Batman, the mob is running Gotham, Batman comes to clean Gotham up, takes out one crime boss, Arkham is set lose, some are captured and put back. Introduced to the Joker.

The Dark Knight - Batman now has a leash on the mob, they can't do anything, they are by no means out of the picture though, they are still in Gotham. (I don't know why someone said they were all gone a couple pages back). And I'm pretty sure they run some things. The Joker is introduced and "helps" the mob with Batman. And according to the trailers, the Joker gives Batman quite the run for his money. D.A. Harvey Dent is also rooting out the organized crime in Gotham, but is changed into Two Face, thus everything basically falls apart, and we don't know what happens to Rachel Dawes, but I'm pretty sure most of us know her fate.

So when all this happens, with the Joker destorying Gotham and causing Batman quite the headache, with the fates of Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes, the two frontrunners of stopping organized crime in Gotham, I'm pretty sure the mob will become powerful once again, maybe not to their all powerful self, but maybe they regain some power.

Now....some of you guys on here want Catwoman to become the side-by-side villain along with Two-Face for the third movie....now think about that for second please. Catwoman? Two-Face? And all the things that have happened in Begins and TDK....and for a third movie we are blessed with Catwoman's presence? Now come on people! Let's play it smart here.

You can't just put Catwoman in there, especially when you know what happens in TDK.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I don't think Catwoman should be the villain in part 3. But I wouldn't be too opposed to her coming in as a love interest. She's basically the last of the core "Year One" players in the Batman cast of characters that Nolan has to introduce into his series.

 

[escobar2248]

Alright, my reasoning for not wanting Catwoman in the third Batman is actually quite simple.

Batman Begins - The birth of Batman, the mob is running Gotham, Batman comes to clean Gotham up, takes out one crime boss, Arkham is set lose, some are captured and put back. Introduced to the Joker.

The Dark Knight - Batman now has a leash on the mob, they can't do anything, they are by no means out of the picture though, they are still in Gotham. (I don't know why someone said they were all gone a couple pages back). And I'm pretty sure they run some things. The Joker is introduced and "helps" the mob with Batman. And according to the trailers, the Joker gives Batman quite the run for his money. D.A. Harvey Dent is also rooting out the organized crime in Gotham, but is changed into Two Face, thus everything basically falls apart, and we don't know what happens to Rachel Dawes, but I'm pretty sure most of us know her fate.

So when all this happens, with the Joker destorying Gotham and causing Batman quite the headache, with the fates of Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes, the two frontrunners of stopping organized crime in Gotham, I'm pretty sure the mob will become powerful once again, maybe not to their all powerful self, but maybe they regain some power.

Now....some of you guys on here want Catwoman to become the side-by-side villain along with Two-Face for the third movie....now think about that for second please. Catwoman? Two-Face? And all the things that have happened in Begins and TDK....and for a third movie we are blessed with Catwoman's presence? Now come on people! Let's play it smart here.

You can't just put Catwoman in there, especially when you know what happens in TDK.

Basically, the Catwoman we all love (at least I do) is a cocktease to Batman and a pretty damn good thief. If she has as much screentime as Crane/Scarecrow in BB then I will be very happy. I want her to be a villain, but one that we all adore. One that robs the mobsters/rich people blind, tease Batman with her T&A when he tries to stop her and all at the same time have an akward relationship with Wayne.

Then again, maybe I am in the minority.

 

[Batman]

I don't see Catwoman as a 'villain' more than an unaffiliated ally. She's a thief, but relatively harmless to innocent people. It's the mob that she has no problem taking on, which could prove to be an interesting source of conflict for Batman: Because while she is a criminal in his eyes, and a constant source of agitation with numerous successful robberies, he knows that his morality won't allow for him to see anyone killed, even if it means one less criminal in the world. So he constantly has to go out of his way to protect her, and eventually, she could be forced to do the same with him as he battles Two-Face.

Honestly, I don't see much of a reason why Selina and Catwoman wouldn't work in this franchise. It's just a matter of developing the character in a way that isn't cheap or tacked on, while still keeping the focus on Bruce.

 

[Jokers Smile]

I really don't want the Joker back for the 3rd film. It looks like Lefger has given an epic performance for the role and i don't want it destroyed byt the character being re-cast.

It's a shame that Nolan want's to distance from Batman as son as the 3rd film is finished as he does the films so well.

I've always wanted to see Mr Freeze done properly and played by Patrick Steward. Eckart looks like he'll be good as Two face but i can't see them making a whole film around him and the Cat woman character doesn't interest me.

Part of me thinks tey should have the Riddler back in number 3 as he and Two face hwere a good duo in Batman Forever i felt

 

[Keyser Soze]

I don't see Catwoman as a 'villain' more than an unaffiliated ally. She's a thief, but relatively harmless to innocent people. It's the mob that she has no problem taking on, which could prove to be an interesting source of conflict for Batman: Because while she is a criminal in his eyes, and a constant source of agitation with numerous successful robberies, he knows that his morality won't allow for him to see anyone killed, even if it means one less criminal in the world. So he constantly has to go out of his way to protect her, and eventually, she could be forced to do the same with him as he battles Two-Face.

Honestly, I don't see much of a reason why Selina and Catwoman wouldn't work in this franchise. It's just a matter of developing the character in a way that isn't cheap or tacked on, while still keeping the focus on Bruce.

Good post. And I think that, [BLACKOUT]if Rachel dies[/BLACKOUT], a tentative relationship with Selina Kyle could be the next stage in development for Bruce Wayne. He's agonising over whether or not its too soon to fall for Selina, meanwhile they're both fighting each other in their respective alter egos.

But while Batman and Catwoman are initially enemies, that doesn't mean she has to be the villain. Perhaps Catwoman falls foul of Two-Face and whatever other villains appear in the film, forcing her into an uneasy alliance with Batman against them.

I just think that if part 1 was Batman Begins, and part 2 is Joker Begins, then part 3 should be Catwoman Begins. As though I wouldn't rank her among my personal favourites, I recognise that she is very important to the Batman mythos. And like was mentioned earlier, she's one of the few characters iconic enough to generate buzz the way The Joker did. I can almost imagine a Catwoman tease at the end of "The Dark Knight", in the vein of the Joker card from "Begins".

 

[SalaciousVC]

Lookey,Larger Promo Pic

 

[Schlosser85]

How do you think The Joker keeps getting goons? Do you think he pays them with the stolen mob money? Or are they people driven insane by fear gas/escaped Arkham inmates that he manipulates into following him, like the one in the sides who says something about how the boss said he would replace the pain with bright lights like Christmas.

 

[CaptainClown]

How do you think The Joker keeps getting goons? Do you think he pays them with the stolen mob money? Or are they people driven insane by fear gas/escaped Arkham inmates that he manipulates into following him, like the one in the sides who says something about how the boss said he would replace the pain with bright lights like Christmas.

I believe there was a comic that addressed this and the exchange of dialogue went something like
"why do you work for the joker?"
"he pays really really really well"

 

[kid bosco]

If Nolan really wanted 2 f**k with our heads he could make the Riddler like the Jigsaw characer from the saw movies.

In that case, BRING ON THE RIDDLER!!

 

[darknight7]

So supposedly Joker is written out of the third movie?

Is this the topic which is being discussed? Or has anyone heard of this?

--dk7

 

[Ama Zing]

It would make sense for Joker to be written out of the third movie, that's for sure.