The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

[SalaciousVC]

 

[blk_spidey]

wow that's awesome

 

[Kaizer]

"Batman Dead?" Probably the fake batman that they find hung.

 

[S.D. Plissken]

This is awesome....and yes, Joker looks aged beyond his years.....I suspect a hard partying lifestyle.

This reminds me of an earlier conversation in this thread regarding what kind of music Joker would listen to.

In light of these new findings, I'm going to say he's a Dr. Rockzo fan.

His favorite song? The 1987 Rockzo hit "I'm Just a Rock n Roll Clown"

Check it out on youtube....it rocks.

 

[SonikDeath]

Thats a great shot, looks scary, probably cover the whole screen when u see the movie. t:

 

[Nepenthes]

I don't think think Joker would take joy in any music. Anything that other people have worked hard at, anything approaching beauty or art he'll probably find repugnant and pointless. He'd use it as part of a joke i.e. dancing to Mozart or whatever, but he'd probably rather listen to traffic or television static. Music is something that people have ordered together. that's how I think of it.

 

[CaptainClown]

Nah he seems like a music lover, and up to date with many modern things like movies and such.

 

[TheBatman072]

I don't think think Joker would take joy in any music. Anything that other people have worked hard at, anything approaching beauty or art he'll probably find repugnant and pointless. He'd use it as part of a joke i.e. dancing to Mozart or whatever, but he'd probably rather listen to traffic or television static. Music is something that people have ordered together. that's how I think of it.

I can see him listening to Beyond the Sea by Bobby Darin and music like that.


I don't know why. Just seems to fit.

 

[Nepenthes]

Two separate reviews have mentioned that the Joker had a drunk dad who may have cut him. No seriously. From the guy on Rotten Tomatoes and now AICN. I would have never expected this. WTF. The RT guys says the Joker tells differing stories to his victims, so maybe it is unreliable. But a drunk dad? that's still pretty lame

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[Nightmare]

Wow his dad cut his face?

 

[Nepenthes]

That's what two different reviews are saying, yeah. If it's part of an unreliable origin thing that's cool, but still I would've hoped they could come up with better hypotheticals. Right now I think it would actually take a lot of power out of the Joker. Alot of people have drunk abusive dads, it's horrible of course, but it doesn't make you paint your face and blow up hospitals. This is gonna give ammo to the anti-realizms mob, and rightfully so.

 

[mattyt81]

maybe if people ask him what happened to make him the way he is, he just says whatever comes to mind at the time. the line about his father could just be something he makes up on the spot. That would make it go along with the "If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice"
line from The Killing Joke

 

[DSET]

The cuts being from his father doesnt neccesairily mean that is what drives him over the edge

it could be that he wigged out and killed his dad
etc etc
could be anything, could even be random **** borrowed from
TKJ maybe his wife dies and an incident afterwards sets him over the top or vice versa

point is based on the RT review which looks legit
hes justs throwing stories in teh air on purpose to throw his victims and the audience off(something I can easily see nolan doing (more credit to the RT review guy) with all the people upset over his origins and permawhite skin, Nolans awnswer is just a bunch of random stories that Joker tells people to leave you guessing, its a great move by Nolan IMO)
lol again point is
we dont know 100% that it was done by his dad if the review is legit we dont know how it occurs, the assumption of how it occurs is even greater than knowing because Im sure we can all think up something more horrific than the next.

 

[laudanum09]

i think the reviewer, con-man or not, is trying to say that he gives more than one story implying that its like the 'multiple choice' past a la killing joke. if its true and its executed properly, like in multiple different contexts, he says different things. he might give one story to a victim, another to gordon, another to batman etc. i doubt this would be in the film if it wasnt meant to be vague and joker lying, mocking others etc. but then again, it might not be in the film and that guy is full of poopy. either way, i trust nolan not to screw it up too bad.

 

[ronny]

I don't think think Joker would take joy in any music. Anything that other people have worked hard at, anything approaching beauty or art he'll probably find repugnant and pointless. He'd use it as part of a joke i.e. dancing to Mozart or whatever, but he'd probably rather listen to traffic or television static. Music is something that people have ordered together. that's how I think of it.

Strange you mention that. I heard a story of a man who killed his entire family. When the cops found him he was sitting in the dark and watching television static. He said it was the only thing that made any sense to him.
Maybe The Joker would think in the same abstract terms. Personally I see him as the kind of guy who would use classical music - not because he enjoys it - but because it's theatrical and supports his image as the Einstein of Crime.
Although I agree, he must hate music and things like that. He's a bitter, warped man. He's always on the outside and despises those with friends or fellowships or any real joy in their lives.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Two separate reviews have mentioned that the Joker had a drunk dad who may have cut him. No seriously. From the guy on Rotten Tomatoes and now AICN. I would have never expected this. WTF. The RT guys says the Joker tells differing stories to his victims, so maybe it is unreliable. But a drunk dad? that's still pretty lame.

More specifically, though, it's Harvey Dent's origin. Not the cutting. But the abusive father who planted the early seeds of psychosis. An aspect of Dent's backstory that has been removed in this film by having his father die when Harvey was very young.

I too hope that the abusive father story is just one of many he tells. Make it a "running joke", of sorts...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

ye if remember correctly in the comics the joker prefered his past to be "multiple choice". maybe he just comes out with different stories for the sake of it.

 

[The Joker]

In the BTAS story, Mad Love, when Joker was duping Harley in Arkham when she was his doctor, he told her his father was an abusive drunk who used to beat him up.

 

[terry78]

In the BTAS story, Mad Love, when Joker was duping Harley in Arkham when she was his doctor, he told her his father was an abusive drunk who used to beat him up.

That one was just a ploy too, apparently.

Harley: (about The Joker) He told me things. Secret things he never told anyone.
Batman: Was it his line about the abusive father or the one about the run away mom? He's gained a lot of sympathy with that one.
Harley: Stop it! You're making me confused.
Batman: What was it he told that one parole officer? Oh yes. "There was only one time I ever saw Dad really happy. He took me to the ice show when I was seven."
Harley: (starts to cry) Circus. He said it was the circus.
Batman: He's got a million of them, Harley

 

[Eggyman]

In the BTAS story, Mad Love, when Joker was duping Harley in Arkham when she was his doctor, he told her his father was an abusive drunk who used to beat him up.

Hahaha looks like he's about to lay the sob story down thick in your avy.

 

[Gianakin_]

How random could the RT guy be about this particular Joker trait? Damnit, I want these reviews to be true.

 

[S.D. Plissken]

ye if remember correctly in the comics the joker prefered his past to be "multiple choice". maybe he just comes out with different stories for the sake of it.

Yeah, I think he just ********s people openly because it adds mystery to his persona, and it makes it impossible to figure out who he really is.

I think it's better that way.

 

[Kaizer]

I take the "abusive father"-story as Joker's sense of humor, it's just such a standard story that he's decided to use it as his own.

I can see it going something like this; everyone is trying to figure out who this guy is, and he becomes all vulnerable "my father used to beat me...yada yada yada"

then BAM, you're dead

 

[Eggyman]

'DAaaddy, Daddy wasn't there, to take me to the fair, to change my underwear . . .'

 

[Gianakin_]

'DAaaddy, Daddy wasn't there, to take me to the fair, to change my underwear . . .'

How funny would it be if Joker told Alfred the daddy story and Alfred retorts "Got an issue? Here's a tissue!"?