The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

[Sharkboy]

Heath Ledger's performance is going to be Oscar-worthy.

There, I said it. And I can live with being labeled as ridiculous.

Its not that ridiculous! From what we've all heard about in various reviews and such, Ledgers performance is legendary. Although sad to say if he does get an oscar nom, it would probably be a result of his death and not just his performance. Those Oscar snobs love them a good story.

 

[Nivek]

Here is something I just read on CNN, more of whats already been talked about.

AP/CNN Story on Ledgers final role

 

[Gianakin_]

What donk, Caleb and others are saying (and I agree) is directed to people who use the "You haven't seen the whole film, so don't judge" argument one-sidedly.

When you haven't seen the film, you can't be sure about certain positives or the negatives, so you can't really shush anyone who points them out by using the argument above.

 

[ronny]

So then, before The Dark Knight has begun The Joker is already on a warpath.
Let's see, he killed that family at the theme park. Even hung the father from a ferris wheel.
And now I believe the implication is that he murdered two Mafia guys and tied their bodies to a see-saw in a childrens playground.
I've heard people suggest that the methods of murder are not theatric enough. But from these hints I feel that it is just right. It's not going to be mega-gory but I think that this Joker will still kill people in abnormally imaginative and cruel ways.

 

[Yurka]

Here is something I just read on CNN, more of whats already been talked about.

AP/CNN Story on Ledgers final role

How is it that reviews dont get in trouble for plagarism? I read the EXACT SAME review from a finnish site earlier.

 

[Gianakin_]

Not trying to shush anyone. Just pointing out that Heath's going to be spectacular.

Sue me.

No need for the attitude, especially since my post wasn't directed at you, if you read more closely.

 

[Nivek]

How is it that reviews dont get in trouble for plagarism? I read the EXACT SAME review from a finnish site earlier.

It is an Associated Press story, I just noticed the same damn thing is all over the professional reviews thread.

I dont want to sound like a jerk, but doesn't all this Ledger praise come off as kinda over the top? I can understand the typical fanboy "Ledger should get an Oscar" stuff, but when I hear it from the supposed mainstream press, it comes off as pretty heavy handed. Makes me wonder if Heath was alive, if the praise would be the same?

 

[sasquatchs]

Without any credibility having not seen the film, I guess the praise would still be gushing, we'd just be spared that tiresome lead-in to every article and it wouldn't come off as so mawkish

 

[Nivek]

It just seems pretty, I dunno, morbid (for lack of a better description) to be leg humping the guy so much.

 

[Gianakin_]

If your post wasn't directed at me, then I apologize accordingly. It seemed as though by the "above" comment you were referring to my argument.

I posted "the above argument", which was referring to the argument I had written in the 1st paragraph of my same post. No problemo, though.

 

[Gianakin_]

Simple misunderstanding, then. And a Star Wars fan, eh? Me, too. ROTS is awesome.

Damn straight!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i watched rots in the cinema when i was on magic mushrooms and i thought it was the greatest thing ever! but when i watched it on dvd i was slightly dissapointed.

 

[terry78]

I honestly hope Jokester has a funny one-liner during that above scene where Bats grabs him.

 

[PaleHuman]

hey does Ledger wear the same face/scarring prosthetics in every scene/pic we have seen so far? i dont know what it is but sometimes he looks different.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

I'm not a Heath obsessee like some of the people around here, but I still feel it's disrespectful to assume that the praise he is getting is even due to his recent demise. That is not fair and it is undermining his talent and hardwork. Why are people being so spiteful?

 

[Bat-Mite]

I'm not a Heath obsessee like some of the people around here, but I still feel it's disrespectful to assume that the praise he is getting is even due to his recent demise. That is not fair and it is undermining his talent and hardwork. Why are people being so spiteful?

Some of the spiteful folks have wanted this movie to fail from the beginning, simply because they disliked Batman Begins, or disliked what they saw when the Joker was revealed (even though everything we've seen since has been a far cry from that horrible picture). Everybody's different and of course there are various reasons why, but I'm just saying that's what I've seen with a number of the haters. But yeah, plenty of folks have no intention of giving this movie (and its actors) the benefit of the doubt and will always assume the worst.

 

[Aidan2209]

Some of the spiteful folks have wanted this movie to fail from the beginning, simply because they disliked Batman Begins, or disliked what they saw when the Joker was revealed (even though everything we've seen since has been a far cry from that horrible picture). Everybody's different and of course there are various reasons why, but I'm just saying that's what I've seen with a number of the haters. But yeah, plenty of folks have no intention of giving this movie (and its actors) the benefit of the doubt and will always assume the worst.

The only thing that matters is people's reactions after seeing the movie. Right now we can only be ridiculously excited, like me, or sceptical, like donk. But our comments about how good or bad the movie is are almost totally unfounded at this point.

 

[sasquatchs]

I wonder if the Joker's going to show any vulnerability in this film? There's a moment in B89 that I love where Bruce Wayne goes nuts in front of Joker, and for a moment you see he's not quite in control of things. Of course it's all a pretty different situation with Burton showing the before and after, this time he's more of a monster without explanation. It still might be nice for him not to have the upper hand over Batman 100% of the time, Batman getting a slight handle on him. Obviously physically he will but I don't really want Bats just to be a brute

 

[calibud]

I wonder if the Joker's going to show any vulnerability in this film? There's a moment in B89 that I love where Bruce Wayne goes nuts in front of Joker, and for a moment you see he's not quite in control of things.

I love that scene! I always thought Joker felt out-crazied for a moment there.

Anywho...The cast of Begins was what sparked an interest in a new Batman film. I don't know if anyone was excited that Bale was going to play Bruce, or that Oldman would be Gordon. There were no performances that stood out in any of the BB trailers except that Bale was entirely capable of the role.

That is SO NOT THE CASE with TDK though. Everyone's familiar with the returning cast, but Nolan/Ledger's performance is what's gotten so much attention. Batman is a good hook, but this whacked interpretation of the Joker has everyone intrigued. To say that the actor's death is why everyone loves what they've seen so far is ridiculously unfair. If he were alive everyone would care less/be unenthused? Please. Did anyone see There Will Be Blood? Did anyone see it NOT because of the bits of Day-Lewis's performance in the trailers? I love P.T. Anderson as a director, but every word Daniel spoke in those previews were what hooked me into actually seeing the film.

It's the same case here. More than one review has advocated a post-humous Oscar. We commoners can't make a concrete judgement on the performance for a couple of fridays, but we're still jazzed to see Heath's Joker, right?

 

[regwec]

I love that scene! I always thought Joker felt out-crazied for a moment there.

An interesting moment, and mirrored by the moment when Vale kneels down to (apparently) suck his ****. The Joker looks bemused at genuinely unexpected behaviour.

 

[escobar2248]

How is it that reviews dont get in trouble for plagarism? I read the EXACT SAME review from a finnish site earlier.

It's an AP story. News outlets all over the world buy their "service" to get content from them and publish it in whatever medium they use. (magazine, newspaper, website, etc.)

 

[LiveWire777]

i watched rots in the cinema when i was on magic mushrooms and i thought it was the greatest thing ever! but when i watched it on dvd i was slightly dissapointed.

Did that for Iron Man. Two words NEVER AGAIN

 

[Yurka]

It's an AP story. News outlets all over the world buy their "service" to get content from them and publish it in whatever medium they use. (magazine, newspaper, website, etc.)

Yeah I have recently learned this. So instead of blatant plagiarism, its like those sites where you can buy already written term papers on the subject you chose.

 

[Banquet]

Yeah I have recently learned this. So instead of blatant plagiarism, its like those sites where you can buy already written term papers on the subject you chose.

Except instead of a term paper handed to a teacher it is an article published on various news mediums where people can read the article and be informed by their preferred news source, and the same story isn't written over a thousand times and those involved don't have to be interviewed over and over for the same reason.

 

[hame4479]

Did that for Iron Man. Two words NEVER AGAIN

did that for SW Episode II, three words. Coolest experience ever, there is just something about watching a cg driven movie why you are frying your balls off that is just out of this world.