The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

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Why So Serious is a brilliant track. So scattered and disorganised. The underlying rhythm is almost like the kind of jingling tone you'd find at a carnival. The Joker is completely unpredictable and so his theme is littered with strange little noises and discrepancies.
Truly fantastic work.
 
I love that shot of the goon's poorly patched up stomach with the mobile phone under the skin.
Nolan realy gets it. The Joker is as cruel to his "employees" as he is to his enemies. I mean, from the script leak it's cear his henchman/bomb has mental problems. And The Joker used that to reel him in and take advantage of the guy.
Let's hope the "birhg lights, like Christmas!" line will still be in the movie. I love that.
 
I love that shot of the goon's poorly patched up stomach with the mobile phone under the skin.
Nolan realy gets it. The Joker is as cruel to his "employees" as he is to his enemies. I mean, from the script leak it's cear his henchman/bomb has mental problems. And The Joker used that to reel him in and take advantage of the guy.
Let's hope the "birhg lights, like Christmas!" line will still be in the movie. I love that.

I really want to know how he got that Thug to eat that phone (bomb) Knowing the joker he probally just shoved it down the guys mouth.
 
I really want to know how he got that Thug to eat that phone (bomb) Knowing the joker he probally just shoved it down the guys mouth.

He didn't eat it. The Joker (I'm assuming) cut him open, stuck it in there, then sewed him back shut.
 
i dont no if this has been discussed, but i was watchin various batman animated series episodes with the joker in them, and it got me thinking, would u like it if The Joker calls batman, either batsy, or bats, or both in this film or do u think it would sound stupid from a film like this
 
i dont no if this has been discussed, but i was watchin various batman animated series episodes with the joker in them, and it got me thinking, would u like it if The Joker calls batman, either batsy, or bats, or both in this film or do u think it would sound stupid from a film like this
I have heard many people say this in real life in an attempt for it to sound cool and capture that feeling from TAS. However I have never heard anybody say it without it sounding forced.
 
I have heard many people say this in real life in an attempt for it to sound cool and capture that feeling from TAS. However I have never heard anybody say it without it sounding forced.

that is true, but could it work in a film like this without it sounding force or even kinda lame
 
that is true, but could it work in a film like this without it sounding force or even kinda lame
Well there is no way of knowing if it would work or wouldn't. I personally feel it doesn't work well with this Joker simply because he is a different type of playful. TAS Joker seemed to be more prankster who kills vs. TDK Joker which is a Killer who plays pranks.
 
Well there is no way of knowing if it would work or wouldn't. I personally feel it doesn't work well with this Joker simply because he is a different type of playful. TAS Joker seemed to be more prankster who kills vs. TDK Joker which is a Killer who plays pranks.

yea i see what u mean, i tried picturing it in my head but no matter how good he does the joker voice, it just doesnt sound right, i can see why that is though now, ur saying tas joker is more of a tame playful character, but ledgers joker is just a down right pyschotic character in his true form and nature
 
I think TAS Joker is just as vicious and insane (even though you don't see it) except he presents himself as a harmless prankster who likes to have fun. TDK Joker looks like he would stab you just to see how much you would bleed, his priorities are not in his looks or attitude but more of doing what he wants. If he wants to be playful he can be playful but stuff like Batsy doesn't sound like something he would say.
 
I think TAS Joker is just as vicious and insane (even though you don't see it) except he presents himself as a harmless prankster who likes to have fun. TDK Joker looks like he would stab you just to see how much you would bleed, his priorities are not in his looks or attitude but more of doing what he wants. If he wants to be playful he can be playful but stuff like Batsy doesn't sound like something he would say.

yea good point, i remember that now when i watchd batman beyond return of the joker when he made bruce watch how he tortured robin and twisted his mind, for a minute it creeped me out
 
sorry it's been mention already, but i saw a commercial for a E! true hollywood story Heath Ledger airing on Friday didn't get the time but i sure it's around seven or eight
 
Anyone have a high-res shot of the party scene, where Joker is giving the old dude 'the look' right before he grabs him?

Preferably not in widescreen, if possible!
 
Hello Hype, I've been lurking here for an exceedingly long time (pre-Begins days) but never had anything to impart. Now, I actually have a couple notes I'd like to raise.

First of all, this could have already been discussed, and I apologize if that's the case, but the DK forum is far too expansive to follow everything and my search terms would be much too ambiguous for me to really know for sure, so here goes:

It was mentioned pretty early on by Michael Caine (I think) that the Joker puts on makeup and "just leaves it on - never takes it off."

However, it's clear from the stills that his makeup is not only constantly retouched, but completely removed at one point (funeral scene) and reapplied in later scenes further in the chronology.

During the interrogation scene, which we pretty much know is early on in the movie, the makeup is smeared and in fact missing on a large part of his forehead. Looking at stills from later in the movie, you can see that it's been retouched at the very least, or possibly reapplied altogether.

These could be plain old continuity issues, funeral scene not withstanding, but I sorta doubt it. Not in this movie.

Caine's comments were actually substantial because, to me anyway, his explanation of the makeup was another bit of insight into the Joker's psychosis. He's not a guy who wakes up every day and does his makeup - he's a guy who just doesn't much care for washing up. For better or worse - that's debatable.

Do we have a final verdict on this situation? It would seem that Caine's words were false, unless I'm wrong about the chronology of the film, which could be the case. If anyone has a good answer for this, I'd like to read it.

As far as the Joker's scars are concerned, it's been talked into the ground and a lot of people have come up with some pretty plausible theories. I have one more to add to that list.

His scars were caused by an explosive placed inside his mouth.

Ridiculous. I know. I don't know much about ballistics, but I figure that depending on the nature of the device, it could possibly destroy the soft tissue of the cheeks, while only doing minor damage to the teeth and tongue. I don't know what kind of an explosive that would be, but in movie land it could possibly work. It's a relatively implausible idea, but allow me to explain why I came up with it.

First of all, watch the prologue. I know some people have made mention of the fact that the bank manager could have had something to do with the Joker's disfiguration. There's clear evidence supporting this claim when the Joker delivers his lines as he takes off his mask.

"Whatever doesn't kill us simply makes us... stranger."

Take a look at the bank manager's face when he realizes who just robbed him. The lines he delivers there, along with the facial reveal, both convince me that the bank manager was directly involved with the Joker's scarring. He recognizes this man. And he's not pleased to see him.

I know, I'd have a pretty shocked look on my face too if some random bank robber revealed that hideous face to me while I was laying in a pool of my own blood. But before you wash your hands of this notion, go watch the bootlegged prologue one more time with this in mind. Pay close attention to the way Heath delivers those lines, and the manager's reaction. Then make your judgement. This could possibly support the bomb-in-mouth thing, considering what the Joker does next.

I was looking at the recently shared picture of heath with the scar prosthetics on his face. Those are some pretty irregular keloid scars. The wound must have been horrific. If it was deliberately cut, it could have healed that way if it wasn't very well taken care of, but there are some places where it appears that tissue was not only lacerated, but blown away completely in small pieces here and there. It would seem that whatever caused that injury was something quick and powerful, not something slow and deliberate such as the chelsea grin theory, or the self-cut theory.

And as the bank manager lies on the floor, the Joker places a pretend grenade in his mouth as some kind of hilarious gag of irony. Funny how the tables can turn.

I'm interested in reading all thoughts and criticisms of this theory.

That's all I got for now. If this has all been discussed before, sorry for writing a novel about it. I encourage you to simply ignore my post if that's the case. It's a great community you guys have got here and I enjoy reading your discussions every day. Keep up the good work guys. :up:
 

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