The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

[laudanum09]

joker's Asylum huh? Wow can you link me so I can see what it looks like?

edit: hmm i found the cover not really like heath?

 

[Nepenthes]

here's some panels from inside. beautifully illustrated but I guess it depends if you're into this kind of art. It's a one shot with an admirable story to it. Joker as a good guy almost, a social satirist exposing the worst of our human nature. It's good mix of his modern incarnations and the prankster of old.

 

[laudanum09]

here's some panels from inside. beautifully illustrated but I guess it depends if you're into this kind of art. It's a one shot with an admirable story to it. Joker as a good guy almost, a social satirist exposing the worst of our human nature. It's good mix of his modern incarnations and the prankster of old.

all I have to say is WOW. And I'm glad to hear about the mix of modern and more golden age stuff. The likeness to Heath is really chilling...I'm stoked at how his performance is going to influence the comic portrayals.

so did you have a chance to pick this up at your local comic shop? a weekly release for this month I presume? I'm going to go grab me an issue tomorrow. and soon...Batman 679!!!!

 

[Crook]

Killing someone with a gas is an impersonal murder technique, and allows the murderer to not have to face and look his victims in the eye. Essentially it makes him a coward. However, a murder who kills with a knife is truly ****ed in the head, because he has to look his victims in the eyes. He has to feel their life leave their body. Anyone, who can do such a thing is truly a psycho. So I am glad that they are doing this, because it makes him all the more true to his nature. A psychotic man with a twisted sense of humor.

I'm hoping you're not suggesting that just because the traditional Joker does not carve smiles into people, that he's a coward or isn't a "true" psycho. Because that's just absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Maximus One]

I just bought the Killing Joke like 2 days ago damn what an awesome book

 

[Dark Globe]

Am I the only one who notices that Heath's Joker looks a lot like Arkham Asylum Joker?

 

[Drz]

Am I the only one who notices that Heath's Joker looks a lot like Arkham Asylum Joker?

Only on that 1 shot, otherwise hes too fat and middle-aged Joker tbh. :P (My Opinion ofcourse)

 

[Dark Globe]

doesn't seem too fat or too old to me.

 

[Nivek]

Your stupidity amazes me. The Carver isn't the only one who has cut smiles into his victims. These carvings have actually happened to real victims before and it's not juvenile.

Yeah, it's called a Chelsea Grin or Glasgow Smile. I know that, as does any 14 year old who would listen to Punk/Goth/New Wave.

Unfortunately for 70 years, Joker never did that to his victims. He has his Joker Venom, which is more insidious and downright evil. With a knife, it's pretty straight forward, and you can heal from it if he doesn't otherwise kill you. But Joker used his Venom in hundreds of different ways to snuff people with hideous, breathless pale uncontrolled death. If you got the antidote, you have a chance, but for the last 70 years, your pretty much gone when you start laughing.


Alot more evil than some lame gang related tagging of someones face.

 

[Dark Globe]

Yeah, it's called a Chelsea Grin or Glasgow Smile. I know that, as does any 14 year old who would listen to Punk/Goth/New Wave.

Unfortunately for 70 years, Joker never did that to his victims. He has his Joker Venom, which is more insidious and downright evil. With a knife, it's pretty straight forward, and you can heal from it if he doesn't otherwise kill you. But Joker used his Venom in hundreds of different ways to snuff people with hideous, breathless pale uncontrolled death. If you got the antidote, you have a chance, but for the last 70 years, your pretty much gone when you start laughing.


Alot more evil than some lame gang related tagging of someones face.

Personally, I have always found the laughing gas ****ing stupid as hell. If anything is juvenile, it's that.

Also, you are forgetting this is someone else interpretation. It doesn't have to be a carbon copy of the comic book. I'm really getting sick and tired of you comic book junkies thinking everything has to be EXACTLY LIKE THE COMIC BOOK! There are so many interpretations of The Joker in comics, it's almost impossible not to stay true to the comics.

Edit: Also, you're a labeler. Nice.

 

[Nivek]

Everyone should go out and buy the Jokers Asylum on sale now. Great portrayal of the Joker, something a little different yet familiar, especially if you like the prankster aspect. And he's drawn like Heath Ledger.

I heard he's more like a Crypt Keeper-ish narrator in it. The art looks kind of meh and not all that consistant, but if it's a good Joker based read I might check it out.

For any of you newbs who are catching up with the Joker on a sunny day, do yourself a favor and pick up The Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told in paperback. It's a reprint with several great reprints, including a few of Paul Dini's Joker stories from recent years, including the Dini/Ross collaberation from Batman: Black and White.

 

[Nivek]

Personally, I have always found the laughing gas ****ing stupid as hell. If anything is juvenile, it's that.

Also, you are forgetting this is someone else interpretation. It doesn't have to be a carbon copy of the comic book. I'm really getting sick and tired of you comic book junkies thinking everything has to be EXACTLY LIKE THE COMIC BOOK! There are so many interpretations of The Joker in comics, it's almost impossible not to stay true to the comics.

In case you didn't notice, these are comic book characters, on a comic book based movie board. Interpretation or not, I'm coming from the background of reading the source material, not reworking the character to what I think makes him "kewl and serial killah Evil". The Joker hasn't changed that drastically over 70 years, and it's pretty obvious that "fans" like you will just move along to whatever floats your boat next when you find that the Joker is closer to what I know him as than the Crow/Marilyn Manson character with a butcher knife you see in your head.

 

[Drz]

doesn't seem too fat or too old to me.

Oh sorry i misunderstood you! I thought we were talking about Joker's asylum and not Arkham Asylum! My bad. =(

 

[laudanum09]

In case you didn't notice, these are comic book characters, on a comic book based movie board. Interpretation or not, I'm coming from the background of reading the source material, not reworking the character to what I think makes him "kewl and serial killah Evil". The Joker hasn't changed that drastically over 70 years, and it's pretty obvious that "fans" like you will just move along to whatever floats your boat next when you find that the Joker is closer to what I know him as than the Crow/Marilyn Manson character with a butcher knife you see in your head.

hasn't changed drastically? the greatest joker stories is filled with cheesball plots that I would never want to see on film. This compared to the Joker of say Death in the Family, well I'd say making a joker utility belt to up one on batman is a drastic change from murdering all of his henchman in clever ways or doing the grin carving or other murderous acts that don't involve joker venom. i like the venom but youre treating it as if its the be-all-end all of the character when he didn't even use it during his 'prankster' era and he's resorted to this, among many other things during his more contemporary and murderous years. The use of joker-venom doesn't warrant anything particularly brilliant, its the context, and as joker says in devil's advocate, something like putting some venom on comedian stamps and mailing them out (something we'd MAYBE see in the same era as the joker-belt comic) is amateur night in dixie.

we've seen the joker venom in film. it rules. lets move on now.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

Wait wait wait...hold on here....The Dark Knight Joker ISN'T permawhite??? WTF?


*note...I'm tired, and this post was a joke*

 

[Bat-Mite]

Unfortunately for 70 years, Joker never did that to his victims. He has his Joker Venom, which is more insidious and downright evil. With a knife, it's pretty straight forward, and you can heal from it if he doesn't otherwise kill you. But Joker used his Venom in hundreds of different ways to snuff people with hideous, breathless pale uncontrolled death. If you got the antidote, you have a chance, but for the last 70 years, your pretty much gone when you start laughing.

This is one of the most foolish things I've ever read on these boards, which is saying a lot. I too prefer Joker Venom as a way for him to deal with his victims, but there's no way I'm going to make the absurd statement that one is more "evil" than the other due to my preference. Both put the victim through incredible amounts of pain and mental anguish, and many chelsea grin attacks in real life have proven fatal, as would any such attack by the Joker unless he deliberately cut them in such a way as to leave the victim alive. You'd be lying there in agonizing pain, and your screaming would only cause the flesh and muscle tissue to rip apart even further, ultimately resulting in your death unless you received medical attention VERY quickly.

Dishing out chelsea grins is a lot more gruesome than something the Joker I'm used to would do, but please, let's not get into nonsensical claims that one is a less drastic attack than the other. They're both horrifying attacks that nobody would want to experience, and they're terrible ways to die.

 

[Schlosser85]

That Joker's Asylum is obviously drawn to look like Heath Ledger's Joker IMO. And I think the "social satirist exposing the worst of human nature" is influenced by TDK's portrayal too (when the chips are down, these civilized people will eat each other), what with what we know of him setting up "social experiments", like

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trying to make one group of hostages on the barges blow up the other to save themselves

, and

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putting Harvey and Rachel in two different buildings armed with explosives and making Batman choose which one to save

.

Those pictures from the comics of The Joker on air as some kind of radio or talk show host remind of one of the claims of the rotten tomatoes review too: he said

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The Joker hangs Mike Engel upside down and forces him to read a message on air

.

 

[Nivek]

So now I'm being caled foolish because I see thsi whole argument/discussion as being silly?

I would rather be cut than given a dosage of Psychopath home made Nerve Gas. To me it is more evil, because a cut/scar/ wound is easy to fix, but Nerve Gas? Hell no. Your screwed up for the rest of your life if you dont end up dead.

Chelsea Grins traditionally we're more of a honor scar, they dont kill, just hurt so bad you probably would want to die for a couple hours. If Joker did it, it would be post mortem as some sort of signature. The Venom pretty much means you laugh, it's just a matter of seconds before you laugh uncontrollably as your facial muscles tighten excruciatingly as you die.

One way you bleed, the other way it's relitivly clean. But it's more about the effect the character would leave.

 

[Dark Globe]

After watching the prologue agian, something tells me that the grenade might actually contain the toxic poison. What other reason would there be to put it in the bank tailors mouth if it didn't blow up? He also does hint that it may do something to cause disfigurements.

 

[MysterioMenace]

Whenever a comic film is released, it’s just natural that the comic follows suit. Doc Ock was given a trench coat, Joker was made to more so resemble Nicholson, the X-men were plastered in black leather. The industry always uses the current in-fad to fuel their marketing motives. It’s more eye-catching around a big budget studio release and sure to hit all the wallets hard. It’s also always temporary. Comic book characters go back to their primary look once the hype has died down. It was only a matter of time before Joker became Ledger-like. Now it’s only a matter of time before he reverts back to the norm. I like Ledger, but I’ll take the comic look any day. That’s iconic Joker and he’s not going anywhere. Comic writers know better then to tamper with him permanently. You can take that to the bank.

And to whomever said **** the source material; There wouldn’t be a Dark Knight movie without source material…so try to show a little respect.

 

[Superhobo]

You and your 2 post can shove it. There'd be no Joker if there was no The Man Who Laughs.

I don't follow your reasoning here - you say that there'd be no Joker if there was no "The Man Who Laughs," which is true - but the assumption follows, given your prior "***k the source material" posts, that you think that both "The Man Who Laughs" is more of a source material than the Batman comics and canon itself, and that you think that said Joker character would have been thought up, somehow, regardless of the source material itself, at some point in time, just in time for this film to have been made.

Brilliant.

 

[Dark Globe]

Do people not bother reading edits?

edit: Also, this is the internet. I don't have to be mature to dedicated comic nerds who are anal about every single detail.

 

[Nivek]

After watching the prologue agian, something tells me that the grenade might actually contain the toxic poison. What other reason would there be to put it in the bank tailors mouth if it didn't blow up? He also does hint that it may do something to cause disfigurements.

The Joker was (wait for it) playing a joke on the manager. It is what is commonly referred to as a "mind *uck". Made him think as the string pulled the pin, his head was going to get blown off. Instead, he's just left with a smoke grenade, a gunshot wound, and alot of questions from the Mob people he was safeguarding the money for.


No Joker Venom in the movie, that has been confirmed.

 

[MysterioMenace]

No Joker Venom in the movie, that has been confirmed.

Disappointing, but I’ll survive. Joker doesn’t use it constantly. At least we got fear gas.

 

[Superhobo]

It's like two armless wrestlers going at each other, really.