The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

My understanding (ok a theory) was that Joker would be in Arkham for a majority (if not all) of the third film. Used as a Hannibal Lector type, psychological informant to the police or Bats. Under this scenario, to me at least, a re-cast would be fine, playing the character a little differently, quieter, would work and make sense under those circumstances - a bit like Brian Cox in Manhunter "would you like to leave me your home phone number?".

If the idea is for the character to just continue his rampage through Gotham then
I personally don't think a re-cast would work. Put the character in a situation where being slightly different from Heaths portrayal is given context.
 
Ugh, I don't know. Seems so used and tired.

And I doubt after the Joker kills who he kills in TDK that Batman would ever treat him like that.
 
Treat him like what? I didnt say he'd be taking him flowers and grapes.
 
This Hannibal-Lector-thing has been done so many times. Even in the Batman comics ("The Long Halloween"). It worked with a smaller villain like the Calendar Man. But can you imagine Mr J working together with Bats and the cops? :huh:
So if they do something like that Joker should fool them and make things even worse. That might work. But Joker as a Hannibal-Lecter-clone? I don't think so.
 
Well obviously not as a direct clone. Just the circumstances - being imprisoned, just a few scenes. He wouldnt be working with the cops, but with the arrival of more 'freaks' onto the streets of Gotham- some narrow minded, beauracratic suited up law enforcers could view J as an asset - we, along with Bats and Gordon would know better. Joker would relish the oppurtunity to play mind games, I like the idea of him misleading everyone, and pulling the strings from inside his cell. I realise its been done a million times, it was just an idea to give reasoning to the character being played slightly differently and to remove some of the stigma of "topping Heath".
 
IF they do a recast for The Joker then Nolan will come up with another surprise IMHO. Who believed Heath Ledger will be Mr J two years ago? Who believed that he will own the role?
Most of us wanted George McFly as The Joker.
It's the same here with Johnny Depp. If there will be a new Joker then it's someone no one of us mentioned yet.

That's the bottomline. Everyone on here was up in arms over the fact that Heath Ledger was going to be Joker. UP IN ARMS. Johnny Depp could certainly do it, as well as other actors.
 
That's the bottomline. Everyone on here was up in arms over the fact that Heath Ledger was going to be Joker. UP IN ARMS. Johnny Depp could certainly do it, as well as other actors.

If there is a recast I doubt it will be Depp or DDL. It'll be someone you never would have thought of for the role. That's exactly what happened with Ledger. I remember thinking WTF but I trusted Nolan since he's been pretty dead on with casting in his films.
 
I couldnt care less right now about a "re-cast." I'm more worried about having a 3rd film at all....
 
There will be a third film. This will make stacks and stacks of money and people who didnt give a rats ass for Batman six months ago will demand another film as quickly as possible. As to whether the third will be made under the circumstances that most of us want is another question.
 
That's the bottomline. Everyone on here was up in arms over the fact that Heath Ledger was going to be Joker. UP IN ARMS. Johnny Depp could certainly do it, as well as other actors.


if by some random chance there is a third film......and depp is cast as joker under any circumstance....i will kill myself in the theater :whatever:
 
There will be a third film. This will make stacks and stacks of money and people who didnt give a rats ass for Batman six months ago will demand another film as quickly as possible. As to whether the third will be made under the circumstances that most of us want is another question.

That's if Nolan and Bale want to return.
 
There will be a third film. This will make stacks and stacks of money and people who didnt give a rats ass for Batman six months ago will demand another film as quickly as possible. As to whether the third will be made under the circumstances that most of us want is another question.

There's no doubt a 3rd film will be made unless this absolutely bombs at the BO which is highly improbable. I also think Nolan will return since WB will be all over him for a third installment, Nolan initially approached WB himself and truly loves the character and what he's created so far, and the enormous potential to leverage WB's requests into everything under the sun beyond money (ie. deals for other projects outside the Batman franchise). There's simply too many explicit and implicit factors that indicate he will be back for a third.
 
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Jul 7 2008 8:00 AM EDT
Heath Ledger's 'Dark Knight' Joker Stands Out In 70-Year Evolution Of Batman's Greatest Foe

We take a look back at the villain's transition from prankster to psychopath.

By Shawn Adler

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Heath Ledger as the Joker in "The Dark Knight"
Photo: Warner Bros. Pictures

The Clown Prince of Crime. The Harlequin of Hate. The Ace of Knaves.
Nearly 70 years after "Batman" #1 first hit stands, there still is really only one name that perfectly fits the Dark Knight's greatest adversary, a villain alternately portrayed as a harmless prankster and a vicious sociopath, a man who's equal parts deranged, goofy, psychotic and comical: the Joker.
"Lightning in a bottle," "Batman: The Animated Series" co-creator Bruce Timm said of the character. "Just a brilliant creation."
(Find out what went into creating our favorite version of the Joker, as portrayed on "Batman: The Animated Series," in the MTV Movies blog.)


What makes the Joker so brilliant, and why has he remained Batman's greatest foe? We took a look at his various incarnations throughout history, up to and including his appearance in "The Dark Knight," to find out.

Created by Bob Kane and Bill Finger for the comic book's first issue in 1940, the Joker — with his green hair, white skin and permanent smile — was based on photos of Conrad Veidt from the silent film "The Man Who Laughs." Since then, he has remained the most prominent villain in Batman's increasingly large gallery of rogues. This early version of the Joker was a straightforward mass murderer whose appearance alone seemed to set him apart.


"And it's weird, because it's not like Batman is the Human Torch, and his nemesis would be the Human Ice Cube," Timm laughed. "A clown is not the antithesis of a bat."
Except most bats, of course, aren't this particular Bat — a man who has dedicated his life to ridding the world of evil, using cold, hard logic, an unwavering moral code and a strict adherence to the rules of justice.


"If you just told the Joker story, you're talking about a guy with clown makeup on who's psychotic," comic-book legend Jeph Loeb surmised. "What makes him interesting is that it frustrates the hell out of Batman, who is a detective who needs to follow a series of clues in order to resolve an issue. It's living in a very logical world. The Joker, meanwhile, is someone who doesn't follow any rules. He's a complete question mark capable of anything. All you get with the Joker is — ready for the pun of the year? — a wild card."


The Joker spent his first few decades as that wild card, imagined mostly as a harmless prankster. This version of the character reached his nadir as portrayed by Cesar Romero on the "Batman" television show of the 1960s. His appearance never changed, but his motivations and crimes did. He ceased to be an anarchist and became, instead, yet another themed criminal.

It wasn't until the '70s and '80s that the Joker went back to his roots (permanently it would seem), becoming both a vicious killer and a true mirror to Batman — someone who would go to any length to point out the absurdity of his enemies' mundane lives, whether that meant capturing or torturing Commissioner Gordon, paralyzing his daughter, Barbara, or even killing the second Robin, Jason Todd.
But it was with Batman himself that the Joker would have his sweetest laughs.


"You had a bad day once, am I right?" the Joker asks Batman in the 1988 comic book "The Killing Joke." "I know I am. I can tell. You had a bad day, and everything changed."
"As cool as Batman is, he's kind of a stuffed shirt," Loeb said. "The Joker is somebody who can make fun of that, point out the absurdity that it's a good idea when your parents are killed in the street in front of you to go dress up like a bat. It's an incredibly insane plan."


By the time Tim Burton's "Batman" live-action film came around in 1989, the Joker changed yet again. This time he was given a backstory that made him the man who killed the Waynes. Played by Jack Nicholson, the Joker was a stone-cold killer, but also a little bit campy, a little bit frivolous, a little bit too funny, perhaps.


"We both come from the cartoon world originally. We had similar ideas. Tim [Burton] said [the Joker] should have a humorous dark side to him," Jack Nicholson MTV News last year.
Dark and humorous, yes, but maybe also too heroic. And how could he not be as played by Nicholson?


"The Joker was portrayed in that film as someone who's likable, as someone who acts as a wish fulfillment part of us. It really is the idea that within us all is that notion that if you could get away with murder, you would murder someone," Loeb asserted. "I find that message to be extremely disappointing in terms of human nature, but you can't deny that that's what makes film interesting."


It would be 19 years before the Joker was given another shot at big-screen glory, in this summer's "The Dark Knight." Played by the late Heath Ledger, this Joker doesn't crack jokes, he cracks skulls. He's the embodiment of anarchy, an evil made all the more terrifying because he's made real. His plan? Show Batman how absurd the world is by blowing up just about everything that he can.


"He has zero empathy," Ledger told MTV News last year. "It's the most fun I've had with a character and probably will ever have."

Whether it's been Romero, Nicholson or Ledger behind the makeup, however, and whether he's been a maniac or a prankster, a clown or a killer, one thing has always remained constant with the Joker: the laugh — a laugh that with each breath seems to say he's the only sane man in an insane world.


So, why so serious? Because for nearly 70 years the joke has been on Batman.


Check out everything we've got on "The Dark Knight."


http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1590412/20080703/story.jhtml


 
You guys have to face it. The Joker WILL NOT be recast in a possible third film. It's just not happening, and I'm not sure why so many of you are even liking the idea. Why would you want someone other than Heath, who has turned given us a unanimously praised and iconic performance, to step into the Joker's shoes for a third film? It doesn't make sense, especially if the Joker's story is wrapped up in this film, which it most likely will be.

If Heath was still alive and wanted to return (though for some reason, I doubt he'd come back for a third film), then things would be much different. But as it stands now, the decision to recast the Joker would be in poor taste and simply unnecessary.
 
It's not like Batman is short on villains, either.
 
You guys have to face it. The Joker WILL NOT be recast in a possible third film. It's just not happening, and I'm not sure why so many of you are even liking the idea. Why would you want someone other than Heath, who has turned given us a unanimously praised and iconic performance, to step into the Joker's shoes for a third film? It doesn't make sense, especially if the Joker's story is wrapped up in this film, which it most likely will be.

If Heath was still alive and wanted to return (though for some reason, I doubt he'd come back for a third film), then things would be much different. But as it stands now, the decision to recast the Joker would be in poor taste and simply unnecessary.


Makes me cringe every time I see a "DEPP!!" or "DDL!!!1" post around here.
 
You guys have to face it. The Joker WILL NOT be recast in a possible third film. It's just not happening, and I'm not sure why so many of you are even liking the idea. Why would you want someone other than Heath, who has turned given us a unanimously praised and iconic performance, to step into the Joker's shoes for a third film? It doesn't make sense, especially if the Joker's story is wrapped up in this film, which it most likely will be.

If Heath was still alive and wanted to return (though for some reason, I doubt he'd come back for a third film), then things would be much different. But as it stands now, the decision to recast the Joker would be in poor taste and simply unnecessary.

They said the same thing about Jack. And if the Nolans had an idea of how to use Joker in a possible BB3, they should be driven by that and not by Ledger not being alive anymore.
 
They said the same about Jack. And if the Nolans had an idea for Joker continuation in a possible BB3, they should go by that and not by Ledger.

Jack Nicholson? How is Heath Ledger taking on the role of the Joker about 20 years after Jack in a completely new series that has no correlation to the 1989 Batman even remotely similar to someone who would essentially be copying and attemtping to reproduce Ledger's performance in the next film of this series?

From what we're hearing, it seems there aren't any plans to have the Joker in a third film, and I'm actually shocked that this is being discussed, because not only is our current Joker dead in real life, but TDK hasn't even been released yet.

I'm sure in 20 years there will be a new Joker, and I have no problem with that.
 
Jack Nicholson? How is Heath Ledger taking on the role of the Joker about 20 years after Jack in a completely new series that has no correlation to the 1989 Batman even remotely similar to someone who would essentially be copying and attemtping to reproduce Ledger's performance in the next film of this series?

How? I have no idea. But comparisons were made and are still being made.

From what we're hearing, it seems there aren't any plans to have the Joker in a third film, and I'm actually shocked that this is being discussed, because not only is our current Joker dead in real life, but TDK hasn't even been released yet.

I haven't heard anything solid to support either theory, other than Goyer saying Joker was supposed to scar Dent in BB3. I realise the plans changed, but there could still be something left for the Joker to do.
 
Man, just thinking of me finally seeing Heath's Joker next week has me hyped. I've set my expectations fairly low...so I'll be blown away, and I'm sure I will be. :D
 
You guys have to face it. The Joker WILL NOT be recast in a possible third film. It's just not happening, and I'm not sure why so many of you are even liking the idea. Why would you want someone other than Heath, who has turned given us a unanimously praised and iconic performance, to step into the Joker's shoes for a third film? It doesn't make sense, especially if the Joker's story is wrapped up in this film, which it most likely will be.

You have to "face it" that you have no more idea than anyone else.
 
Heck yeah, Depp is one of the worst choices for the Joker. He doesn't have the look, and isn't even that good of an actor. At least to me he aint.
 

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