The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

[agentzelda]

Whoever takes up the franchise might decide not to deal with Batman's early career and so might want a Joker who'd be in his 40s or 50s (oh dear, I think we've been through this, but I'm holding to my assumption he's no more than 35 in the Nolan films). I agree, DDL could do it, he's physically appropriate and despite his elegance can do crazy. I think Depp, while he's a fine actor, falls too much into the realm of an obvious choice, and on the whole Nolan doesn't go with obvious choices (that guy from the Sopranos - James Gandolfini? sorry I don't watch much TV - would have been an obvious choice for Falcone or Maroni, but Nolan let the excellent Tom Wilkinson and the really pretty damn good Eric Roberts put their stamp on the roles).

 

[agentzelda]

Another board I'm on mentioned Guy Pearce, who I think would make a great Riddler, and has had the advantage of working with Nolan before.

Agreed, I'm far less concerned about any theoretical future franchise than a third in the Nolan series. Though I suspect Nolan will only do three.

 

[Toxin72]

So I heard that the joker character in TDK was based mostly on the joker from the killing joke and somewhat from arkham asylum. It's obvious how much was taken from the killing joke but I've never read arkham asylum so could someone tell me what they used from that in the movie?

 

[agentzelda]

So I heard that the joker character in TDK was based mostly on the joker from the killing joke and somewhat from arkham asylum. It's obvious how much was taken from the killing joke but I've never read arkham asylum so could someone tell me what they used from that in the movie?

A variant, and actual performance, of the pencil trick.

 

[CaptainClown]

So I heard that the joker character in TDK was based mostly on the joker from the killing joke and somewhat from arkham asylum. It's obvious how much was taken from the killing joke but I've never read arkham asylum so could someone tell me what they used from that in the movie?

I guess the best way to describe it is vicious and crude. He threatened to put a pencil in a little girls eye, grabs batmans ass and calls him a tight ass and without hesitation kill a guard by shooting him in the head similar to the bus driver.

Visually he looks very similar to Heaths

 

[Toxin72]

I guess the best way to describe it is vicious and crude. He threatened to put a pencil in a little girls eye, grabs batmans ass and calls him a tight ass and without hesitation kill a guard by shooting him in the head similar to the bus driver.

Visually he looks very similar to Heaths

So alot of the extremely psychotic stuff the joker did in the dark knight was probably influenced by that then? Cool I've never read it but the art look really great. Maybe I should pick it up.

 

[CaptainClown]

So alot of the extremely psychotic stuff the joker did in the dark knight was probably influenced by that then? Cool I've never read it but the art look really great. Maybe I should pick it up.

Ya that was more of a psychotic anarchic Joker that was very similar to TDK Joker.

Arkham Asylum is meh, at some art schools they use it as an example of "how not to write a story" Some like it some hate it most are whatever about it.

 

[CaptainClown]

 

[Hulk1968]

The Killing Joke is IMHO, a must read for anyone who wants a little more info on how psychotic and insane the Joker really is...

Spoiler

In this graphic novel, he shoots Barbara Gordon at her home, while her father, looks on.
The Joker also tells her, basically when she asks "why?" he replies "to prove a point."
He has his then kidnap Commish Gordon, then brings him to a decrepit carnival (which the Joker had stolen from a man who wanted to sell it)
He then has his goons strip Commish Gorden and force him into a dark ride (you know, the kind that winds thru a fun house or spook house w/ the chintzy effects) where inside are nude photos shown on large screens, of his daughter, half dead and paralized from the waist down) trying to drive him insane....which I belive was the point he's trying to prove.

By that point the commish is on the brink of losing his mind.
Batman eventually arrives, saves Jim Gorden from the Joker, and tells him "find him and bring him in by the books"

Anyway there is alot more, including the Joker's real origin.

I highly recommend it

 

[JaD]

Does anyone have some more screens of the Joker from "The Killing Joke"?

Some others you may like (put a few by similar screens from TDK)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/joker-pan641.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/joker-pan64.png

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/joker-swing.jpg

(this theory proved to be right on the money)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/tkj-jokersmile6.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/tkj-jokertnge.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/joker-smile3.jpg

 

[CaptainClown]

the crow bar smack seemed more to be like something from Death in the family

 

[JaD]

Some more

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/Batman-TheKillingJoke04.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/Batman-TheKillingJoke06.jpg

*notice the familiar line in this one, hehe*

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/Batman-TheKillingJoke07.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/Batman-TheKillingJoke09.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/batman-lunge.jpg

 

[CaptainClown]

I am glad you didn't post the awful recolored issue

 

[JaD]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/dent-prison.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/tkj-jokershorts.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/comics/tkj-jokersmile4.jpg

 

[JaD]

I am glad you didn't post the awful recolored issue

Nah, those are interesting to look at, but the original is where it's at.

 

[agentzelda]

I'm glad someone else has said this; I've been discussing TKJ with another friend online and we really decided that while the precision of detail of the reissue is really fine, the garish colours of the original heightened the nightmarish quality of several of its key scenes, especially the attack on Barbara and the circus showdown. Given Alan Moore's legendary crankiness, the reissue really became Brian Bolland's baby, which is a pity because the story itself is so perfectly constructed, and conveys so much so economically.

 

[CaptainClown]

Nah, those are interesting to look at, but the original is where it's at.

ya I flipped through it once said "well thats enough of that" then gave it to my friend.

 

[CaptainClown]

I'm glad someone else has said this; I've been discussing TKJ with another friend online and we really decided that while the precision of detail of the reissue is really fine, the garish colours of the original heightened the nightmarish quality of several of its key scenes, especially the attack on Barbara and the circus showdown. Given Alan Moore's legendary crankiness, the reissue really became Brian Bolland's baby, which is a pity because the story itself is so perfectly constructed, and conveys so much so economically.

Ya TKJ had a nightmarish brown/orange look about it

 

[JaD]

ya I flipped through it once said "well thats enough of that" then gave it to my friend.

You should've given it to me, I already know you have too many comics for you to carry. And I don't even think you live very far from me

 

[CaptainClown]

You should've given it to me, I already know you have too many comics for you to carry. And I don't even think you live very far from me

If I find out where you live, every night you will hear Peter Gabriel outside of your window.....


also you can never have enough comics!

 

[JaD]

If I find out where you live, every night you will hear Peter Gabriel outside of your window.....


also you can never have enough comics!

As long as it's Sledgehammer then you had me at hello.

 

[JaD]

Spoiler

 

[ronny]

What I don't get with The Killing Joke is why Joker has all those freakshow people helping him out? Are they even real?

 

[Bat-Mite]

For the same reason he had all the mental cases helping him out in TDK. They're outcasts that he was able to easily manipulate into helping him. He's good at that.

 

[CaptainClown]

You mean like