The Official Choose A Director Thread

[Excel]

...its because Singer spent the budget in other places like cornfields. Singer was given a budget, wasted it in the wrong places then couldn't deliver the original sequences. It's pretty cut and dry.

I agree, I am not defending the guy

 

[Showtime]

Then I still love you.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I dont really like the poll options cause neither really suits me I think.

I am excited to hear what the Wachowski's have in mind. They would certainly give a more visually stunning Superman, but I feel that when they arn't reigned in by the producer they either get ahead of themselves in the motifs and themes (a la Matrix sequels) or go a little crazy with the visuals (a la Speed Racer). I appreciate bringing in a new point of view, Im just not sure if the Wachowski's have the write POV for Superman

 

[Showtime]

That is just an old poll, I had to merge a bunch of threads to create this one. I'll try and switch it.

 

[Superman2007]

The problem with the Wachowski rumor is they delivered a massive flop with Speed Racer.

And WB is said to keep a very close eye on the next Superman film - i.e. no more writing blank-checks to a director and letting em go nuts.

After they lost money on Racer (a film I liked, for the record), I seriously can't see them handing the keys to the Superman franchise over to them.

Yes, Speed Racer was a flop...but The Matrix Trilogy and all the film tie-ins brought Warner Bros. amazing success when they had no superheroes fighting for them. Studios don't just abandon directors if they put out a flop. Look at M. Knight Shamaylan he's made four crap films in a row and he's still getting funded. Will Warner Bros. keep a tight leash on the Wachowskis? Yeah, but I think the Wachowskis will be able to deliver under Warner's oversight.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Lady in the Water was M. Night's only money-losing film. Every other one turned a profit.

And Racer was a huge high-profile failure and their most recent film. You're only as good as your last hit in Hollywood.

 

[hockeyboy89]

The problem with the Wachowski rumor is they delivered a massive flop with Speed Racer.

And WB is said to keep a very close eye on the next Superman film - i.e. no more writing blank-checks to a director and letting em go nuts.

After they lost money on Racer (a film I liked, for the record), I seriously can't see them handing the keys to the Superman franchise over to them.

I'm with you on this. I didn't care for The Matrix myself, but it was was cool for what it was. It was a huge success and the sequels were pushed through and were no where near as good. I also enjoyed Speed Racer, but I went with the kids and maybe that was it. I read they are comic fans, which is a plus. At least they "get it", would prolly follow mythos, etc. They know action, and that bodes well. As mush as I wanted a SR sequel, they will have to totally reboot without Routh . It would be too confusing to the general public if Routh is there, but Jason, Richard, etc are gone and it's a different storyline. I can't imagine explaining to my 4 year old why Supermans son isn't there but it's the same Superman. He understood that the Hulk was "just a different Hulk" movie.

All and all, I'm excited by some news on the Superman front, but man I am scared. Their track record lately is....um.....yeah.......I'm gonna get back to my TPS reports

 

[Excel]

I didn't say that Superman Returns didn't make money, but WB thought that Superman would be huge just because it was Superman, this wasn't the case. You're saying it is still the case and with the Wackowskis at the helm it will make money because it is Superman.

Here is the deal:
350 million and under = bomb
350-400 million = can't complain hit
~400 million = big hit
~400 million = huge hit
~600 million = bonafide blockbuster

W.B. know that SUPERMAN, on his own, is a LOCK to not be a bomb. It WILL make money. The only question is how much. Will it be HUGE ala Spidey and TDK or not so huge ala BB or SR. They knew it wouldnt bomb, and it didn't bomb. W.B. do not know that Green Lantern wont bomb, hence why it will likely be the more quality film.

W.B. concern was they knew there was a TON of potential left. Reading Abrams script its bloody obvious that film would have made Star Wars sized money as a franchise starter, that is why W.B. fell in love with it and evidently if this rumor is true are back in that sort of action first mode.

You can see why they are BEGGING for Krypton to be reinvented on the big screen, you can see why they are DESPERATE to have them fight alien villains. It would be awesome and it would make them so much bloody green $$$$.

The W bros are money shot kings, just watch the Matrix trailers. Them doing Superman is a marketers dream come true.

Well right now the Whachowskis aren't giving them anything because so far it is just a rumor, and how you can guarantee that after what you are calling 3 straight bombs by the W's is scary.

Because Speed Racer HAD money shot's, its problem was it was Speed Racer. The Matrix Revolutions HAD money shots, 2nd had just come out and sucked 6 months ago so nobody wanted to see it. V for Vendetta was a great movie but too out there to be a big hit.

Just watch the Matrix trailers and you can see why a W bros superman movie would make mega bucks. God its unfair. If I was in charge I would make W.B. so much ****ing money off the Superman property. The Wachowskis are EXACTLY the type of director's Superman needs to be a huge hit. Theyll give it flair, style, and action, everything the last one didnt have and everything you need to be able to properly hype a film.

...and you are happy with them giving the grand daddy of all the ones they have to the W BroSis?

If I was W.B. from a business stand point yes. However, from a quality perspective, W.B. would have to be sure to activiley involved.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Lady in the Water was M. Night's only money-losing film. Every other one turned a profit.

And Racer was a huge high-profile failure and their most recent film. You're only as good as your last hit in Hollywood.

Exactly. I hated The Happening but it was not a money loser.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

wth???

 

[Showtime]

Here is the deal:
350 million and under = bomb
350-400 million = can't complain hit
~400 million = big hit
~400 million = huge hit
~600 million = bonafide blockbuster

Sorry bud, I don't subscribe to "The Mixed Up Box Office Files Of Mr. Excel".

W.B. know that SUPERMAN, on his own, is a LOCK to not be a bomb. It WILL make money. The only question is how much. Will it be HUGE ala Spidey and TDK or not so huge ala BB or SR. They knew it wouldnt bomb, and it didn't bomb. W.B. do not know that Green Lantern wont bomb, hence why it will likely be the more quality film.

It didn't bomb but it performed below expectations, projections, and anticipation.

W.B. concern was they knew there was a TON of potential left. Reading Abrams script its bloody obvious that film would have made Star Wars sized money as a franchise starter, that is why W.B. fell in love with it and evidently if this rumor is true are back in that sort of action first mode.

Nothing is obvious Excel, you can't look at a script and say this will be Star Wars...

You can see why they are BEGGING for Krypton to be reinvented on the big screen, you can see why they are DESPERATE to have them fight alien villains. It would be awesome and it would make them so much bloody green $$$$.

You're letting your fanboyisms get in the way of clear thinking here.

The W bros are money shot kings, just watch the Matrix trailers. Them doing Superman is a marketers dream come true.

Because Speed Racer HAD money shot's, its problem was it was Speed Racer. The Matrix Revolutions HAD money shots, 2nd had just come out and sucked 6 months ago so nobody wanted to see it. V for Vendetta was a great movie but too out there to be a big hit.

Just watch the Matrix trailers and you can see why a W bros superman movie would make mega bucks. God its unfair. If I was in charge I would make W.B. so much ****ing money off the Superman property. The Wachowskis are EXACTLY the type of director's Superman needs to be a huge hit. Theyll give it flair, style, and action, everything the last one didnt have and everything you need to be able to properly hype a film.

So they make good trailers? They aren't even responsible for cutting them...

So your logic is that since the W's have had 3, what you call bombs, that it only makes sense to give them the biggest character they have in their arsenal because they have to get it right?

You would make them so much money? By your logic in these past hour or so I would never hire you.

If I was W.B. from a business stand point yes. However, from a quality perspective, W.B. would have to be sure to activiley involved.

...and now you are saying they won't be quality directors...

If you want money shots there are much better directors out there than these guys.

 

[SuperDaniel]

SR just sucked and wasn't a FUN movie at all. Singer just let down everybody. The WBros are nerds and love the comics. They are on their way to their dream job with Superman. I doubt they would **** it up.

 

[Superman2007]

Lady in the Water was M. Night's only money-losing film. Every other one turned a profit.

And Racer was a huge high-profile failure and their most recent film. You're only as good as your last hit in Hollywood.

Yeah but Speed Racer wasn't even a real film in a way...it was more like a CGI acid trip,lol.

"Warner Bros. doesn't let the Wachowski Bros. go with Plastic Man as their next project (and they may not, according to McTeigue, because of a "major shake up of projects at WB"), then they could be the guys who reboot the Superman franchise."

What I don't get is if Warner Bros. decides not to greenlight the Wachowskis for Plastic Man, why would they greenlight them for Superman?

That's like the WB saying to the Wachowskis..."Hey don't take the keys for my Honda, here, take the keys for my Aston Martin."

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Speed Racer was in fact a film. And the Plastic Man rumors have never been confirmed.

In fact, wasn't a rumor posted on AICN a year ago about Joel Silver giving a radio interview in Germany talking about Plastic Man?!?

 

[luke1234]

Wachowki's would make an awesome superman in my opinion

 

[SuperDaniel]

^Hell yes! They actually made Speed Racer into something cool. It was horrible but the cartoon was cheesy and stupid too.

Superman would be their dream job and hell yeah, at least we will get a FUN Superman movie instead of another melodrama BS with Superman's son.

 

[Double Down]

Why would Warner Bros. take Superman, coming off a movie that they said underperformed, and give him to filmmakers coming off a huge bomb so that they can make a trilogy?
It just doesn't make sense to me in any way. What if the first movie of the trilogy also underperforms? What if they pick a new Superman and he is hated? Are they going to pick another Superman or will they just keep going with this trilogy no matter what? There is just too much that doesn't add up to take this as gospel right now.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Because, looking at the Matrix movies, the Wachowsky can really make a great Superman movie.

 

[Showtime]

I don't understand the logic. The W's made The Matrix so they can make Superman...

Didn't WB have that same logic when they hired Singer to do Superman? Singer made X-Men so he can make Superman.

Oops.

Burton made Batman so he can make Superman.

Oops.

 

[luke1234]

Personally, i think the Wachowki's are great directors. If you get some good actors in there, and a decent script writer im in. Wachowski's should just direct imo, i dont know if there up for a script.

 

[Double Down]

By the way, Wachowski is spelled wrong in the thread's title.

 

[hockeyboy89]

What I don't get is if Warner Bros. decides not to greenlight the Wachowskis for Plastic Man, why would they greenlight them for Superman?
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Maybe they are the fall back plan.....I mean Singer was still in the mix (somewhat as it was never said he wasn't), McG, Abrams, etc all were mentioned. Maybe they were hoping for another big name and are going to ride "the team that brought you the Maxtrix Trilogy"

 

[hockeyboy89]

Why would Warner Bros. take Superman, coming off a movie that they said underperformed, and give him to filmmakers coming off a huge bomb so that they can make a trilogy?
It just doesn't make sense to me in any way. What if the first movie of the trilogy also underperforms? What if they pick a new Superman and he is hated? Are they going to pick another Superman or will they just keep going with this trilogy no matter what? There is just too much that doesn't add up to take this as gospel right now.

Yeah that bothers me.....we may end up with a Singer issue where is is attached, but but not attached, prolly as producer, not director, nonsense.

 

[Excel]

Nothing is obvious Excel, you can't look at a script and say this will be Star Wars...

I am comparing the projects marketabilty.

You're letting your fanboyisms get in the way of clear thinking here.

No I am not, bro I have a good feel for what sells. Thats what they want. They want the Sci fi angle because theres MAD money. They want these huge awe shots that we got in the transformers trailers (the ones of the rocks plummeting towards Earth). THAT IS WHAT SELLS.

So they make good trailers? They aren't even responsible for cutting them...

They give you say many money shots that its the easiest thing ever. Case in point:

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So your logic is that since the W's have had 3, what you call bombs, that it only makes sense to give them the biggest character they have in their arsenal because they have to get it right?

They have 2 bombs, and only one of them was their fault. Again, Speed Racer was always going to bomb. The W's are unused talent. They could flourish on a project like Superman if properly managed. Theyd help with the romance angle, but thats it.

You would make them so much money? By your logic in these past hour or so I would never hire you.

Bro you don't follow me. The logic is there. I cant gaurentee itll be a great movie, but it would be damn marketable as get out. Itd be easy to give a taste of what a Wachowski Brothers Superman t.v. might look like...(this is winged so gimme a break but dont tell me it doesnt sound awesome )

-Quick flash of W.B. and D.C. logos
-Urgent, epic choir music bellows
-It's night time in Metropolis-quick shot as Superman ROCKETS into the camera
-IN 2 DAYS slices through the screen
-Lois Lane looks up, scared for her life
-An alien pod in outer space races by
-Jor-el's face looks down at us
-SUPERMAN
-Superman and alien villain shoot past the camera
-An explosion-cars fly upwards
-The alien villain plants down infront of us, the definition of menacing and badass
-Glimpse of Krpyton-flying cars and futuristic skyscrappers everywhere
-Opposite the villain, SUPERMAN's feet plant down infront of us
-ARRIVES
-Pan up to see the man of steel, ready for battle
-A building crumbles
-Lois grabs the edge, dangling
-A tidal wave swells
-The alien villain kicks and army jet in midair, sending it spiraling out of control
-We follow Superman and the alien villain from behind in slow mo as they, while wrestlig, smash through a skyscrappers 75th floor and out the other side
-SUPERMAN
-THIS FRIDAY

Thats the kind of stuff youll get from them, not "Superman hovers over Earth" or "a wing explodes". That **** is so weak and uncreative.

...and now you are saying they won't be quality directors...

Not if wb hand picks the script.

If you want money shots there are much better directors out there than these guys.

Honestly, not really. Nobody they can get. Bay is the only one who is in their league.