The Official Choose A Director Thread

[Arach Knight]

Actually it's an important part of his story and essential to telling Superman's story. He's not human, he's never going to be human and he may want to relate to them but he will always be separate from them. To leave those things out takes a fundamental core element of Superman's character. I don't get why you would want to limit the dramatic potential of his character by taking that out.

I disagree. Continually separating Superman from humanity and making him distant and so pensive, while at the same time admiring, creates a psychological complex that need not be present in the stories. In fact, Superman/Batman # 3 sums it up nicely

"It is a remarkable dichotomy. In many ways, Clark is the most human of us all. Then...he shoots fire from the skies, and it is difficult not to think of him as a god. And how fortunate we all are that it does not occur to him."

Superman should not spend his time mourning a dead world he never knew. I see Superman as a person who is shaped by a heritage he has to find, but interprets in a manner that affects how he behaves as a human. The idea that he comes from an alien world is not some huge issue of fundamentals. It was a reflection of Siegel and Shuster's own heritage. Their parents were immigrants (Jewish at that). So Superman being this outsider who comes to earth (America) and assimilates, is the actual idea behind the character. Not this guy who can never be human and wishes to be. He is not Pinocchio wanting to be a real boy (human). My view is not one left to solitude though. Author and cultural theorist Scott Bukatman states that Superman " is also representative of the United States dedication to "progress and the 'new'" through his "invulnerable body ... on which history cannot be inscribed.""

He is an allegory for immigration in the United States from Europe. Everyone else has just been over thinking that aspect and turned it into this great emotional conflict. Which is okay. Writers will constantly interpret a character that has been maintained by dozen if not hundreds of other minds. At this point however, I am saying it is time to give it a rest as far as the "I wanna be human, but i'm not and I miss the planet I never knew" routine. This character is so stale because he has not progressed past that yet.

You know why Spider-Man has been such an impressive character? Because he eventually moved on from the death of his Uncle (a brilliant piece of writing by Strazynski). He continues to be Spider-Man, not because he abandons his guilt, but he transcends it and fully adopts his Uncle's mantra on responsibility. It creates a more interesting character. Superman is 71 years old this year. Time to do something new other than have him try to be human. And to that end, he doesn't even have to try. All that separates him are his powers. And those only come from a yellow Sun. Take that away and he bleeds red just like the rest.

 

[DavidTyler]

I disagree. Continually separating Superman from humanity and making him distant and so pensive, while at the same time admiring, creates a psychological complex that need not be present in the stories. In fact, Superman/Batman # 3 sums it up nicely

"It is a remarkable dichotomy. In many ways, Clark is the most human of us all. Then...he shoots fire from the skies, and it is difficult not to think of him as a god. And how fortunate we all are that it does not occur to him."

Superman should not spend his time mourning a dead world he never knew. I see Superman as a person who is shaped by a heritage he has to find, but interprets in a manner that affects how he behaves as a human. The idea that he comes from an alien world is not some huge issue of fundamentals. It was a reflection of Siegel and Shuster's own heritage. Their parents were immigrants (Jewish at that). So Superman being this outsider who comes to earth (America) and assimilates, is the actual idea behind the character. Not this guy who can never be human and wishes to be. He is not Pinocchio wanting to be a real boy (human). My view is not one left to solitude though. Author and cultural theorist Scott Bukatman states that Superman " is also representative of the United States dedication to "progress and the 'new'" through his "invulnerable body ... on which history cannot be inscribed.""

He is an allegory for immigration in the United States from Europe. Everyone else has just been over thinking that aspect and turned it into this great emotional conflict. Which is okay. Writers will constantly interpret a character that has been maintained by dozen if not hundreds of other minds. At this point however, I am saying it is time to give it a rest as far as the "I wanna be human, but i'm not and I miss the planet I never knew" routine. This character is so stale because he has not progressed past that yet.

You know why Spider-Man has been such an impressive character? Because he eventually moved on from the death of his Uncle (a brilliant piece of writing by Strazynski). He continues to be Spider-Man, not because he abandons his guilt, but he transcends it and fully adopts his Uncle's mantra on responsibility. It creates a more interesting character. Superman is 71 years old this year. Time to do something new other than have him try to be human. And to that end, he doesn't even have to try. All that separates him are his powers. And those only come from a yellow Sun. Take that away and he bleeds red just like the rest.

And again I'm in close agreement with you.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Well it would be strange if a Watchmen disappointment were to make it more likely for Snyder to helm Superman, but he probably wasn't ever going to get the job anyway.

Snyder got the job. He was offered the gig but turned it down.

 

[Nixon]

Yup, and I was just wondering if the reception Watchmen is getting would make him reconsider turning it down.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

I also concur.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Yup, and I was just wondering if the reception Watchmen is getting would make him reconsider turning it down.

Doubt it. He's already getting his next film Sucker Punch made with Warner Brothers and had a number of projects attached to direct.

 

[Lex Luthor]

I would cheer if I hear the next director say:

"I love and Respect what Richard Donner and Mario Puzo did with Superman but my version of Superman has no connection to their film..."

Works for me.

I enjoy the Donner/Reeve films a great deal, but really have no interest in seeing that continuity continue on into another Superman movie, just as I had no interest in seeing the Burton Batman continuity continue when Batman: Intimidation Game (or whatever it was called) was announced years ago as the next Batman movie that eventually became Batman Begins.

Both sets of films are still very entertaining, and to this day I enjoy them a great deal. However, I firmly believe Nolan's approach was just the shot in the arm that the Batman film franchise needed back in 2005, just as I firmly believe that a complete out and out reboot is what alot of Superman fans (who like the Donner films, but feel a need for a fresh perspective) would really appreciate.

 

[Showtime]

That avatar is really disturbing.

and .... JAMALED?

I'm creating a new one... calling it:

:BaROCKED:

I get more disturbing every day, and more disturbed.

I'd like to hear from any future director of a Superman film that he's going to consult the fan base and use Timm/Dini as consultants on the mythos and the film.

I don't think you'll hear the director say he is going to consult the fanbase, but I think you'll definitely see a young energetic guy who respects and wants to please the fanbase.

What does this mean?

That Jamal Ingle has dropped some knowledge on you.

What Nixon said.

 

[JamalYIgle]

I disagree. Continually separating Superman from humanity and making him distant and so pensive, while at the same time admiring, creates a psychological complex that need not be present in the stories. In fact, Superman/Batman # 3 sums it up nicely
"It is a remarkable dichotomy. In many ways, Clark is the most human of us all. Then...he shoots fire from the skies, and it is difficult not to think of him as a god. And how fortunate we all are that it does not occur to him.

"
This does not mean that he doesn't think about the past nor ignores his place in the universe. He has questions especially in the beginning, this is different than being an immigrant form another country. You are the last of your kind(At the time, that has changed) You were sent to another world, above everyone else, to survive to live on , to represent your lost civilazation. Yes, you're raised as human being but you can never fully be human. It's impossible, it is doomed from the beginning because Kryptonians once they go off world are practically immortal. Eventually everyone he knows will die and he can't change that. In the comics a human female can't bring a Kryptonian child to term, so the possibility of children was out. Kryptonians are not"Advanced humans"... they are genetically different. He is an alien. The fact of the matter Superman will always be that alien outsider.

 

[JamalYIgle]

Superman is not a man.
Superman is not a god.

Why the hell do people love going to either end of the spectrum?

Because most people can't think beyond absolutes.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Because most people can't think beyond absolutes.

Someone has to say it...

What if they are a Sith ?

 

[JamalYIgle]

"that we're gonna stick closely with the comics--for once (no secret offspring and butt kissing to donner)"

except for crystal technology and the fortress of solitude which are in the comics now, right?

 

[Daredevil_2003]

:facepalm

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Zack does have talent, but I think for characters or stories that are more darker in tone, if WB said this is 100% the direction they want the new Superman to go in, he wouldnt be a bad choice. But I think he's not a no-brainer for Supes either.

 

[JamalYIgle]

erm...no, i think (not 100% sure) that that's all donner.

Yeah, it's been this way for a couple of years now

 

[Superark]

Gary Frank is awesome!

 

[Nixon]

Yes he is.

And so is Jamal Ingle.

 

[batman44]

I wonder how long it'll be before they change the FOS again.

 

[stargazer]

Yeah, it's been this way for a couple of years now

And I hope it stays that way for a VERY loong time. I love it.

Also, it looks like the newly formed world of New Krypton in the comics is crystal based, right?

Yes he is.

And so is Jamal Ingle.

Agreed!

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Meh, I don't really care whether Krypton is an ice-sculpture or not. Not important to me.

...At all.

 

[Webhead2006]

it will probably stay around untill dc decides to do another reboot to supes after the upcoming johns one.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

it will probably stay around untill dc decides to do another reboot to supes after the upcoming johns one.

Seriously, what is their deal? I can understand the film gurus not knowing what to do with the character, but how can DC be so ****ed up on it that they have to 'reboot' 3 or 4 times a decade?

 

[sf2]

spidey is back in 2011, where are you, supes??? a full time father now???

 

[Sawyer]

That the director has actually read a Superman comic. *cough*f*** you Singer*cough*

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea it is a bit ridiculous with dc to keep rebooting supes over and over again so many times in one decade. Though i dont know all the reboots/changes since i dont really follow dc comics to much. I know some things here and then but more a fan of the marvel comics.