Gotham The Official Gotham News and discussion thread - Part 1

[DrDoom]

Smith feels like she thinks she's in Batman & Robin.

Her acting is coming across VERY cheesy and over-the-top

 

[Sawyer]

Cheesy and over the top? In a show based on such a high-brow genre of literature?!? That silly b****.

 

[antsman41]

I love Elseworlds, don't get me wrong... but so many of these characters are INO and it's annoying. If you're changing them so much, they are not that character at all.

 

[Sawyer]

I love Elseworlds, don't get me wrong... but so many of these characters are INO and it's annoying. If you're changing them so much, they are not that character at all.

Really? Do tell.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I love Elseworlds, don't get me wrong... but so many of these characters are INO and it's annoying. If you're changing them so much, they are not that character at all.

I think you mean NINY. Not In Name Yet.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Spoiler

oh ****!!!! that's awesome!!!

 

[antsman41]

Really? Do tell.

Essen is not anything close to the character from YO or anything like the early to late 90's character... she's slightly dirty.

Alfred is a straight up dick, and is sadly just playing errand man for Wayne's dying wish (which they somehow secretly knew they'd be killed one day).

Montoya/Allen have no right or reason to be older and higher in the system than Gordon. How will he be a commish over a bunch of people who have been working in the job a lot longer, seems stupid and different just for the sake of having them in the show. These people will need to look up to him, at this rate they'll be reluctant to at best because he is awesome... not because they want to strive to his goodness.

Falcone, being a 'pillar' along side the Wayne's in the city. LOL

Selina. Bah, they're trying to hard to wave the Catwoman stuff in our face and where is there to grow/go from here? She already has a conscious and such while being sort of bad just to make ends meet.

Barbara is whiny and nosey. Barbara has always wanted Jim to put down the gun so they could start a family, not be his sidekick on his war on crime.

I don't know... Smallville/Red Son/Earth One/BTAS/etc. all changed things up but to serve the story, premise, and such. The changes to this show don't benefit the show. It just seems like they changed things are made certain characters have comic based names just to say they have said characters in the show.

It's frustrating, if you're going to go out of your way to include Montoya bring in a young cop during s2 or s3 who will want to be part of Gordon's GCPD. Not some MCU lady who will maybe come around to him being a good guy. Just seems wrong...

Don't even get me started on Nygma or Ivy Pepper (ridiculous name).

 

[antsman41]

What they should do is bring in characters they can flesh out and change for the better or bring something new to the table like how BTAS did.

Hell, tap into the newer villains who just popped up since NML.

I'll give them props for being in Professor Pyg.

 

[shauner111]

Don't let it. Just give it up now.

Please.

Grow up, please. Not everyone is going to like something just because you do.

 

[Jordacar]

So there will be some villain-of-the-week elements after all. I guess that's to be expected.

I wonder how long until Lil' Bruce finds the cavern full of flying rodents.

 

[Sawyer]

Grow up, please. Not everyone is going to like something just because you do.

Oh, I'm well aware of that and I accept it. And as you'll probably find at least a half dozen things to piss and moan about during each and every act break, I'd much rather you just write the show off as not being for you and save us all the trouble.

 

[antsman41]

The boards would be pretty boring if there wasn't any debate or conversation.

If everyone on the Hype loved everything about everything than it'd get pretty stale around here. George Orwell has a little book that expands upon my point...

 

[shauner111]

Yeah Sawyer, so like i said, grow up and take some debating for once. Im allowed to come on this discussion thread and discuss whether i liked or disliked the episode and pick it apart.

I just watched it. The dialogue is again horrendous "Oh fudge!".

Gordon, Bullock, Falcone and Essen (who i like in this show, as an actress anyhow. Not sure about her age) are the only ones playing it straight. I find everyone else thinks it's a Shumacher Batman movie or something.

The whole plot with the missing children did nothing for me. Doesn't help that they got that goof Brett from Pulp Fiction to play one of the kidnappers. I couldn't stop yelling Jules Winfield/Sam Jackson quotes at him.

Carol Kane as Cobblepot's mother? Fantastic choice. The Cobblepot stuff is the bright side of this show.

Alfred is a dick. What a jerk.

I like Jada and she looks great here, but she's really overdoing the accent and delivery. It's right along the lines of Uma Thurman in Batman & Robin. I felt like she was exaggerating her lines beyond what she was doing in the pilot. But the mob stuff is what's interesting to me. Not the child abductions, not the Selina crap. Strictly the GCPD vs the Mob.

Selina is annoying, and so is Barbara. Nygma on the other hand didn't bother me this time around. Probably because he didn't do any riddles.

 

[antsman41]

The whole kid plot felt like an Underdwellers rip-off from BTAS.

Carol Kane was great, but it felt to Burton-y. Jada goes from Schumacher to Nolan, it's weird. Her convo with Falcone and her scream was amazing, yet it's overshadowed with her hammy '66 acting.

This show doesn't know where it wants to be. It's not an easy mix of Comic/Nolan/Burton/Schumacher. It's too easy to feel the different nods and harkening back aspects. It needs a better blender or to pick one of those styles to ape...

 

[Frodo]

I just watched it. The dialogue is again horrendous "Oh fudge!".

Gordon, Bullock, Falcone and Essen (who i like in this show, as an actress anyhow. Not sure about her age) are the only ones playing it straight. I find everyone else thinks it's a Shumacher Batman movie or something.

The whole plot with the missing children did nothing for me. Doesn't help that they got that goof Brett from Pulp Fiction to play one of the kidnappers. I couldn't stop yelling Jules Winfield/Sam Jackson quotes at him.

Carol Kane as Cobblepot's mother? Fantastic choice. The Cobblepot stuff is the bright side of this show.

Alfred is a dick. What a jerk.

I like Jada and she looks great here, but she's really overdoing the accent and delivery. It's right along the lines of Uma Thurman in Batman & Robin. I felt like she was exaggerating her lines beyond what she was doing in the pilot. But the mob stuff is what's interesting to me. Not the child abductions, not the Selina crap. Strictly the GCPD vs the Mob.

I felt the same way, and I was a big fan of the pilot. Alfred here is becoming unlikable. I don't mind him being a gruff but him grabbing Bruce like that , and other parts really made him something he's never been, unlikable. Now I get what they're trying to do with him and Bruce but they went overboard.

Tonewise it doesn't feel like they want to be Nolan and Burton at the same time which makes for jarring shifts from scene to scene. I think the episode was a filler, and its too early to start with your filler episodes . The writing was pretty bad in alot of parts . Hopefully they'll pick up their game next week.

 

[DigificWriter]

To the people complaining about dialogue like 'oh fudge': would you rather the character have said something else and gotten bleeped?

It worked fine for the context, and helped with her overall 'old-fashioned' character performance and appearance.

 

[Herolee10]

Personally, I enjoy the cast selections, the performances, and the overall design of the world that they've created for this show.

Be that as it may, I'm worried that this show hasn't discovered its own solid footing as of yet.

We're two episodes in, and it really feels like they're depending more on an established mythology that everyone knows about, but one where they can't really go all the way and explore it to its depth due to the time period that they're currently in.

Ultimately, the show may end up feeling more like one Giant Tease mixed in with a poor attempt to create a show about Batman's characters (himself included) without them actually being who they are in the comics.

Plus, not to mention...if the goal is to see a more older version of Bruce and Selina somewhere down the line, then they're going to have to recast the actors that are currently portraying them since there's no way that the show will even exist long enough for them to mature into that rightful looking age.

I would say that the show is currently suffering from what "Agents of SHIELD" was suffering from prior to the release of "Winter Soldier".

You keep throwing these nods around about the future and the larger mythology that exists (or will exists), but frankly.... at some point, people are going to get impatient and want to see some of these characters turn into the iconic figures that they're known for being in the comics.

And I'm willing to bet that IF the show manages to go as long as the producers have originally intended, if they don't deliver the goods in giving satisfying conclusions to the arcs and development that were first created regarding the comic book canon characters that are supposed to be alive at the end of this story, then you're going to have a lot of people pissed in the way that others were when all we got, after 10 seasons of SV, was one shot of Welling in the actual superman suit.

 

[Wise]

Bruce listens to metal. Somehow that makes perfect sense haha.

Did anyone notice that Alfred has this weird way of not looking into someone's eyes when he talks to them? Instead he looks at Gordon's forehead or shoulders. Maybe it was just a weirdly blocked scene.

 

[Herolee10]

Anyone else feel like the show should have introduced Bruce (and Selina) at a much older age in the series, where in this scenario....we would see the death of Bruce's parents via flashback?

This way, they would have more tangible material for Bruce's character to go through where he would be at a much closer stage towards becoming Batman, along with the actor that plays him having a chance of actually being allowed to don the cape and cowl at the end of the series if it managed to go on for a few years?

 

[Wise]

Anyone else feel like the show should have introduced Bruce (and Selina) at a much older age in the series, where in this scenario....we would see the death of Bruce's parents via flashback?

This way, they would have more tangible material for Bruce's character to go through where he would be at a much closer stage towards becoming Batman, along with the actor that plays him having a chance of actually being allowed to don the cape and cowl at the end of the series if it managed to go on for a few years?

I think it would've been better if it wasn't.a prequel at all. They should have straight up called it Gotham Central and made it more of a serious cop show just set in Gotham like The Wire or The Shield.

 

[kguillou]

They CAN'T do Gotham Central for one very specific reason: EVERYBODY would be constantly whining and complaining that Batman doesn't show up on the show enough and nobody would give the characters on the show a fair chance to shine. This is why they deliberately made it a prequel series so they dont have to worry about people just wanting Batman.

 

[Silliminite]

The show's concept is perfectly fine. It's just a case of the show not having found it's proper rhythm yet, because the potential is definitely there.

 

[Supernova]

This is my problem and Im sure Im not alone. A premise like this is only so tangable and only so much you can do with it. Your taking essentially the batman character which is what we all love and removing him from the equation completely and focusing on one side character who some may or may not find interesting. Then go and set set it over a decade before batman arrives but still introduce alot of the villians we know who fight batman and who we want to see fight batman, not gordon and the police sqaud. In Batman begins and batman we saw all we needed to see of young bruce and gordon after his parents death and got on with it to older bruces training. We know gotham is corrupt and gordon had an up hill battle fighting crime and crooked cops but is it really interesting enough to hold up over a few seasons? I dont think so. Gordon was a side character in the comics and various other media for a reason, Batman was what we came to see and now Fox wants to trout out a cock tease every week by inhabiting the gotham world with famous villians and over done winks but not gives us the star. Im sorry but thats a no go from this fan. Say what you want and yes the penguin is good as his story but are you really gonna sit thorugh this just to see his rise to power? Its the same issue I had with smallville where I just want to see him be superman, not the younger years of him growing up. Get to the meat and potatoes, not the preparation.

 

[Travesty]

I'm gonna give it 2-3 more episodes. If I can't get into it by then, I'm gonna drop it, unless I hear season 2 is better.

Still waiting on season 2 of Arrow to hit Nertflix, cause I couldn't get through season 1.

 

[antsman41]

If they couldn't outright do GC because of the Batman issue (which GC solved on it's own by using him for a panel every other comic issue), then they should have made this 3-4 years before Bruce returns from overseas and becomes Batman. The mobs would have been at their peak, crazies would be slowly building, and it would lead to the end... when Bats comes during s3 or s4. This show is trying to do that but with a 15-20 year gap instead and it just doesn't fit.