Gotham The Official Gotham News and discussion thread - Part 2

[Breogan]

she was Andy Kaufman's wife on Taxi

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And if that's her Miracle Max's annoying wife too ...
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[The Guard]

Was she a penguin?

Kind of. She was like an elderly version of The Penguin. More or less looked like him, and used her umbrella a lot.

 

[Lilbaz]

Think the show needs to up it's game a bit over the next few episodes. I'm enjoying it and will keep watching. but I can see a lot of people switching off. It just doesn't seem to fit together to well at the moment.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm actually curious as to what they could possibly do for Season 2 if the show gets renewed.

I feel like with everything this show is covering, thus far, in this season.... they won't have much stuff to tell for a whole new season without things feeling really rehashed.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Wasn't a fan of this weeks ep outside of the Dent scenes, but the fall finale looks promising.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm actually curious as to what they could possibly do for Season 2 if the show gets renewed.

I feel like with everything this show is covering, thus far, in this season.... they won't have much stuff to tell for a whole new season without things feeling really rehashed.

Then I guess it's a good thing you're not part of the writing staff.

 

[Herolee10]

Then I guess it's a good thing you're not part of the writing staff.

Indeed.haha

Curious, do you guys think though that THIS season should end with Bruce having his fateful encounter with the Bats underneath his mansion?

And I really wish that they would do some flashback episodes of Bruce's parents so that we get to actually get to see on who they were before they were murdered as opposed to just hearing about their actions.

 

[Lilbaz]

Indeed.haha

Curious, do you guys think though that THIS season should end with Bruce having his fateful encounter with the Bats underneath his mansion?

And I really wish that they would do some flashback episodes of Bruce's parents so that we get to actually get to see on who they were before they were murdered as opposed to just hearing about their actions.

He only ever seems to leave that room to jump fully clothed into the swimming pool. How he's going to discover the bat cave I have no idea. Would be nice to see him designing some weapons or something.

Would be nice to hear a bit more about them. All we know about them is they were rich and nice then they were killed.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm actually surprised that the show's creators haven't already brought back Bruce's Parents to do Flashbacks as of yet.

I mean no other live action incarnation of Batman, under any format, have really dealt with what the Wayne Family was really like long before their deaths.

Batman Begins explored some of it, but given that it was a 2 Hour movie about Batman, they could only show so much.

Here they can really explore the Wayne mythology and really develop the Wayne family on screen in ways that other interpretations haven't as of yet.

 

[Infinity9999x]

So, I finally decided to give this show a shot and see what I thought.

Disclaimer: I wasn't a fan of this as a concept. My favorite incarnation of Gotham is one that had no freaks in it until AFTER Batman showed up. I like the idea that maybe Gotham would have been better off if Bruce hadn't shown up, and that his presence may have escalated things. Also, I had (and still have) a fear that this show will do what Smallville eventually did: progress characters more than they should be given the parameters of the show. I don't want to see Two-Face scarred or Riddler go full Riddler before Batman shows up.

However, after having caught up to the show, once I accepted that in this interpretation of Gotham is one in which the freaks were always there under the surface and are slowly crawling out after the death of the Waynes (symbolically the death of the only source of hope in the city), I was okay with it. The first episode was rough, but honestly, it was stronger than both AOS and Arrow's pilots were. It's still finding it's footing right now, but it's actually been actively improving pretty noticeably since it's begun.

What it gets right: Harvey and Gordon are perfect. They're both solid, and I'm enjoying watching their partnership grow. Penguin is GREAT! I love this take on the character. It's shaping up to be as good an adaptation as Deathstroke was on Arrow. The most surprising for me though: Bruce and Selina. They got lucky and nabbed some very solid child actors. They both do a wonderful job of conveying two broken children without coming off as caricatures. And Alfred and Bruce's chemistry is great.

The not so good: It still bugs me when we start getting into some of the more "freakish" villains. Balloon man, the hitman that randomly uses his pointy thingy and never a gun, again, I just like it better when the more outrageous villains aren't too prominent until Batman shows up. However, the goat killer? Great stuff. I'm actually bummed they caught the mastermind behind it so quickly. I would have liked to see that be a reoccurring villain. That's the kind of thing I don't mind seeing in a pre-Batman Gotham. Serial Killers of that nature exist in the real world, and also fit in that nice gray line between comic absurdness and film noir.

The only other thing: Barbara. And it's not the actress' fault. It's the writers. They've just written her to do some incredibly stupid things. Tonight's being a chart topping dumb move.

The only other thing I'd like to see them improve upon is learn when to apply the more in your face over the top moments and when to use subtlety. Harvey's freak out in tonight's episode for example. I like the idea, not the execution. It was too on the nose. And just dumb. A DA isn't going to threaten a high profile mark in front of the guy's lawyers. That's just stupid. They easily could have done something more restrained that still showed Harvey has a few screws loose.

Overall though, I'm really enjoying the show. I'm still worried it's going to go the way of Smallville and push things too far, but right now, I like the set up.

 

[Lilbaz]

Seems strange that they pulled Lovecraft out of nowhere.Just to have Dent go nuts on him.

Hope they do train the actor who plays Bruce to fight during the show. I want to see some serious improvement by next season and him learning a bit more than boxing. Also put on a tracksuit.

 

[Comics]

Dent's freak-out was so unbelievable.

Barbara Gordon School Of Acting

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Gotham managed to stay above 1 million last night here in the UK. Even with stiff competition from I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!:

1.07m

This show is holding up remarkably well.

 

[The Shape]

I love what they're doing with this interpretation of Bruce, showing him testing and pushing himself, while actively trying to make himself smarter. He's inquisitive; I've noticed that he's constantly asking questions and when he looks at people who are talking to him, it almost seems like he's studying them and trying to get a read on them.

It's more believable that, after continuing down this path and eventually training harder, this boy can grow up to be someone as capable and resourceful as Batman -- rather than just go away for several years and come back as Batman.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Barbara Gordon hot as hell but completely useless character so far. I hope the producers have a plan for the character.


Hey how far are we away from her giving birth to Jim Jr?

 

[Ajendo]

Barbara is such a ***** and the way she's been written is how so many women NOT all but many women annoyingly behave....applying no sensible and logical train of thought.

After Jim pleaded and rationalised with her to get out if town and even put her on a bus she decides it's a fantastic idea to come back only to get herself into trouble and not only put her life at risk but to compromise Jim's too, making the plan he had all the more harder.

Then, she calls him at the most inconvenient of times and basically gets told she'll get spoken to later as there are important things going on and then she absurdly takes it personally to the point that she leaves. Really??

Not only that but she then fabricates a letter saying she's left town only to run into bed with another woman, still in Gotham, risking her life, still risking Jim's and bloody hell, I can't stand flaky and irrational women like that and the sad thing is, there are many women like that. Barbara ' s really pissed me off for the last few weeks now and I hope she dies...and they wonder why men behave the way they do.

Rant done. Now on a calmer note, I'm really loving the Bruce/Alfred relationship, it gets better every week and Selina staying at Wayne Manor was fun and interesting.

 

[Dr Lee]

Have the Gotham writers been taking lessons in writing Barbara from the Arrow writers and Laurel?

The food scene must have been fun to film.

 

[Comics]

Barbara is such a *****

I hope she dies.

She's protected by canon, non?

 

[Rodrigo90]

Barbara Gordon hot as hell but completely useless character so far. I hope the producers have a plan for the character.

Getting her up the duff with Batgirl would make her useful.

 

[p4poetic]

Barbara is such a ***** and the way she's been written is how so many women NOT all but many women annoyingly behave....applying no sensible and logical train of thought.

After Jim pleaded and rationalised with her to get out if town and even put her on a bus she decides it's a fantastic idea to come back only to get herself into trouble and not only put her life at risk but to compromise Jim's too, making the plan he had all the more harder.

Then, she calls him at the most inconvenient of times and basically gets told she'll get spoken to later as there are important things going on and then she absurdly takes it personally to the point that she leaves. Really??

Not only that but she then fabricates a letter saying she's left town only to run into bed with another woman, still in Gotham, risking her life, still risking Jim's and bloody hell, I can't stand flaky and irrational women like that and the sad thing is, there are many women like that. Barbara ' s really pissed me off for the last few weeks now and I hope she dies...and they wonder why men behave the way they do.

Rant done. Now on a calmer note, I'm really loving the Bruce/Alfred relationship, it gets better every week and Selina staying at Wayne Manor was fun and interesting.

Don't like a (usually female) character? Solution, must die.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'd disagree with Ajendo's description. I don't know ANY women dumb enough to go "Hmm, a Mob boss just sent people who threatened my life because of my boyfriend. I'm going to go and try to reason with him."

That's just bad, and incredibly unrealistic writing. Before the Falcone stuff, I really didn't mind Barbra, and I'm actually a bit surprised people were so annoyed with her. I mean, I would have acted the same way. If a former friend who was a cop shows up and says, "hey, I think your significant other may have killed someone," followed by that significant other acting oddly, I would be worried as well.

But the Falcone thing combined with last night's twist (another bad writing choice) was what really put it over the edge for me. It's like the writers are trying to make her unlikeable. I feel bad for the actress.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Don't like a (usually female) character? Solution, must die.

Yep and why is that a solution only for female characters? Also she's a cannon character has to give birth twice don't she,

 

[Nathan]

What annoys me in Arrow, is that when women do get killed off, it's the decent ones. Yet all the horrible written ones make it out alive and get shoved down our throat.

 

[Just_Human]

Gordon sounds like John Blake IMO

 

[The Shape]

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