Gotham The Official Gotham News and discussion thread - Part 2

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, although the show has issues.... I don't think the age thing is quite a issue (as of yet).

1. Hasn't penguin always been a lot older than Batman in the comics? I mean the impression that I got from seeing Penguin the comics was that when Bruce was in his late 20's, Penguin was in his mid to late 40's. Penguin, in this show, doesn't seem like he's 30 years old yet. If anything, he looks like he's in his mid to late 20's and Bruce is only 12 year's old. Harvey Dent looks like he's only in his early to mid 20's at the very latest.

2. We already know that the "Scarecrow" the show plans on introducing won't be the same one that Bruce ends up encountering in the future.

3. It's just really Falcone, Maroni, and even Bullock's current ages that are the issues here, imho. I don't expect Falcone to live till the series finale and Bullock is currently at the age where I would have preferred him to be at when Bruce is finally Batman.

Riddler. Penguin is fine, but everyone else being over a decade older then Bruce does not work imo.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm fine with Penguin, Riddler, even Joker being 10-ish years older than Bruce. The mob bosses are also fine being significantly older, imo. We've still got Catwoman, Poison Ivy and Hush at this point that are his age. Hopefully more younger characters to come. Victor Fries is another one they could introduce as an adult, imo, as I've always thought of him as being significantly older than Bruce. And I think it would be fun to see him young and happy with his (doomed) wife Nora.

The only age problem I have with the show so far is the Harveys (both Bullock and Dent). I really wish they would have stuck with Harvey Dent being Bruce's age, because they missed out on a potential childhood friend and scene partner for Bruce that wasn't Selina, Alfred or Gordon. I feel like he needs someone else his age to bounce off of and Harvey would have been a great option. Still crossing my fingers for Roman Sionis as a kid, though. Especially since we've met his dad already. And Bullock's age is...ok, but I would have preferred him to be either Gordon's age or even slightly younger. Logue is so good in the role that I don't mind, though.

 

[godisawesome]

I keep thinking that the balance for this last episode was pretty good, with the exception of the Barbara scenes. Hers are so disconnected from the main plots now that they've strung her out. It's not particularly fair to the actress or the character to give her piecmeal progress after having her status quo flipped upside down. In the same way that Bruce and Alfred's absence allows them to clean up some threads before getting some serious time to rededicate to them, it would have been better if she had an actual plot arc to her segments in the last two weeks.

That's part of the reason why the last few mob episodes have been good; they got deep enough into the storyline that they had to expend most of their running time making it work, and lo and behold, a subplot with that many skilled actors and classic conflict bases was really good.

If they have a focus on goals for the characters in each episode, they can actually do something. I hope they keep that up with Bruce and Alfred in their return. I wouldn't mind seeing if Bruce has any plans on becoming lil' Matches Malone, or if Alfred had to deal with a rival in the form of a ruthless French manhunter...

 

[BestGirl]

I don't see what the big deal is with Batman's villains being 10+ years older than him. I've always imagined Batman being about 30, which would put his villains in the 40-45 range, which is fine by me. His foes aren't really physical threats, anyway. They just hurl goons at Batman in a bid to slow him down while they try to pull off their evil schemes. Being older than Batman would actually be quite the advantage for his villains if you think about it. Age will give them the experience they need to outwit the world's greatest detective.

 

[Human Torch]

As I've said before,the only villains I could see being significantly older than him are Mr Freeze & Scarecrow. Ironically,it looks like they're going with a proto-Scarecrow for this show.

 

[Hunter Rider]

They really upped the ante with Falcone this week, that scene at Fish's place was cold as a mother-in-law's hug.

The Electrocutioner stuff was really good except for the way he was taken out, it felt a bit lazy or maybe they were just low on budget to film a bigger set piece.

Felt for poor Jim when that cop came in and cut him off in the middle of getting some sugar lol. Morena Baccarin is gorgeous and the two have clicked well.

 

[Kane52630]

They really upped the ante with Falcone this week, that scene at Fish's place was cold as a mother-in-law's hug.

The Electrocutioner stuff was really good except for the way he was taken out, it felt a bit lazy or maybe they were just low on budget to film a bigger set piece.

Felt for poor Jim when that cop came in and cut him off in the middle of getting some sugar lol. Morena Baccarin is gorgeous and the two have clicked well.

I thought it worked mostly because it was a nod (I think) to Arkham Origins.

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[Orb]

The Red Hood is coming...

CBR News: Tell me about what's been the fun discovery as the show has gotten further into production, to the point where you are now. What was the excitement of the discoveries you made along the way?


With "Gotham" picked up for a second season, Heller's plans to continue to evolve its characters will continue unabated

Bruno Heller: I guess the fun thing about the show is, once it got up and running, the characters and the city itself took on a life of their own. So really, the stories have been telling themselves. The characters have been taking the story by the scruff of the neck and pulling them forward. I think, more specifically, it's been wonderful to see a new young actor like Robin [Lord Taylor] just grab hold of a role and shake it and make it his own.
Every day on the show, because it's such a full and vibrant world, it feels like we can go anywhere with the story. When I started the thing, I was very concerned that it didn't fall into a pattern, that it didn't become formulaic or procedural. And so, it's been a great joy. For all the writers involved, it's like having a sandbox full of a hundred different toys rather than just one single gimmick. Which, especially on network TV, that tends to be what you have to work with. Whereas with this, it's an epic. And the deeper we get into it, the more exciting the world is.
Give me a sense of the back half of the season as far as the tone, plotlines and who's going to rise to more prominence.
Well, Morena Baccarin, playing Leslie Thompkins, has arrived. She's going to be a big figure in Gordon's life. We're going to see a slow but dramatic change in the Riddler story. Ed is going to be confronted with some serious troubles that start changing his character in a very profound way. I think for Gordon, even as he starts, to a degree, conquering the politics of the GCPD and acquiring the kind of power and leverage he needs to make changes, his personal life and his moral balance are on much shakier ground. So I think towards the end of the season, you're going to see someone who is at the height of his career, but personally at a very low ebb -- or at a very dangerous ebb.
Here's the thing -- which I'm not used to because I've been working previously on "The Mentalist," where you can kind of tell people the whole season and you're not giving anything away really, because it's, hey, we're going to solve crimes. With this, I'm very careful, I don't want to give away too much story because, more so than most shows, this is the joy of story, the joy of storytelling, the joy of hearing stories. And that's the DC Universe. Anything can happen. The unexpected with happen. The tragic will happen. The funny will happen.


Though it remains costume-free for now, Heller reveals plans for an episode that will explore that particular trope by introducing Red Hood to the "Gotham" mix

Can you say if will it remain a costume-free season?
That's a good question. Especially now that we have a pick up, I always take a long-term view of a show. I'm looking at several years. So we're in no hurry to [do that] -- there's going to be an episode that involves the Red Hood, which picks up that strand, the costume strand, and sort of gives a kind of philosophical base, if that's not too pretentious a word. Why costumes? What's the power of costumes? What's the power of a mask? All of that groundwork will be laid sort of culturally for that side of the DC Universe before we start rolling into the more spectacular spandex type of deal.
Because -- I can't remember where I read it -- the reason that the comic book characters wore costumes is because in the very rough printing that they used to have in newspapers, that's the only way you could make a character pop. "Oh, that's Batman, that's Superman, that's Dick Tracy." On TV, you don't need that same color and signature to make people pop. It's the characters that pop. So we're never going to be a full-on costume drama. We're going to be a full-on character drama. Like Batman, there's the super powers, super will, and there's super strength, but only on a human level. Not on a supernatural level. It's very important, again, for the longevity of the show, that we take this step by step.
Tell me a little bit about what you have planned for Bruce and Alfred, because lately we've seen those two characters become more and more integrated into the action of the show.
My first thought about Bruce and Alfred was that Alfred must have been a right piece of work to allow and encourage and enable Bruce Wayne to become Batman. So that was the nut of the thing. But this is not a guy -- he's not the fragile old geezer that the original Alfred was. He's much more in the vein of the Michael Caine Alfred. But as the season rolls on, he becomes more and more of a genuine parent. And there's all the conflict and intention that underlies the real parenting relationship, as opposed to a master-servant relationship.
But again, that's one of those [things] -- Bruce doesn't turn into Batman for some years, and this is very much the life of a young kid and those changes. Everyone grows up slowly. It's not a series of spectacular transformations. He's not bitten by a spider. It's an education. And that's really how we're playing that. Especially because we have such a brilliant young actor in David Mazouz, and a wonderful comic, but still very real and mature person, in Sean Pertwee. They're a wonderful combination, so we're really going to take that in a very natural, step-by-step direction.


The evolution of Edward Nygma continues in the second half of Season One

Did the second season pickup change the plans at all for Season One, or alter your storytelling approach for the remainder of the season? Did you want to set up something big for Season Two as you moved toward the end?
No, because I always take the optimistic view. I assume, when we start, that we're going to get picked up because we're making it work. So again, because we're planning far ahead, you have to with these kind of epic storylines.
What it does is, it makes the other kind of planning for Season Two much easier. Hiring directors, getting ahead of the scripts -- that kind of thing. But, it also means that it allows us to double-down on the strengths of the shows that we know are going in the right direction. We'd always planned for the end of the season to be as big and spectacular and as shocking and as frightening and as sensational as it possibly can be. And we're going ahead with that plan.
Are there any characters that you were quietly planning for Season Two that you now can say, "Yes, we'll be introducing that one when we return?"
No. I wish I could!

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[CaptainWagner]

Great to hear that the Red Hood is showing up. Still hoping they can somehow get Mark Hamill for the role.

 

[Golgo-13]

Great to hear that the Red Hood is showing up. Still hoping they can somehow get Mark Hamill for the role.

Then you'll really hear people complaining about the age thing.

 

[Human Torch]

I get a kick out of how even the showrunners are surprised at this show's success. I get the sense they only planned short term and so now that they're getting full length seasons they're like "How the hell do we actually keep this thing going for another year?"

I can see next year Crazy Quilt's older cousin arrives in Gotham.Panic ensues.

This thing could easily crash and burn before long if they're not careful.

 

[Bathead]

Great to hear that the Red Hood is showing up. Still hoping they can somehow get Mark Hamill for the role.

No, let's give Hamill a freaking break. He's done WAY more than his fare share in the role, let someone else have a shot at it. Besides, IIRC there was more than the one Red Hood, the one that became the Joker was only one of many hired by his supposed partners.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Great news on The Red Hood, ideal for this show.

I thought it worked mostly because it was a nod (I think) to Arkham Origins.

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I was expecting a Bat supersoaker to be whipped out!

 

[CaptainWagner]

No, let's give Hamill a freaking break. He's done WAY more than his fare share in the role, let someone else have a shot at it. Besides, IIRC there was more than the one Red Hood, the one that became the Joker was only one of many hired by his supposed partners.

That was my point. Since there's no way Hamill will ever play a live action Joker, it would be a cool nod to cast him as the original Red Hood.

 

[bullets]

Hamill is about to show up on The Flash reprising a villain he played years ago in a more serious tone. I'd leave it at that.

 

[bullets]

I don't see what the big deal is with Batman's villains being 10+ years older than him. I've always imagined Batman being about 30, which would put his villains in the 40-45 range, which is fine by me. His foes aren't really physical threats, anyway. They just hurl goons at Batman in a bid to slow him down while they try to pull off their evil schemes. Being older than Batman would actually be quite the advantage for his villains if you think about it. Age will give them the experience they need to outwit the world's greatest detective.

I really can't see why people are having issues with the age difference. We're probably not going to see Batman fighting these guys anyway.

 

[X Knight]

so I just started watching the series and I'm only 2 eps in.

but, so far, I'm really liking it!!

 

[X Knight]

ok, I'm 8 eps in now and I'm LOVING this show.

 

[Gee]

Colm Feore is the Dollmaker!

http://deadline.com/2015/01/colm-feore-cast-the-dollmaker-gotham-1201358290/

 

[X Knight]

^ Dollmaker is the one they were shipping the abducted street kids to, right?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

^ Dollmaker is the one they were shipping the abducted street kids to, right?

Yes.

Great casting choice.

 

[Lencho01]

Ben McKenzie Talks GOTHAM, Jim Gordon, and Upcoming Villains

 

[Sawyer]

Colm Feore is the Dollmaker!

http://deadline.com/2015/01/colm-feore-cast-the-dollmaker-gotham-1201358290/

He's capable of being creepy as ****, so I'm into this.

 

[X Knight]

Yes.

Great casting choice.

thanks.

 

[Sawyer]

I saw Ben McKenzie favorited this on Twitter...

https://***********/JulienRicoJr/status/559801179719630848