The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 3

[jadejaws]

all that third person nonsense will get old very quick, at least to me, and I'm one of the biggest fans in the world.

It's unbelievable to me how much "non love" the Savage Hulk gets these days. Can I ask how old you are Doc?

 

[Quasimod0]

why not use the guy that voices him in the cartoons?

 

[BigThor]

why not use the guy that voices him in the cartoons?

Fred Tasticore?

His Hulk voice is fantastic, he'd be a great choice for Hulk's voice in live action as well.

 

[Doc Samson]

It's unbelievable to me how much "non love" the Savage Hulk gets these days. Can I ask how old you are Doc?

Old enough that my first Hulk comic ever was him against the Absorbing Man on Easter Island, drawn by Sal Buscema . (Frank Miller on the cover though)

One of my favorite Hulk outs too, by the way, held underground by the leg, I can remember this story like it was yesterday.

Age has nothing to do with my opinion on him talking however. I prefer the Savage Hulk, that's my favorite incarnation, I just wouldn't want to hear the third person stuff constantly. Just because it works in comics doesn't necessarily guarantee it will on film.

I'm a diehard Batman fan too, and can't stand Catwoman, Riddler or Penguin. I don't think there's any requirements you can use to distinguish someone's opinion based on their preference

 

[terry78]

Savage is the version most average people know, but he didn't start off that way, and currently isn't that way. He doesn't need to be as talky as Professor Hulk, but not almost brain dead like Savage. Just kind of an angsty guy that doesn't always feel like talking, but is coherent for the most part. Like, he knows what you're saying, and can usually just give a look to respond to it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Savage is the version most average people know, but he didn't start off that way, and currently isn't that way. He doesn't need to be as talky as Professor Hulk, but not almost brain dead like Savage. Just kind of an angsty guy that doesn't always feel like talking, but is coherent for the most part. Like, he knows what you're saying, and can usually just give a look to respond to it.

"Savage" Hulk wasn't brain dead. He was more childlike. Anyway, when people say "Savage" Hulk, they need to distinguish between two different eras of this incarnation. There's the version that most people know who talks in the third person, says "Hulk Smash" and appears in the old cartoon as voiced by Lou Ferrigno. He's the version that is closely associated with Sal Buscema.

Then there's the truly savage, mindless Hulk that existed from about #300 onwards, when he was banished to another dimension by Dr Strange. This Hulk seemed to have no trace of Banner in him and could not even speak. He was also like this when he was eventually physically separated from Banner in #315. This version is what you would truly call brain dead.

The TV live action Hulk, although he couldn't speak, is closer to the childlike, Sal Buscema Hulk, who just wants to be left alone but is good at heart deep down.

 

[BigThor]

Savage is the version most average people know, but he didn't start off that way, and currently isn't that way. He doesn't need to be as talky as Professor Hulk, but not almost brain dead like Savage. Just kind of an angsty guy that doesn't always feel like talking, but is coherent for the most part. Like, he knows what you're saying, and can usually just give a look to respond to it.

This describe The version of Hulk used in A:EMH perfectly.

 

[Xeno]

There are too many versions of Hulk and every other character running around all of the Marvel (Comics) Universes now. Red Hulk, Grey Hulk, Green Skar, ad infinitum. I can't keep track of them all. Ultimate Hulk is a serial killing cannibal, but what is 616 Hulk like now?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

gravage/green scar, grey hulkish personality and powerful like green hulk to put it simply. lol. but that was greg pak's, hulk has new writers and idk what direction they're going with.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

It's incredible how you said you wanted to give that sentence context and then you totally stripped it from it. I addressed that in Hulk's comics there's magic and whatnot but magic is not what made Banner the Hulk but science plus fiction.



If by handicapped you mean made more popular, serious and realistic than what comics could have ever make it to be, then I agree.



And El Payaso has not said otherwise.

The hulk was shown to a wider audience and this increased his visibility. However, in the TV show people remember a creature that could not talk, would get hurt by bullets and was just superhuman. The Hulk to work in the Avengers needs to talk (which he did in the movie) and have a strength which is awe inspiring. Otherwise, he has no place in the team which is what I am hoping for. This is made difficult because in the eyes of many who knew only the TV show this Hulk has already transformed into a much greater being so what would be the difficulty for him to have changed that much more for this movie especially as the last "Banner" image of the Incredible Hulk showed him controlling a transformation.

Now, one thing I would like to make clear to you is that I am not attempting to enter into a conflict over this subject and I never claimed you stated the Hulk should not talk. At the end of the day, all we want is the Hulk to have a good showing in a very good movie.

 

[Dark Raven]

The hulk was shown to a wider audience and this increased his visibility. However, in the TV show people remember a creature that could not talk, would get hurt by bullets and was just superhuman. The Hulk to work in the Avengers needs to talk (which he did in the movie) and have a strength which is awe inspiring. Otherwise, he has no place in the team which is what I am hoping for. This is made difficult because in the eyes of many who knew only the TV show this Hulk has already transformed into a much greater being so what would be the difficulty for him to have changed that much more for this movie especially as the last "Banner" image of the Incredible Hulk showed him controlling a transformation.

Now, one thing I would like to make clear to you is that I am not attempting to enter into a conflict over this subject and I never claimed you stated the Hulk should not talk. At the end of the day, all we want is the Hulk to have a good showing in a very good movie.

Well Hulk in the Avengers would definitely need to be stronger than in the TV show, that's for sure lol. Practically every other comic hero who has appeared on screen is stronger than him: Iron Man, Thor, Spider-Man, Thing, possibly Captain America, quite a few of the X-Men.

 

[Godzilla2014]

As far as Hulk's voice goes, I think it should sound very deep to suggest his size.

 

[Weadazoid]

Ferigno's voice ispretty deep

 

[Kirmit]

There are too many versions of Hulk and every other character running around all of the Marvel (Comics) Universes now. Red Hulk, Grey Hulk, Green Skar, ad infinitum. I can't keep track of them all. Ultimate Hulk is a serial killing cannibal, but what is 616 Hulk like now?

I agree that there's too many Hulk's out there, I think they should get rid of red hulk, red she hulk, all hulk personalities except green scar, even grey hulk, who I was never that fond of. IMO they should keep green scar, she hulk and Skaar, no more and just expand their personalties.

 

[BigThor]

I agree that there's too many Hulk's out there, I think they should get rid of red hulk, red she hulk, all hulk personalities except green scar, even grey hulk, who I was never that fond of. IMO they should keep green scar, she hulk and Skaar, no more and just expand their personalties.

I was never really fond of Gray Hulk either and I can't stand Red Hulk.

Green Scar and Savage Hulk are the only Hulk's I really care about, I'm fine with She-Hulk and Skaar existing but I'm not crazy about them.

 

[Kirmit]

I was never really fond of Gray Hulk either and I can't stand Red Hulk.

Green Scar and Savage Hulk are the only Hulk's I really care about, I'm fine with Sge-Hulk and Skaar existing but I'm not crazy about them.

To be honest I've never read any she hulk stuff, I'd only keep her because of how long shes been about and that she seems like a fan favourite. As for Skaar, I like him, he's a Hulk with a difference, I'm particularly fond of the student/teacher relationship him and Banner had.

 

[jadejaws]

Old enough that my first Hulk comic ever was him against the Absorbing Man on Easter Island, drawn by Sal Buscema . (Frank Miller on the cover though)

One of my favorite Hulk outs too, by the way, held underground by the leg, I can remember this story like it was yesterday.

Age has nothing to do with my opinion on him talking however. I prefer the Savage Hulk, that's my favorite incarnation, I just wouldn't want to hear the third person stuff constantly. Just because it works in comics doesn't necessarily guarantee it will on film.

I'm a diehard Batman fan too, and can't stand Catwoman, Riddler or Penguin. I don't think there's any requirements you can use to distinguish someone's opinion based on their preference

That's a great issue....definitely one of my favorites.

I suppose constant third person language for an entire film might get redundant, but it should be included in my opinion. To me, the Savage Hulk IS THE HULK, and having him talk that way is iconic. Gravage is okay, but he tends to be devious and that's something that I can't connect with in the character.

Regarding your last line...I suppose not, but it seems as though younger fans have a severe distaste for the classic Hulk. This is why I posed that question to you.

 

[Weadazoid]

on the whole topic of persona..... The movies thus far have gone with the savage Hulk IMO...... child like tempertantrum..... there was more rage in the Increadible Hulk



as to my personal fave..... look I loved the run of the grey Hulk under Mcfarlane.... He was a beast even if he wasn't as strong as the green Hulk.... Mr. Fixit was on odd time, I really didn't like Hulk opposite Banner, nor did I love the whole thing where the Grey Hulk could only manifest at night under the cover of darkness. Anyway I prefer the Hulk as he should be in shreaded clothes, not in custom made silk.


It all lead up to one of my favorite storylines though........ the merger the realization that Banners personas had split from damage done in child hood, that the gamma radiation blast coincided with Banners first true break from reality where the child savior arrived in the Green Hulk.... only to be bested so to speak and put under lock and key by the teen age Grey Hulk.


THe Professor had everything, and IMO was one of the most powerful incarnations of the Hulk ever designed/created.

 

[Doc Samson]

That's a great issue....definitely one of my favorites.

I suppose constant third person language for an entire film might get redundant, but it should be included in my opinion. To me, the Savage Hulk IS THE HULK, and having him talk that way is iconic. Gravage is okay, but he tends to be devious and that's something that I can't connect with in the character.

Regarding your last line...I suppose not, but it seems as though younger fans have a severe distaste for the classic Hulk. This is why I posed that question to you.

TBH, I stopped reading the Hulk completely after Bruce Jones' run, so most of the newer incarnations I have no basis or knowledge about whatsoever.

I'm always going to be partial to the Peter David era stuff, that's mostly my upbringing, but I think the Savage Hulk is the Hulk as well. I just don't think they need to be so strict with the third person speech, I think he can speak gritty, guttural, broken English just the same, and IMO, that would make for a less redundant situation.

Like others have already stated, I can't see any scenario where the Hulk shouldn't speak more, especially because of this being a team where his motivations & allegiance will be questioned anyway. He needs to verbalize exactly where he stands in regards to that, I just hope it's not so childish ALL of the time.

 

[Lantern Venom]

It's unbelievable to me how much "non love" the Savage Hulk gets these days. Can I ask how old you are Doc?

It isn't that I hate the Savage as much as I am bored with Hulk being nothing but "rage and roar". Hulk has had two big screen appearances and he's said a total of 5 lines. It's time for some more character development.

What turned me against the TV series was picking up the comic book somewhere around 1981. Even though the Hulk was simplistic in his thought patterns back then, he seemed like Prince Hamlet in comparison to the dimwitted version on the TV show. I realized this at age 8.

30 years later and GenPop's perception of the Hulk is still that of a nearly-mute monster. The Avengers flick is a good opportunity for Marvel to open up the proverbial playbook and hook a new audience on the Hulk's rich mythos.

 

[Lantern Venom]

To me, the Savage Hulk IS THE HULK, and having him talk that way is iconic. Gravage is okay, but he tends to be devious and that's something that I can't connect with in the character.

Regarding your last line...I suppose not, but it seems as though younger fans have a severe distaste for the classic Hulk. This is why I posed that question to you.

The only things I dislike about the classic version is the flat head on the earliest art and the concept of Hulk's heart rate getting too fast and turning him back into Bruce.

 

[Godzilla2014]

It isn't that I hate the Savage as much as I am bored with Hulk being nothing but "rage and roar". Hulk has had two big screen appearances and he's said a total of 5 lines. It's time for some more character development.

What turned me against the TV series was picking up the comic book somewhere around 1981. Even though the Hulk was simplistic in his thought patterns back then, he seemed like Prince Hamlet in comparison to the dimwitted version on the TV show. I realized this at age 8.

30 years later and GenPop's perception of the Hulk is still that of a nearly-mute monster. The Avengers flick is a good opportunity for Marvel to open up the proverbial playbook and hook a new audience on the Hulk's rich mythos.

I agree!

 

[Destructus86]

Hulk is not an easy character for the GA to like. Giving him some personality and a little talking will go a long way towards getting the GA to accept him more.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Hulk is not an easy character for the GA to like. Giving him some personality and a little talking will go a long way towards getting the GA to accept him more.

Agreed. Showing Hulk smashing stuff isn't enough to get the audience emotionally invested in the character so they care if he wins or loses.

 

[steintym]

I think portraying him like his character in Earth's Mightiest Heros would go a long way towards him being a favorite with the GA.

He does quite a bit of speaking (both in third person and broken English), is rather funny and is definitely a powerhouse.