The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 3

[Oruku Saki]

Hulk needs to SMASH PUNY LEVIATHAN!

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

Hulk is the nuclear weapon of the team, and that's how they are going to play him up. When Banner finally does pop and sets the Hulk free, it's going to be fun as hell to watch him smash everyone who challenges him.

 

[BigThor]

Hulk is the nuclear weapon of the team, and that's how they are going to play him up. When Banner finally does pop and sets the Hulk free, it's going to be fun as hell to watch him smash everyone who challenges him.

True, but that's nothing new because that's how they always play him up.

 

[Hulksmashweta]

I thought I would sign up just to say that it was confirmed a couple of months ago that ILM was doing the Hulk

https://twitpic.com/72recl

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...404117603.25870.126245684118875&type=1&ref=nf

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I thought I would sign up just to say that it was confirmed a couple of months ago that ILM was doing the Hulk

https://twitpic.com/72recl

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...404117603.25870.126245684118875&type=1&ref=nf

I wonder what Weta is working on then

 

[Herolee10]

I'm curious to see the Hulk being pushed to his limits and perhaps even beyond in this film since with the interviews that we've gotten, they keep saying on how all of the heroes present are going to be pushed to their absolute limits in this film.

So it won't be like the Hulk being the film's "Deus Ex Machina" where he arrives and saves the day when the rest of the group couldn't.

I think the closest that I've seen the Hulk being pushed to his limits in the MCU was definitely during his fight with the Abomination so far.

 

[Shadowlord X]

I'd have more faith if WETA was doing THE HULK VFX.....ILM did the work on Ang Lee's movie.

I do think a factor that can seriously affect the success of this movie is how real and believable THE HULK looks. If his VFX look fake and take people out of the movie (like it did for his 2 films) then that could have a negative impact. In contrast if they look spectacular real and impress people this could provide a dramatic boost in reception and then BO gross.

 

[Kirmit]

Ang Lee's Hulk had good cgi, really good actually, it was the design and colours that took away his believability. If ILM can get a good design and colour scheme this time I believe we'll have the most impressive Hulk yet.

 

[wobbly]

I'd have more faith if WETA was doing THE HULK VFX.....ILM did the work on Ang Lee's movie.

I do think a factor that can seriously affect the success of this movie is how real and believable THE HULK looks. If his VFX look fake and take people out of the movie (like it did for his 2 films) then that could have a negative impact. In contrast if they look spectacular real and impress people this could provide a dramatic boost in reception and then BO gross.

It's been 8 years since Ang Lee's Hulk, the technology and techniques have improved a lot since then. And for me the problem with that one was as much to do with the design and scale (15ft!!) Ang Lee chose as it was the animation.

'Rythm & Hues' did TIH, and though they had a better design the choice of skin tone with sinews, muscles & bumps all over the body made him look unreal enough to get people thinking it looked too fake (though I really don't get that whole 'takes me out of the movie' stuff. I grew up on Harryhausen's jittery stop motion puppets and never had a problem enjoying them).

Anyways, though WETA holds the crown for me when it comes to creatures (Gollum, Kong & Ceasar are all wonderful benchmarks, as are the District 9 'prawns'), ILM do have Davey Jones in their resume, and he was brilliantly done as well.

Maybe this deal is more of a collaboration? WETA's animators offering advice and techniques to ILM's? I note WETA's website doesn't have the Avengers officially listed as one of their projects so something like that might just be the case.

 

[Shadowlord X]

I didn't have a problem with THE HULK in TIH either but the fake look did take lots of people out of the movie and contributed to it's mediocre BO performance.

Whoever does it let's keep our fingers crossed that they get it right.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ang Lee's Hulk had good cgi, really good actually, it was the design and colours that took away his believability. If ILM can get a good design and colour scheme this time I believe we'll have the most impressive Hulk yet.

Definately, the CGI itself still stands up today, its pretty damn amazing for the time, never understood the complaints on the CGI itself personally.

 

[The Morningstar]

Ang Lee's Hulk had amazing CGI. I don't really see how that can be denied. I can understand if people didn't like the actual design of the Hulk though.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

To me Ang's Hulk was too cartoony looking and I thought that Lettier's (spelling?) Hulk looked more realistic with the muscle definition and the facial expressions and whatnot. That's just me though. But yes, I agree with you that the CGI alone on Ang's Hulk was tremendous.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I didn't have a problem with THE HULK in TIH either but the fake look did take lots of people out of the movie and contributed to it's mediocre BO performance.

Whoever does it let's keep our fingers crossed that they get it right.

Personally, I never had anyone who watched the movie say to me "Hulk looked fake" ..... You guys act like it was claymation puppets (ala Gumby) or something.

 

[marcvader]

I thought that TIH Hulk did look too cg as opposed to it looking like it belonged in its environment. Ang Hulk did a better job of it imo. The latest Hulk blows the other two out of the water from the small glimpse we've seen so far.

 

[Oruku Saki]

See, I think the TIH hulk looked great in certain scenes and looked bad in others. The scene where Hulk breaks out of the glass walkway and screams looks horrible; but then so does the background in that scene. Almost like it wasn't completed before print. Now, the scene of Hulk and Betty on the mountain looked great, as well as the final scenes at night in NY.

 

[Oruku Saki]

I think Ang's Hulk was just way to bright green. His render was great but there were scenes where he didn't really fit well either. Hulk foam, climbing out of hole in the facility where he looks 20+ feet tall etc..All of the outdoor fully rendered scenes of Hulk jumping, running etc looked great

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ang Lee's Hulk had amazing CGI. I don't really see how that can be denied. I can understand if people didn't like the actual design of the Hulk though.

To me Ang's Hulk was too cartoony looking and I thought that Lettier's (spelling?) Hulk looked more realistic with the muscle definition and the facial expressions and whatnot. That's just me though. But yes, I agree with you that the CGI alone on Ang's Hulk was tremendous.

I personally liked the design, but can understand people who didnt.

I thought that TIH Hulk did look too cg as opposed to it looking like it belonged in its environment. Ang Hulk did a better job of it imo. The latest Hulk blows the other two out of the water from the small glimpse we've seen so far.

Yeah, Ang's Hulk tended to blend in better with his environment than TIH Hulk, but neither really looked faith.

 

[DyeLorean]

Yes, I agree. Some shots of Ang Lee's Hulk were great CGI. For me, the design was too human for Hulk. The monster-like details that were added later on Leterrier's (and perfected for Avengers) is what makes it look a lot closer to the original look.

 

[The Morningstar]

I think Ang's Hulk was just way to bright green. His render was great but there were scenes where he didn't really fit well either. Hulk foam, climbing out of hole in the facility where he looks 20+ feet tall etc..All of the outdoor fully rendered scenes of Hulk jumping, running etc looked great

Yea, the action scene in the desert was just amazing. Still one of, if not the best comic book action scene put to film for me.

The part where he was smashing the tanks up was great SFX in particular.

 

[Da-Scribe]

After watching the Russian trailer, I noticed that Hulk has gray in his hair. I guess it's sorta minor, but it's the kinda thing that shows Hulk's humanity. It's also just cool to see that attention to detail.

 

[steintym]

I think the biggest thing that will make or break the Hulk this go around will be how believable he looks interacting with the others. It was one thing to see him fighting and in action in the other movies, but I'll be real curious to see how he interacts with the Avengers. Will he seem like a big green cartoon talking with Thor, Cap, IM? Or will he just seem like another actor?

Obviously, the design needs to be cool, but I think his interactions will be evn more important in this film.

 

[Iceman]

Hulk needs to SMASH PUNY LEVIATHAN!

I agree with this

 

[terry78]

I think the biggest thing that will make or break the Hulk this go around will be how believable he looks interacting with the others. It was one thing to see him fighting and in action in the other movies, but I'll be real curious to see how he interacts with the Avengers. Will he seem like a big green cartoon talking with Thor, Cap, IM? Or will he just seem like another actor?

Obviously, the design needs to be cool, but I think his interactions will be evn more important in this film.

ILM and WETA know how to do seamless when it comes to human actors interacting with CG, you just need to have a point of reference for them.

 

[Oruku Saki]

Yea, the action scene in the desert was just amazing. Still one of, if not the best comic book action scene put to film for me.

The part where he was smashing the tanks up was great SFX in particular.

See and I think they were great scenes as well, but I think they looked so good cause the whole scenes were rendered, i don't even think the backgrounds;sand or sky were real in those shots. I think the problems come into play when you are trying to add in an organic life form into a real background shot. That's where TIH hulk got tricky. He also looked really great when rendered along with rendered backgrounds but not so much against real backgrounds. Although, his overall rendering was nowhere near Ang Hulk as far as texture and realism in eyes and mouth etc.