The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 7

[CGHulk]

 

[Smashlilman]

Third times the charm

 

[Brian Braddock]

Kinda like the shark in the Jaws movies, only in reverse.

 

[Vulklin]

definitely third time lucky

avengers hulk = HULK

the TIH hulk is horrible, too tall and skinny, too weak, no healing, does nothing but roar, cannot jump a few feet let alone a hundred, bullets hurt him, doesn't get stronger as he gets angrier and BORING

 

[Kirmit]

definitely third time lucky

avengers hulk = HULK

the TIH hulk is horrible, too tall and skinny, too weak, no healing, does nothing but roar, cannot jump a few feet let alone a hundred, bullets hurt him, doesn't get stronger as he gets angrier and BORING

We get it, you don't like TIH Hulk but some of the things you're saying are just wrong. Too tall? He's only half a foot taller than TA Hulk, no healing? He obviously did have healing otherwise injuries from earlier in the movie would've shown later. He could jump far obviously as he got from Brazil to Guatemala, they just didn't show it. Bullets hurt him? Nope, more of an irritation, definately didn't hurt him and he did get stronger the angrier he got, how else do you think he overpowered Abomination?

 

[Gamma Ra]

Not really. Bruce Banner/IH is as interesting as a character can get, imo. Norton's performance was simply uninspired.

I see you changed your user name to the one more appropriate for you...LOL.

I thought Nortan was good and I really liked both Hulk films, because I love Monster movies, but they all left much to be desired.

 

[Gamma Ra]

definitely third time lucky

avengers hulk = HULK

the TIH hulk is horrible, too tall and skinny, too weak, no healing, does nothing but roar, cannot jump a few feet let alone a hundred, bullets hurt him, doesn't get stronger as he gets angrier and BORING

The underlined above is the major reason Hulk has not been as big of a hit that everyone at Marvel knows he is. The two movies were excellent and fun monster movies; but as far as Hulk's appeal they lacked the intrinsic components that make Hulk that special character.

It seems they finally got it right.

 

[El Payaso]

The underlined above is the major reason Hulk has not been as big of a hit that everyone at Marvel knows he is. The two movies were excellent and fun monster movies; but as far as Hulk's appeal they lacked the intrinsic components that make Hulk that special character.

It seems they finally got it right.

I'm truly curious. What are these Hulk's intrinsic components?

 

[Cain]

I'm truly curious. What are these Hulk's intrinsic components?

The primary one is that Bruce Banner is not a dullard like Bana and Norton's were written to be. He's not supposed to want you to see him Hulk out cause he's so boring to follow. He's supposed to be part of the conflict the reader/viewer has as to liking the Hulk or Banner more cause they're both fun and likeable characters. At least Bill Bixby's Banner had that.

The Hulk movies so far have been the equivalent of a Bruce Jones comic or a Jeph Loeb comic for better or worse (IMO for worse) and though they have elements I did like none of them have nailed Banner/Hulk yet. If what I hear about Banner/Hulk in Avengers is true then the 3rd time most definitely was the charm.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I'm truly curious. What are these Hulk's intrinsic components?

Yaeah...what Cain said!!!

The primary one is that Bruce Banner is not a dullard like Bana and Norton's were written to be. He's not supposed to want you to see him Hulk out cause he's so boring to follow. He's supposed to be part of the conflict the reader/viewer has as to liking the Hulk or Banner more cause they're both fun and likeable characters. At least Bill Bixby's Banner had that.

The Hulk movies so far have been the equivalent of a Bruce Jones comic or a Jeph Loeb comic for better or worse (IMO for worse) and though they have elements I did like none of them have nailed Banner/Hulk yet. If what I hear about Banner/Hulk in Avengers is true then the 3rd time most definitely was the charm.

I'll also add the little personality that Hulk has shown in the brief TV spot that we have seen....speaks volumes. The Hulk that has lasted for 50 years is not some raging mindless beast that barely knows what's going on around him. El Payaso, I've talked with you about this many times in the past as to what I feel the Hulk had been missing in his characterizations. Just look at my old posts debating you.

Not to mention, I don't want to be accused of posting to many facts to back my conclusions.

 

[Smashlilman]

We get it, you don't like TIH Hulk but some of the things you're saying are just wrong. Too tall? He's only half a foot taller than TA Hulk, no healing? He obviously did have healing otherwise injuries from earlier in the movie would've shown later. He could jump far obviously as he got from Brazil to Guatemala, they just didn't show it. Bullets hurt him? Nope, more of an irritation, definately didn't hurt him and he did get stronger the angrier he got, how else do you think he overpowered Abomination?

I agree with Vulklin. TIH didn't have instant Healing. His anger wasn't tied to his strength. He couldn't super jump anywhere near as far as the hulk should be able to. The only thing that i will agree with you on is that bullets were a mild irritant. They dumbed the Hulk down in that movie because people complained about about Hulk 2003 being too strong and not having a challenge. So instead of increasing the challenge they dumbed down the character to make him more vulnerable.

 

[Mjölnir]

I think The Incredible Hulk had a good story to lead into The Avengers, since it becomes a gradual change in Banner's existence. Banner is more interesting than the Hulk itself in my view so it's good that the focus lies on that. The more of the hero Hulk becomes, the less impact some aspects of Banner has. This way we've gotten to see both sides.

I didn't find it boring at all. I found the tormented Banner to be an interesting part of the Avengers lead ups. A happier Banner makes the struggle lose impact.

 

[Kirmit]

I agree with Vulklin. TIH didn't have instant Healing. His anger wasn't tied to his strength. He couldn't super jump anywhere near as far as the hulk sould be able to. The only thing that i will agree with you on is that bullets were a mild irritant. They dumbed the Hulk down in that movie because people complained about about Hulk 2003 being too strong and not having a challenge. So instead of increasing the challenge they dumbed down the character to make him more vulnerable.

I agree his healing wasn't instantaneous but it was definately present. His anger was obviously linked with his strength, that's how he won the end fight, he saw Betty in trouble, got angry and overpowered Abomination, it was as plain as day. If that example isn't good enough you also have the Campus fight, the sonic machines had him beat, he heard Betty's screams, got angry, gets stronger and frees himself. Lastly, couldn't jump or didn't jump? They're very different things, we didn't see him jump far but I think they made it evident he was able to covering great distances in a short amount of time. I do agree they made Hulk more grounded in reality, bringing his power levels down, which I didn't like.

 

[WildcatNC]

I agree his healing wasn't instantaneous but it was definately present. His anger was obviously linked with his strength, that's how he won the end fight, he saw Betty in trouble, got angry and overpowered Abomination, it was as plain as day. If that example isn't good enough you also have the Campus fight, the sonic machines had him beat, he heard Betty's screams, got angry, gets stronger and frees himself. Lastly, couldn't jump or didn't jump? They're very different things, we didn't see him jump far but I think they made it evident he was able to covering great distances in a short amount of time. I do agree they made Hulk more grounded in reality, bringing his power levels down, which I didn't like.

I agree. Its obvious to me but they did kind of do it subtly rather than over the top. He also gets angrier and overcomes the sonic guns in the campus scene, its just kind of subtle.

 

[Matt Mortem]

The Hulk I saw in The Avengers is the only Hulk I ever want to see. He was perfect!!!! All of you who haven't seen the movie yet are in for a real treat come opening day. The Hulk steals the film.

 

[BigThor]

I agree his healing wasn't instantaneous but it was definately present. His anger was obviously linked with his strength, that's how he won the end fight, he saw Betty in trouble, got angry and overpowered Abomination, it was as plain as day. If that example isn't good enough you also have the Campus fight, the sonic machines had him beat, he heard Betty's screams, got angry, gets stronger and frees himself. Lastly, couldn't jump or didn't jump? They're very different things, we didn't see him jump far but I think they made it evident he was able to covering great distances in a short amount of time. I do agree they made Hulk more grounded in reality, bringing his power levels down, which I didn't like.

Plus Hulk jumped liked 40 feet into the air and body slammed one of those sonic cannons, it was implied that he can jumped much higher due to how easily he did it.

 

[Nathan]

How much did the Hulk talk in the Movie? Did he have the occasional one-liner, you know, classics like "Hulk smash!" and "Hulk is the strongest one there is!", or did he actually have some dialogue?

 

[Gamma Burst]

I see you changed your user name to the one more appropriate for you...LOL.

I thought Nortan was good and I really liked both Hulk films, because I love Monster movies, but they all left much to be desired.

I knew you would be the first to notice, my friend.t:

The primary one is that Bruce Banner is not a dullard like Bana and Norton's were written to be. He's not supposed to want you to see him Hulk out cause he's so boring to follow. He's supposed to be part of the conflict the reader/viewer has as to liking the Hulk or Banner more cause they're both fun and likeable characters. At least Bill Bixby's Banner had that.

The Hulk movies so far have been the equivalent of a Bruce Jones comic or a Jeph Loeb comic for better or worse (IMO for worse) and though they have elements I did like none of them have nailed Banner/Hulk yet. If what I hear about Banner/Hulk in Avengers is true then the 3rd time most definitely was the charm.

And Cain, you really nailed it here.

 

[TX85]

The Hulk I saw in The Avengers is the only Hulk I ever want to see. He was perfect!!!! All of you who haven't seen the movie yet are in for a real treat come opening day. The Hulk steals the film.

I sure hope so!

 

[BigThor]

I knew you would be the first to notice, my friend.t:

I liked you better as "Odinson", I CAST YOU OUT!!!

*Odin voice*

 

[Mjölnir]

I hope I too have the opinion that Hulk is perfect when I watched it. There's been some voices that said he stole the show but there's also been a review that felt that he was the character that worked the least well logically.

 

[Gamma Burst]

I liked you better as "Odinson", I CAST YOU OUT!!!

*Odin voice*

LOL. You know that, in my heart, I'm ''Gamma Odinson''.

 

[Doc Samson]

The primary one is that Bruce Banner is not a dullard like Bana and Norton's were written to be. He's not supposed to want you to see him Hulk out cause he's so boring to follow. He's supposed to be part of the conflict the reader/viewer has as to liking the Hulk or Banner more cause they're both fun and likeable characters. At least Bill Bixby's Banner had that.

Couldn't have said it better, and I've tried at least 300 times. The Banner portrayals thus far have used the repressed emotions angle to a fault. Bixby is the gold standard in that regard because his Banner simply had more range.

He could still flirt, joke, be charismatic. He felt like a real, tangible person with a problem that made the audience care. This was all in the Pilot, which is what I base the comparisons on. Until a solo Hulk film accomplishes that, it still won't work on a higher level regardless of the quality of the f/x.

I agree. Its obvious to me but they did kind of do it subtly rather than over the top. He also gets angrier and overcomes the sonic guns in the campus scene, its just kind of subtle.

I didn't think it was subtle at all. In both instances his eyes glow brighter as he gets stronger.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Not gonna lie, I liked all three and I bet Ruffalo will be better than Norton when I see Avengers, but I'm a huge fan of Norton and a huge fan of The Incredible Hulk. I get the complaints of the "surfer"-like look of Hulk in TIH, but I enjoyed everything about the film.

Hulk would've been a great movie with the Hyde/Jekyll idea...although the idea of Banner fighting his father wasn't needed; Hulk vs the military would've been perfectly fine.

definitely third time lucky

avengers hulk = HULK

the TIH hulk is horrible, too tall and skinny, too weak, no healing, does nothing but roar, cannot jump a few feet let alone a hundred, bullets hurt him, doesn't get stronger as he gets angrier and BORING

Lol.

Just....lol.

Did you watch The Incredible Hulk?

 

[FrostBite]

TIH Hulk is in no way too skinny. He's just not got the "power-lifter" physique. You know what? That makes more sense to the Hulk's abilities than a stocky power-lifter anyway. There's a difference between strength and power (i.e. the power it'd take to jump 3-freaking-miles). And explosive athletes tend to look more like TIH (albeit not as inhumanly cut) than our old dear Hulk. Seeing as I am no purist, that's okay with me. Ironically Feige's "this is an older Hulk" makes a lot of sense. Banner's gotten "thicker" (no I'm not calling Ruffalo fat, but compared to puny Norton, he's a bigger guy) with age and the Hulk looks softer, but has also grown bigger in mass. He also uses far more of his abilities (such as the leaping) due to being more in-tune with his powers.

I love TIH's take, honestly. A man so packed with muscle that his skin stretches and bounds tightly against him his metabolism transforming every inch of his framework into lean powerful mass. Striations are cut into every part of him, and as you watch his movements you see them pulse and bend with every step and roar. It may not be the most realistic CG (only the Avengers Hulk looks "real" to me, most CG doesn't), but it's sure impressive. It's different, but it makes sense and accentuates his power to me all the more.

That said, I love the Avenger's Hulk with all of my being, it's perfect.