The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 8

[BigThor]

I think it's worth noting that one punch from Hulk made Thor bleed yet a full blown whack from Mjolnir only dazzed the Hulk momentarily. Also this whole Thor was trying the calm Hulk down, he wasn't into the fight thing is just baloney, yes he did at first but after that punch from Hulk Thor was fully into the fight.

Well if Thor didn't try to calm Banner down Hulk probably wouldn't have connected with the nose bleed punch, plus there was a moment where Thor was hanging on to Hulk without trying to choke him or bash him with Mjolnir.

It couldn't be more clear really and as for Hulk not bleeding when he was hit with Mjolnir, he was struck in the "chin/jaw" area while Thor punched directly in the nose.

Personally, I think Thor stopped trying to protect him once he got Mjolnir, he didnt hold anything back once he did that uppercut, he was trying to put Hulk down and couldnt. At first he was trying to protect but I personally dont think he was after that point.

And after the fight Thor looked more roughed up than Hulk did. Plus if one guy has a nose bleed but the other doesnt, surely that indicates some level of getting the better of the fight.

You keep bringing up this "nose bleed" as if it was this huge thing, clearly Thor was smiling as he wiped the VERY small amount of blood from his nose. It's also worth noting that Thor landed more blows than Hulk who really only managed to throw him around.

 

[The Sage]

Also, Thor was fighting Hulk without his armor. I wonder how different it would've been if he had it at the time.

 

[BigThor]

Also, Thor was fighting Hulk without his armor. I wonder how different it would've been if he had it at the time.

Hulk was also FULLY enraged which meant he was probably more powerful at that point that he was at any other point in the film.

The sheer fact that Thor didn't use any lightning attacks should show that he wasn't trying to "put Hulk down".

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think it's worth noting that one punch from Hulk made Thor bleed yet a full blown whack from Mjolnir only dazed the Hulk momentarily. Also this whole Thor was trying the calm Hulk down, he wasn't into the fight thing is just baloney, yes he did at first but after that punch from Hulk Thor was fully into the fight.

Definately.

 

[BigThor]

Thor not using lightning = "holding back" to some extent and that's not even debatable.

 

[Mjölnir]

Thor neither hit Hulk with any shot as hard as the final one in his previous battle in the film. He didn't use his other powers, that were on display in the final battle, either. Nor did he have his armor on.

He did show that he wasn't willing to hurt Hulk, despite that he had just prevented him from killing someone. I see no reason that it would change after he got punched because he smiled after he got hit hard.

All of that combined makes it extremely hard (read: impossible) for me to think that Thor went all out.

 

[BigThor]

Thor neither hit Hulk with any shot as hard as the final one in his previous battle in the film. He didn't use his other powers, that were on display in the final battle, either. Nor did he have his armor on.

He did show that he wasn't willing to hurt Hulk, despite that he had just prevented him from killing someone. I see no reason that it would change after he got punched because he smiled after he got hit hard.

All of that combined makes it extremely hard (read: impossible) for me to think that Thor went all out.

They're saying Thor went all out because he swung Mjolnir really hard, that's not really going all out when you have OTHER powers.

Lol that's just funny to me, clearly "going all out" would be what he did in Jotenhiem or even the final battle.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well if Thor didn't try to calm Banner down Hulk probably wouldn't have connected with the nose bleed punch, plus there was a moment where Thor was hanging on to Hulk without trying to choke him or bash him with Mjolnir.

It couldn't be more clear really and as for Hulk not bleeding when he was hit with Mjolnir, he was struck in the "chin/jaw" area while Thor punched directly in the nose.




You keep bringing up this "nose bleed" as if it was this huge thing, clearly Thor was smiling as he wiped the VERY small amount of blood from his nose. It's also worth noting that Thor landed more blows than Hulk who really only managed to throw him around.

I dont think the nose bleed is a huge thing, but it was damage, more than Thor did to Hulk even with Mjolnir, again Thor looked more roughed by the end as well, Hulk looked like he could keep going and going.

Add in the fact Thor needed two hands to stop Hulk's one at the start also, this was before Hulk became more enraged.

Hulk was also FULLY enraged which meant he was probably more powerful at that point that he was at any other point in the film.

The sheer fact that Thor didn't use any lightning attacks should show that he wasn't trying to "put Hulk down".

I thought Hulk looked much more powerful in the final battle. Also, I dont care what anyone says, Thor was trying to put Hulk down once he had Mjolnir, doubt he would have used a hit like that otherwise. Obviously Thor couldnt go 'all out' as people were around, but to say he wasnt trying to put down Hulk after that point just doesnt ring true to me.

 

[Mjölnir]

Thor went all out because he swung Mjolnir really hard, lol that's just funny "going all out" would be what he did in Jotenhiem or even the final battle.

Yes, we've seen him do so much more powerful things in the movies and it's not like holding back is uncharacteristic of the character in any way in the comics either.

 

[Nathan]

If Thor would have gone all out, the Helicarrier would have dropped out of the sky for sure.

 

[Mjölnir]

I thought Hulk looked much more powerful in the final battle. Also, I dont care what anyone says, Thor was trying to put Hulk down once he had Mjolnir, doubt he would have used a hit like that otherwise.

Hulk looked stronger but I don't see what he ever did that looked more powerful than destroying an entire wave of the Chitauri army with one single strike.

And isn't "I don't care what anyone says" a very poor attitude to have in a discussion?

 

[Kirmit]

No one is saying Thor went all out, we're saying he clearly was into the fight after the punch from Hulk. You really think either both Hulk or Thor went all out? If they had the Hellicarrier would've been torn apart.

 

[afan]

Hmmmm....I would say that Thor was at a disadvantage due to the location, and his limited knowledge of his foe. He was aware of the need to " de-fuse" the Hulk, while the Hulk had no such restriction, and his only personal interraction was with Banner, leading him perhaps to think Hulk can be reasoned with.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Thor would have gone all out, the Helicarrier would have dropped out of the sky for sure.

I dont mean he went "all out" with his power range, but I think he was trying to put the Hulk down once he had Mjolnir, in that regard, I think he went all out strength wise.

Hulk looked stronger but I don't see what he ever did that looked more powerful than destroying an entire wave of the Chitauri army with one single strike.

In the final battle Thor did more powerful things definately, but he has more powers than Hulk, that much is obvious. I still think Hulk stopping a Leviathan dead with one punch was the most impressive feat in the movie though personaly.

And isn't "I don't care what anyone says" a very poor attitude to have in a discussion?

Agreed, bad choice of words, should have used "in my eyes" instead.

 

[Mjölnir]

No one is saying Thor went all out, we're saying he clearly was into the fight after the punch from Hulk. You really think either both Hulk or Thor went all out? If they had the Hellicarrier would've been torn apart.

Hulk should logically have been very close to going all out because he really was enraged to the point where Banner had no control, which we learn later is quite a big deal. That Hulk was about to kill a defenseless woman says a lot too.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No one is saying Thor went all out, we're saying he clearly was into the fight after the punch from Hulk. You really think either both Hulk or Thor went all out? If they had the Hellicarrier would've been torn apart.

Exactly, he WAS trying to put Hulk down after that point, and wasnt very successful

Hmmmm....I would say that Thor was at a disadvantage due to the location, and his limited knowledge of his foe. He was aware of the need to " de-fuse" the Hulk, while the Hulk had no such restriction, and his only personal interraction was with Banner, leading him perhaps to think Hulk can be reasoned with.

I think due to the location he was restricted, but not strength wise. Also, you could argue Hulk also didnt know Thor and what he was capable of, that was a factor for both of them, not just Thor.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hulk should logically have been very close to going all out because he really was enraged to the point where Banner had no control, which we learn later is quite a big deal. That Hulk was about to kill a defenseless woman says a lot too.

Banner always has some sort of control no matter what, thats why Hulk in the comics never really kills people, doubt he would have killed Widow.

 

[Silvermoth]

Defenseless? The Widow? Never!

I loved the Hulk in this. What a clever person Ruffalo is. He said once that the problem with the Hulk is that in the past he's been a CGI creation and you can't carry across a primal emotion like rage in CGI as you would in a performance. I'm so glad the technology has come far enough so that Ruffalo could actually play the Hulk. I could really see him in the monster.

 

[BigThor]

I dont mean he went "all out" with his power range, but I think he was trying to put the Hulk down once he had Mjolnir, in that regard, I think he went all out strength wise.

Well that's not going all out if you're not using all of the abilities at your disposal no matter how you slice it, Thor isn't Hulk he knows there's a time and a place to go all out.

You just proved my point t:

In the final battle Thor did more powerful things definately, but he has more powers than Hulk, that much is obvious. I still think Hulk stopping a Leviathan dead with one punch was the most impressive feat in the movie though personaly.

It was definately the coolest, but it wasn't the most impressive since Thor's attack destroyed like 2 leviathans and a host of chitauri with one attack.

Hulk more than made up for that by having several other awesome moments though.

Exactly, he WAS trying to put Hulk down after that point, and wasnt very successful

Okay Hulk's stronger than Thor everyone knows that you're not proving anything, the point being no matter what the reason Thor didn't go all out no matter how hard he fought because he didn't use all of the powers at his disposal.

Thor was fighting pretty hard no doubt, but to say he was going all out or trying to put Hulk down when he wasn't even using lightning is just laughable.

 

[Mjölnir]

I dont mean he went "all out" with his power range, but I think he was trying to put the Hulk down once he had Mjolnir, in that regard, I think he went all out strength wise.

I would have expected some more collateral damage if he had done that, seeing what happened when he struck the hardest blow in the previous fight. He's not trying to calm him down anymore but seeing how he smiled when he noticed how strong Hulk is I still don't see him having really bad intentions.

In the final battle Thor did more powerful things definately, but he has more powers than Hulk, that much is obvious. I still think Hulk stopping a Leviathan dead with one punch was the most impressive feat in the movie though personaly.

I would personally not agree that it was the most impressive feat, but it was the strike that looked the best visually. Hulk didn't seem to have it as easy bringing a leviathan down when he couldn't use it's own momentum though.

Agreed, bad choice of words, should have used "in my eyes" instead.

No worries, just checking how it was meant (which is the important part). There certainly is room for interpretation so opinion will come into play. In the end I assume we'll agree to disagree.

 

[Kirmit]

Hulk should logically have been very close to going all out because he really was enraged to the point where Banner had no control, which we learn later is quite a big deal. That Hulk was about to kill a defenseless woman says a lot too.

I don't think Hulk was no where near going all out, sure he was angry and rampaging but I never felt he was stetched to his limits in that fight.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well that's not going all out if you're not using all of the abilities at your disposal no matter how you slice it, Thor isn't Hulk he knows there's a time and a place to go all out.

You just proved my point t:

Ha ha, well I never meant power wise he was going all out, I just think after that punch from Hulk and him summoning Mjolnir, he wasnt in a protecting mode anymore but more of a "I have to put this monster down" mode.

Before that I would agree he was holding back, afterwards definately not.

It was definately the coolest, but it wasn't the most impressive since Thor's attack destroyed like 2 leviathans and a host of chitauri with one attack.

Hulk more than made up for that by having several other awesome moments though.

Thor's power set was more useful in the battle though, also Thor's attack didnt stop the two Leviathans dead. Dont get me wrong, Thor was great in the movie, my 2nd favourite character, but nothing he did made my jaw drop like Hulk did a couple of times.

On a side note, how amazing must the movie be to allow us to have such discussions t:.

 

[Mjölnir]

Banner always has some sort of control no matter what, thats why Hulk in the comics never really kills people, doubt he would have killed Widow.

I definitely think he would have. He had no reason to act like he did if he wasn't trying to do that, and the reason he did was that he was under the influence of Loki and the stone.

I thought that the fact that Widow was about to get killed was the best non-direct displays of Loki's power.

 

[Mjölnir]

I don't think Hulk was no where near going all out, sure he was angry and rampaging but I never felt he was stetched to his limits in that fight.

Well, I don't think he had reached his ultimate limit but he seemed as angry as we've ever seen him in the movies and therefor doing everything he could at the moment.

 

[BigThor]

I don't think Hulk was no where near going all out, sure he was angry and rampaging but I never felt he was stetched to his limits in that fight.

Nah he was out of control meaning he was definately going all out there's no way around that.

Ha ha, well I never meant power wise he was going all out, I just think after that punch from Hulk and him summoning Mjolnir, he wasnt in a protecting mode anymore but more of a "I have to put this monster down" mode.

Before that I would agree he was holding back, afterwards definately not.

Yeah he was definately in "fight mode" once he summoned Mjolnir but no matter how hard he fought he was still holding back due to his lack of lightning usage.

Point. blank. period