The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 9

[Dark Raven]

Well your pic isn't showing, but Amanda Peet looks like a cross between Liv Tyler and Jennifer Connelly.

 

[Herolee10]

Well your pic isn't showing, but Amanda Peet looks like a cross between Liv Tyler and Jennifer Connelly.

Dang; oh well.lol

But interesting that you point that out, especially since I've read on how so many think of the character template for the Avengers Hulk to be a mixture between Ang's Hulk and Lou's Hulk.lol

 

[Pink Ranger]

The most well-adjusted of the Banners and he can't get anyone younger or his own age but has to settle for a cougar?

Lol, but really, there is no such thing as "settling for a cougar." Going off topic for a moment, if you're a young man and you get the honour and privilege of being in an intense physical relationship with a woman 8-12 years older than you, you drop down on your knees and thank Odin for bestowing this gift upon you.

Seriously, all you guys out there in your 20s, try to have a relationship with a woman 35-45 at least once before you turn 30.

 

[That person]

Forget about Betty, bring back Ty Burrell as Samson. Except with no powers, and make him act like Phil Dunphy with no explanation.

I'd be game for that.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think Ashley Judd is too "tough" for Betty Ross. I don't really see Betty as a hard ass woman type, which is the same type of roles I've seen Judd do recently.

 

[Golgo-13]

I think Ashley Judd is too "tough" for Betty Ross. I don't really see Betty as a hard ass woman type, which is the same type of roles I've seen Judd do recently.

I disagree. I've always seen Betty as the the stronger of the two (between her and Bruce). I think a good template for Betty is the Betty from the 1982 Hulk cartoon. She was strong. Strong enough to stand up to her father, and put him in his place. Strong enough to make Hulk listen to her, and strong enough to keep Bruce himself strong and motivated as he hunted for a cure. The Bettys we've gotten so far on film, seem to have more issues than Bruce himself.

Why does Stark get Paltrow and Ruffalo has to get someone his own age? You know the age difference between Downey and Paltrow?

Paltrow looks about RDJ age. She by no means looks like some young hot piece of tail. Even in her earlier movies, just her mannerism and demeanor. She always seemed to look and act alot older than she actually was i.e A Perfect Murder, with Michael Douglas - whom i'm guessing was twice her age in that film, but it wasn't an isse as they looked like a good match due to the way Paltrow carries herself. That's all i'm asking for if they re-cast Betty. Tyler does not match Ruffalos Banner

 

[Lantern Venom]

Yeah they pretty much nailed everything about the Hulk in this film. Personality and look. And especially that Ruffalo makes the best Banner.

He was great, but not perfect. His head/face could be improved and having him say more than 1-2 short lines per movie is essential next time.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Because it's Stark's personality; I'm sure we all know the difference between guys who go after women 20 years younger than them and guys who go out with women the same age. I think Stark's and Banner's respective personalities make it clear which is which.

I'm sure in Stark's mind he's "settling" by going out with someone as "old" as Pepper.

Well, you got me there. It won't ever happen again, but you did get me there.

Tommy just sold half-a-million brake pads!!!!

Sorry, had to be done, Terry. t:

 

[Golgo-13]

He was great, but not perfect. His head/face could be improved and having him say more than 1-2 short lines per movie is essential next time.

I would like them to stay away from the gorrila type poses in the future.

 

[Dark Raven]

I would like his hair to be a little longer and messier, more similar to Hulk's hair in TIH. In TA, it still looks much the same as Ruffalo's hairstyle. I prefer the unkempt look.

Also, I want to see more childlike mannerisms and curiosity from Hulk in the future. That's what people loved about Lou Ferrigno's Hulk, even though he couldn't speak. He had this curiosity when faced with new situations and when he came across children or animals. And yet, for all his childlikeness, he didn't seem like he was having a big baby tantrum like Ang Lee's Hulk was having.

Even having Hulk save a puppy in the midst of all the destruction, like that animated Spider-Man/Iron Man/ Hulk clip would've been cool to see in the Avengers. I think he needs to do both saving and destroying.

 

[Roose Bolton]

You know I think one of the saddest scenes in Hulk comic history is from the mini series "Hulk-Gray" where Hulk, newly just "born" comes across a rabbit and accidentally kills it while trying to pet it, Hulk's reaction was a perfect mixture of guilt,sadness and anger.

 

[Dark Raven]

You know I think one of the saddest scenes in Hulk comic history is from the mini series "Hulk-Gray" where Hulk, newly just "born" comes across a rabbit and accidentally kills it while trying to pet it, Hulk's reaction was a perfect mixture of guilt,sadness and anger.

I haven't read that. I didn't even know it existed.

 

[terry78]

They couldn't pull that in a movie though. Hulk killing anything that's not a complete monster villain would negate his misunderstood angle.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's fairly old, its one of Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's early collaborations together and an extremely well poignant little story. I'd rate it fairly highly as far as Hulk graphic novels go.

 

[Roose Bolton]

They couldn't pull that in a movie though. Hulk killing anything that's not a complete monster villain would negate his misunderstood angle.

Not really, in said comic he didn't know his own strength and didn't quite understand at first and when he did it was heartbreaking, and besides MCU Hulk has killed innocents before. If a dangerous creature like King Kong can be a sympathetic character then so can Hulk.

 

[Fifthchild]

You all know that Ruffalo is less than 2 years older than Norton?

And Madeleine Stowe is 9 years older than Ruffalo?

Not sure why there is this sudden need to go for a much older woman here. Liv Tyler or anyone else North of 30 would be fine and isnt going to look especially creepy.

 

[metaphysician]

Not really, in said comic he didn't know his own strength and didn't quite understand at first and when he did it was heartbreaking, and besides MCU Hulk has killed innocents before. If a dangerous creature like King Kong can be a sympathetic character then so can Hulk.

That said, it doesn't really have a place in the current timeline. That kind of scene is the act of a newly "born" Hulk, not one who has been around for some years.

 

[Golgo-13]

Even having Hulk save a puppy in the midst of all the destruction, like that animated Spider-Man/Iron Man/ Hulk clip would've been cool to see in the Avengers. I think he needs to do both saving and destroying.

I would have liked to have seen something like that too.

 

[Dark Raven]

That said, it doesn't really have a place in the current timeline. That kind of scene is the act of a newly "born" Hulk, not one who has been around for some years.

It could've worked in Ang Lee's Hulk, since that would seem to have been the best place to put a scene like that of all places and seems like it would actually belong there. Plus, since that film franchise has been discontinued, it wouldn't have mattered anyway what the public thought.

And Madeleine Stowe should play Madame Masque instead of Betty Ross. It's not like Ruffalo is the least "ladies man" of the the three cinematic Banners and therefore would look creepy next to a younger woman. If someone like Jennifer Garner can look appropriate next to him, then so too could Liv Tyler, who is 34.

 

[HULKFish]

I would like them to stay away from the gorrila type poses in the future.

Yeah! That was the worst part...

A couple scenes the HULK's size didn't seem consistent either. I realize the angle of the camera, but when they stood in front of Loki at the end, HULK looked too small. The rest was awesome though.

I'd love to see a Pantheon Saga HULK movie somewhere down the road too! No Banner, all HULK! He was smart, even a smart-butt, funny, and very powerful. Peter David had some good stories, and not to mention the best art ever by Dale Keown...

 

[Smashlilman]

They couldn't pull that in a movie though. Hulk killing anything that's not a complete monster villain would negate his misunderstood angle.

I wouldn't say that. Hulk should fight to maim the enemy. When it come to the Hulk killing the killing would have to be justified in order to preserve the misunderstood monster angle. The enemy must be prepped for killing. You have to put it in the mind of the audience that said enemy is horrible and needs to die. The enemy would have to engage in abhorrent activity in order to achieve this objective. So that when the killing does occur it comes off as Justified.

As long as it doesn't come off as out right Murder the Hulk killing humans and humanoids with human personalities shouldn't be a problem. Like I said above the Hulk should fight to maim and only killed when justifiably pushed to do so. Its all about keeping the audience on the Hulks side and making sure that they identify with Banner/Hulk by the time the situations occurs.

 

[Golgo-13]

If it wasn' for Betty, Hulk would have killed Abomination is TIH. He was obviously trying to kill Black Widow and the pilot in Avengers. He killed several of the Special Ops team in the bottling plant scene also (look at the deleted scenes in TIH. Their covered bodies are aboard the plane with Blonsky)...so i don't think killing, when attacked, it outside of Hulks nature.

 

[Dark Raven]

I preferred it how it was in TIH TV series. Banner was always afraid that the Hulk might seriously injure or kill someone. However, that never happened, because as it was explained in the pilot, the Hulk won't kill because David Banner won't kill. Equally, that's why the evil Hulk in "The First" would kill, because Del Frye would.

Banner always showed remorse if he thought the Hulk had killed someone and tried to pay for any damage. I don't really like that he's ready to kill in the movies, especially people like Black Widow or the pilot.

 

[Fifthchild]

Its funny the way how Marvel seem to veer from one extreme to the other over this issue. Hulk 2003 went to slightly ridiculous lengths to add military comms with people saying "I'm OK!" after Hulk went ape**** on their tank or jet. While OTOH we have TIH Hulk punting Blonsky into that tree.

Same thing in the comics. Every now and then it becomes quite important to one writer or another. Dan Slott made it clear that nobody had ever been killed in a Hulk rampage. Greg Pak introduced the "Gamma Math" explanation that the genius of Banner was subconciously "running the numbers" to calculate the exact after effects of Hulks blows so that nobody was seriously hurt when he went beserk. Still there are apparently old comics where the Savage Hulk coldly destroys a submarine full of communists under the sea. And then of course theres the Ultimate Hulk killing and eating hundreds of people in New York.

 

[Raiden]

Brazilian left green after Hulk paint fails to wash off

Wow, sucks to be him.