The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - - Part 12

[Smilodon]

I know SM3 gets **** on by a lot of people and is regarded as some horrendous film. Years and years later now, I still enjoy it. It's my least favorite of the trilogy and yes it has some problems and things I don't particularly enjoy. But overall I can still watch it and get some enjoyment from it.

I've always dug Peter's first fight with Harry, his rescue of Gwen and first encounter with Sandman. Raimi on a bad day could still create awesome action scenes.

 

[Broseph44]

I've always dug Peter's first fight with Harry, his rescue of Gwen and first encounter with Sandman. Raimi on a bad day could still create awesome action scenes.

Definitely man.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

So whenever you guys re-visit Spider-Man 2, do you watch the theatrical or 2.1 cut?

I stick to the theatrical. While enjoyable, the 2.1 doesn't add anything significant for me.

 

[Broseph44]

I watch 2.1, but it has been a while so the next time I might throw on the Theatrical.

 

[DX]

Theatrical for me. Aside from one or two scenes the 2.1 doesn't really add a whole lot.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I watch 2.1, but it has been a while so the next time I might throw on the Theatrical.

Same, I just love the extra bits of the fight scenes in 2.1 and would feel weird seeing the movie without them.

But maybe next time I will re-visit the theatrical version.

 

[Vampfox]

I've always dug Peter's first fight with Harry, his rescue of Gwen and first encounter with Sandman. Raimi on a bad day could still create awesome action scenes.

Personally I thought that the second fight with Harry in the mansion was better.

 

[The Joker]

I agree. Love that mansion fight. One of the top ones in this trilogy.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Same here, while not as good as the fights in 2, I thought all of the action scenes in3 were great.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

From what I understand, SM 2.1 is not a necessary version, so I happily stick to the theatrical release.
And I find some level of agreement to preferring the mansion fight to the aerial fight, letting the spinning glider hit Harry pushing him toward his bombs, followed by Harry's defeat pose and the exchange between the frienemies is glorious.

 

[AnneFan]

I agree with all of this. The more I think about it after having seen Homcoming a while back, the further it falls in my rankings.

Indeed. I just think the movie feels unremarkable.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Indeed. I just think the movie feels unremarkable.

Same here. It was good and I enjoyed it, but compared to some other movies this year, and the Raimi movies, it was quite lacking.

 

[Broseph44]

Indeed. I just think the movie feels unremarkable.

Same here. It was good and I enjoyed it, but compared to some other movies this year, and the Raimi movies, it was quite lacking.

Yeah pretty much this, I saw some people immediately ranking it as the best Spider-Man film overall. I don't see that at all myself personally, it's very far from that.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yeah pretty much this, I saw some people immediately ranking it as the best Spider-Man film overall. I don't see that at all myself personally, it's very far from that.

A desperate combination of needing anything better than those Amazing movies and refusing to acknowledge a MARVEL product as something less than stellar.

Without Keaton and Holland, it doesn't amount to much at all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah pretty much this, I saw some people immediately ranking it as the best Spider-Man film overall. I don't see that at all myself personally, it's very far from that.

Same, I thought there were a good few things lacking. And there was quite a bit I didn't like, but of course plenty I did. It's not close to the best of the year or the Spider-Man movies to me though.

A desperate combination of needing anything better than those Amazing movies and refusing to acknowledge a MARVEL product as something less than stellar.

Without Keaton and Holland, it doesn't amount to much at all.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

One of the things I'll always appreciate about the Raimi/Maguire trilogy is that Peter Parker/Spider-Man is not trying to release himself out of anyone's shadow; not the billionaire inventor, not his girlfriend or her father, none.

 

[henzINNIT]

I always watch 2.1. I like all the additions..

... barring that terrible alternate elevator sequence. I wish there was a version where that wasn't added.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

One of the things I'll always appreciate about the Raimi/Maguire trilogy is that Peter Parker/Spider-Man is not trying to release himself out of anyone's shadow; not the billionaire inventor, not his girlfriend or her father, none.

Yep, he is just a good person who got powers and is trying to do the right thing.

 

[Broseph44]

A desperate combination of needing anything better than those Amazing movies and refusing to acknowledge a MARVEL product as something less than stellar.

Without Keaton and Holland, it doesn't amount to much at all.

Perfectly said, agreed on all points.

Same, I thought there were a good few things lacking. And there was quite a bit I didn't like, but of course plenty I did. It's not close to the best of the year or the Spider-Man movies to me though.

Yeah same nowhere near best Spidey film or best film of the year for me in the slightest.

 

[The Joker]

A desperate combination of needing anything better than those Amazing movies and refusing to acknowledge a MARVEL product as something less than stellar.

Or...*GASP*....people genuinely think it's the best one.

Imagine that novel concept.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Or...*GASP*....people genuinely think it's the best one.

Imagine that novel concept.

*GASP*

Imagine this...

When you get off people's d***s about BvS and Suicide Squad, I'll take that comment more seriously.

 

[The Joker]

*GASP*

Imagine this...

When you get off people's d***s about BvS and Suicide Squad, I'll take that comment more seriously.

*GASP*

You mean two of the most unpopular CBMs in recent years that have garnered razzies, bile not just from fans but also comic book writers, and even actors involved in them? Imagine someone hating on those.

Another novel concept.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

*GASP*

You mean two of the most unpopular CBMs in recent years that have garnered razzies, bile not just from fans but also comic book writers, and even actors involved in them? Imagine someone hating on those.

Another novel concept.

So that's you're rationale for criticising those that do happen to like or defend those movies?

So the next time someone (or a group) of people declare ''Affleck is better than Bale'', The Dark Knight Rises is terrible because of A,B and C and that TDK itself is highly overrated... I hope you refrain from denouncing them as they most likely genuinely believe that.

For the record, I have no love for either BvS or SS. However, you might want to avoid preaching when you often like to throw around certain comments that provoke more than enlighten.

 

[The Joker]

So that's you're rationale for criticising those that do happen to like or defend those movies?

So the next time someone (or a group) of people declare ''Affleck is better than Bale'', The Dark Knight Rises is terrible because of A,B and C and that TDK itself is highly overrated... I hope you refrain from denouncing them as they most likely genuinely believe that.

For the record, I have no love for either BvS or SS. However, you might want to avoid preaching when you often like to throw around certain comments that provoke more than enlighten.

I don't criticize those who defend those movies. If they like those movies, more power to them. I criticize their reasoning/arguments for defending the big flaws of them, like the awful Martha scene, or chalking homicidal Batman up to having PTSD, or the creative choices made with Letoker etc. Not them personally.

If someone declares Affleck is the best Batman or TDK is overrated or anything else I disagree with, I'll debate them on their reasons for that, not just instantly write them off as being desperate to love a certain version of Batman or unable to think of a franchise as anything other than stellar. I mean have any of you guys even asked these fans their reasons why they love Homecoming best?

I don't want to fall out with you over something so trivial, Pfeiffer-Pfan. I've always liked you. Fellow Irish fan and all, too. But I have to say I am genuinely surprised to see you write off so many people's opinions about a beloved CBM as desperation or stubborn refusal to see it as anything other than brilliant. You're usually much more fair and open minded than that.

Can anyone even honestly say that about the MCU fan base either? Could you find any kind of consensus that would say Thor 2 is stellar? Or Iron Man 2 and 3? MCU fans can get over zealous in defending the franchise (what fan base doesn't?), but even they don't hold those movies up to a high regard. So I don't think it can be said that the MCU is seen by it's fans as an unblemished track record of top notch CBMs.

If you guys don't share the high praise Homecoming got, then fair enough. I don't rate it as the best either. Spider-Man 2 is still the king in my book. But I'm not writing all those fans off who rate it as the best, some of whom I am friends with here on this forum, as just loving it best because of desperation and stubborness. That's like someone saying we still rate Raimi's as best because we're too entrenched in nostalgia, and therefore too stubborn to accept anything new as better.