The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 3

[Spider-ManHero12]

That dagger/spear type of thing the Goblin used in the movie was pretty damn badass. I love how they added that in.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I actually mentioned Norman trying to impale him on the Goblin Glider's blades (which don't make a whole lot of sense for a combat vehicle, since it more than likely entail kamikaze tactics with an unprotected pilot in combat use).

Probably a modification he added specifically for Spidey.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Probably a modification he added specifically for Spidey.

I second this.

 

[Godzilla2014]

That dagger/spear type of thing the Goblin used in the movie was pretty damn badass. I love how they added that in.

The Trident? Yeah, it was. I remember he taunts Peter implying he's going to rape MJ after he kills him, then attempts to stab Peter with it, and then Peter gets pissed, then completely turns the tables on him, kicking the **** out of Norman until he begs for his life. Awesome. I'd say that the place where Willem Dafoe hits just the right note with his Green Goblin performance.

 

[socool]

The Trident? Yeah, it was. I remember he taunts Peter implying he's going to rape MJ after he kills him, then attempts to stab Peter with it, and then Peter gets pissed, then completely turns the tables on him, kicking the **** out of Norman until he begs for his life. Awesome. I'd say that the place where Willem Dafoe hits just the right note with his Green Goblin performance.

Yeah, Dafoe's Goblin was very (I know this word is thrown around too much) cheesy. His Norman was great, though. Loved his Norman, but his Goblin could have been a bit more threatening. If he was written much like he was in that final battle, he would have been perfect.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Classic supervillain mistake; making a grandstand speech when they've got the hero on the ropes, then saying the wrong thing-the very thing that will renew the hero's resolve.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Probably a modification he added specifically for Spidey.

But still, wouldn't using it require him into Spider-Man at extremely high velocities, that risk injury for him as he flew the Goblin Glider into the target? Wouldn't the knockout gas and a gun be more efficient?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Yeah, Dafoe's Goblin was very (I know this word is thrown around too much) cheesy. His Norman was great, though. Loved his Norman, but his Goblin could have been a bit more threatening. If he was written much like he was in that final battle, he would have been perfect.

Agreed.

Classic supervillain mistake; making a grandstand speech when they've got the hero on the ropes, then saying the wrong thing-the very thing that will renew the hero's resolve.

Indeed. Imagine the trouble Green Goblin would have saved himself if he just impaled Spider-Man first, and then told him he was going to rape the woman he loved as he bled to death?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Every villain can't be Ozymandias.

 

[socool]

Classic supervillain mistake; making a grandstand speech when they've got the hero on the ropes, then saying the wrong thing-the very thing that will renew the hero's resolve.

Haha. Reminds me of an old western (forgot the name) where the villain catches the bad guy in the tub and starts saying how he's gonna kill him real slow, but before he finishes, the guy in the tub shoots him twice with the pistol he had hidden on him and says "If your gonna shoot: shoot. Don't talk."

But it's a fad that is slowly starting to fade, which is nice.

 

[socool]

Every villain can't be Ozymandias.

And why the hell not?!

 

[Chris Wallace]

But still, wouldn't using it require him into Spider-Man at extremely high velocities, that risk injury for him as he flew the Goblin Glider into the target? Wouldn't the knockout gas and a gun be more efficient?

If his attempt on the bridge had worked, there would have been no danger to himself. And the glider worked on a remote, so he could have dismounted before attacking in just about any other case (unless of course, he was right in its path).

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

The Trident? Yeah, it was. I remember he taunts Peter implying he's going to rape MJ after he kills him, then attempts to stab Peter with it, and then Peter gets pissed, then completely turns the tables on him, kicking the **** out of Norman until he begs for his life. Awesome. I'd say that the place where Willem Dafoe hits just the right note with his Green Goblin performance.

That's one of the reasons I thought the Goblin was amazing in the movie. He was always a challenge to Spidey whether it's with strength or with words and taunts. Reminds me of the Goblni from the comics as well. All mouth as well as skill. It sure as hell left an impact on Peter for YEARS to come in the comics.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Haha. Reminds me of an old western (forgot the name) where the villain catches the bad guy in the tub and starts saying how he's gonna kill him real slow, but before he finishes, the guy in the tub shoots him twice with the pistol he had hidden on him and says "If your gonna shoot: shoot. Don't talk."

The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

 

[Chris Wallace]

And why the hell not?!

Because the general rule is, "Good guys always win". The bad guys typically start off having every advantage, so in order for final victory to elude them, they have to make a mistake. We'd get a lot fewer sequels otherwise.

 

[socool]

The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

Yep, that was it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Because the general rule is, "Good guys always win". The bad guys typically start off having every advantage, so in order for final victory to elude them, they have to make a mistake. We'd get a lot fewer sequels otherwise.

This is very true. And it's happened with lots of comic books in the past.

 

[Chris Wallace]

The conflict isn't even worthwhile unless the villain starts off holding all the cards-or at least an impressive hand.

 

[The Joker]

Anybody seen this? I lol'd pretty hard.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Every villain can't be Ozymandias.

You don't have to be Ozymandias to be smart.

If his attempt on the bridge had worked, there would have been no danger to himself. And the glider worked on a remote, so he could have dismounted before attacking in just about any other case (unless of course, he was right in its path).

Still, the whole thing would require Norman to spend an undetermined amount of hours to fit the blades, control systems et cetera, on a Goblin Glider that already has forward-mounted machine guns and missiles. Why not use these preinstalled weapons to kill Spider-Man instead of making the blades and the systems that they entail?

Haha. Reminds me of an old western (forgot the name) where the villain catches the bad guy in the tub and starts saying how he's gonna kill him real slow, but before he finishes, the guy in the tub shoots him twice with the pistol he had hidden on him and says "If your gonna shoot: shoot. Don't talk."

But it's a fad that is slowly starting to fade, which is nice.

The western in question would be The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly, uttered by Tucco.

And thank God it is starting to fade. The only point in those monologues is to possibly get the hero to kill themselves so they don't have to listen to it anymore.

And why the hell not?!

Agreed.

That's one of the reasons I thought the Goblin was amazing in the movie. He was always a challenge to Spidey whether it's with strength or with words and taunts. Reminds me of the Goblni from the comics as well. All mouth as well as skill. It sure as hell left an impact on Peter for YEARS to come in the comics.

Agreed.

 

[socool]

Because the general rule is, "Good guys always win". The bad guys typically start off having every advantage, so in order for final victory to elude them, they have to make a mistake. We'd get a lot fewer sequels otherwise.

I kinda meant "Why can't they all be so sneaky, cunning, well-written, and enjoyable?!", but yeah, the good guy should always win.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Because the general rule is, "Good guys always win". The bad guys typically start off having every advantage, so in order for final victory to elude them, they have to make a mistake. We'd get a lot fewer sequels otherwise.

This is true, but there are a variety of mistakes that could be made, in lieu of "the speech".

The conflict isn't even worthwhile unless the villain starts off holding all the cards-or at least an impressive hand.

I generally agree.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

The conflict isn't even worthwhile unless the villain starts off holding all the cards-or at least an impressive hand.

And a perfect example (IMO) of this is in such issues as ASM issue 40. The Goblin takes off his mask and shows Peter he's really Norman Osborn. Then he goes on about Harry, tc. It gives Spdiey time to break out.

 

[Anno_Domini]

But those who didn't seem to be more vocal, & it's now treated like it was a bigger flop than Last Action Hero.

I will not speak for the bandwagon fanboys that hate on Raimi's films now because a new series is being made, but I hated the film as soon as I left the theatres. I mean, for just speaking on myself, I think it's totally fine to make my voice heard on how much I hated Spider-Man 3, but I also want to make my voice heard on how much I loved Spider-Man 1 and 2 as well.

That kind of thing isn't that uncommon. Remember the D-Day Invasion Beach scene from Saving Private Ryan? Remember the casualties with limbs blown off in the background? Those were real amputees.

I did not know that! Haha, I wanna watching Saving Private Ryan now.

They called on Baxter Humby to facilitate achieving the effect of the punch penetrating through Sandman, with a hand on the other side of Thomas Hayden Church's body added in with CGI.

Well you can definitely tell now that it's CGI just by looking at that picture.

That's mostly because of how badly it disappointed compared to all the hype. Jesus, you would have thought the Rapture was coming with how hyped up it was.

This is another reason why a lot of people don't enjoy the movie and that's just because of the hype S-M 3 received, but I guess it can be looked at how such a film shouldn't be hyped up as much either. I mean, the same thing happened with Green Lantern and look how poor that film was.

Good thing, though, that TDKR isn't receiving that much hype at the moment

Every villain can't be Ozymandias.

I ****ing love Watchmen.

 

[Chris Wallace]

You don't have to be Ozymandias to be smart.

I simply meant they're not all going to do it first and talk about it later.

Still, the whole thing would require Norman to spend an undetermined amount of hours to fit the blades, control systems et cetera, on a Goblin Glider that already has forward-mounted machine guns and missiles. Why not use these preinstalled weapons to kill Spider-Man instead of making the blades and the systems that they entail?

It seems pretty clear to me that impalement was his preferred method of execution. Otherwise he could've just stayed on the glider and bombed Spidey to Kingdom Come. This was the way he wanted to do it, ultimately bringing him more satisfaction than the bombs and bullets.