The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 3

[Anno_Domini]

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[Godzilla2014]

Kraven and Chameleon would have been so awesome to see in a movie. Unfortunately I feel like no studio would ever allow more "minor" villains to be the headliners. Which is a shame, as they would have worked spectacularly in Rammi's universe.

They might be interesting, though I think that a great villain combination would be Chameleon and Mysterio. They can support a theme of illusion and deception.

Agreed. The studio felt VUtlrue wouldn't have worked, which is just EXTREMELY stupid, if you ask me. The Vulture is a very dangerous foe and I think he would have worked greatly in S-M4.

Vulture never excited me, personally. I would much rather see Hobgoblin than Vulture.

 

[Miss Croft]

Someone remember this one? "Spider-Man 3 How It Should Have Ended" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoNgMVFQNBI
I just watched it again after many years and though I do like S-M3 I think it's very funny.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Someone remember this one? "Spider-Man 3 How It Should Have Ended" [YT]HoNgMVFQNBI[/YT]
I just watched it again after many years and though I do like S-M3 I think it's very funny.

That is hilarious!

 

[Miss Croft]

That is hilarious!

t: It's so mean how they caricature Aunt May "Oh that reminds me of a long boring story about your uncle that will only make you feel guilty and make the wrong decisions in life" or weeping Pete...I always die of laugh.
Or the sandman scence t: or etc. etc.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Someone remember this one? "Spider-Man 3 How It Should Have Ended" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoNgMVFQNBI
I just watched it again after many years and though I do like S-M3 I think it's very funny.

It just shows you how awful Spider-Man 3 is...How It Should Have Ended's videos are 1-3 minute shorts, but they had to make a 6+ minute short to showcase ALL, or mostly all, of the film's awful, awful mistakes. I always wondered, even with the brilliant scene of the birth of Sandman(one of only two worthwhile scenes in the whole damn movie), did Raimi even realize how ridiculous the creation of Sandman even was? The whole "must be a bird" line was just horrendous and stupid.

That song was pretty catchy though t:

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Vulture never excited me, personally. I would much rather see Hobgoblin than Vulture.

I felt the Goblin story was told perfectly by #3. I mean, I think Hobogoblin would have pushed the Goblin story a bit too far. I wonder what type of tone Vulture would have given S-M4? Makes me even more sad that it didn't happen.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Links?

It's been 2 years. Do you think I remember the websites, lol?

 

[Godzilla2014]

t: It's so mean how they caricature Aunt May "Oh that reminds me of a long boring story about your uncle that will only make you feel guilty and make the wrong decisions in life" or weeping Pete...I always die of laugh.
Or the sandman scence t: or etc. etc.

I wholeheartedly agree!

It just shows you how awful Spider-Man 3 is...How It Should Have Ended's videos are 1-3 minute shorts, but they had to make a 6+ minute short to showcase ALL, or mostly all, of the film's awful, awful mistakes. I always wondered, even with the brilliant scene of the birth of Sandman(one of only two worthwhile scenes in the whole damn movie), did Raimi even realize how ridiculous the creation of Sandman even was? The whole "must be a bird" line was just horrendous and stupid.

That song was pretty catchy though t:

I agree except I don't think that Spider-Man 3 was as bad you do. I'd say that the brilliant scene of the birth of Sandman was one of only two worthwhile Sandman scenes in the whole damn movie.
Otherwise, I completely agree with you.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I felt the Goblin story was told perfectly by #3. I mean, I think Hobogoblin would have pushed the Goblin story a bit too far. I wonder what type of tone Vulture would have given S-M4? Makes me even more sad that it didn't happen.

Hobgoblin is quite different from the Green Goblin, and well, I like Hobgoblin a lot more than Vulture. Plus, I think he has more interesting things to do. If it weren't for the fact he shares the Goblin motif with Green Goblin, Spider-Man's archenemy, he might be a perfect villain for a Spider-Man movie. Unfortunately, because of that, he will probably never make it to big screen.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[Anno_Domini]

It's been 2 years. Do you think I remember the websites, lol?

Well, I thought you had the links in mind, lol.

I actually looked it up though, and the only links I found were articles before Malkovich and Hathaway were mentioned to participate in the film and Black Cat was mentioned yes, but as we knew as a "daughter of the new Daily Bugle owner".

November 10, 2009 - http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/rumor-black-cat-as-spider-man-4-villain-a-new-female-lead/

November 11, 2009 - http://io9.com/5401892/black-cats-spider+man-4-story-revealed

And for the second link, do you know what the story is revealed as? Lol:

Apparently she is the daughter of the new editor of The Daily Bugle, a man who is also referred to as ‘a viper' (more on this in a second). She falls in love with Peter Parker, and uncovers his true identity. Her father then dies, and Hardy becomes a threat to Peter Parker (presumably as The Black Cat).

'A Viper'? What the hell? Hahaha. IF Black Cat was thought of as a villain before the Vulturess, then does that mean Vulture was meant to be a viper-clad villain instead? It doesn't make sense AT ALL, lol. Even moreso now.

But a month later, Vulture and Vulturess were obviously announced:

December 8, 2009 - http://www.movieline.com/2009/12/exclusive-spider-man-4-circling-john-malkovich-anne-hathaway.php

If negotiations proceed according to plan, Malkovich will be playing Spider-Man’s nemesis the Vulture, who packs a punch despite his advanced age. The Vulture is able to fly through the air and brandish his sharp wings to attack Spider-Man.

As for Hathaway, that’s where things get tricky.

The 27-year-old actress is currently the top choice for Felicia Hardy, who’d been long-rumored as one of the new characters in this installment. (Other names bandied about for the role included Julia Stiles, Rachel McAdams, and Romola Garai.) However, unlike in the comic books, this Felicia Hardy doesn’t transform into the Black Cat. Instead, Raimi’s Felicia will become a brand-new superpowered figure called the Vulturess.

I agree except I don't think that Spider-Man 3 was as bad you do. I'd say that the brilliant scene of the birth of Sandman was one of only two worthwhile Sandman scenes in the whole damn movie.
Otherwise, I completely agree with you.

Honestly, besides the birth of Sandman and the birth of Venom, I can't stand the rest of the film. There are a lot of CBMs that I watch and it makes me want to punch out the director, the writer and the studio that was involved, and Spider-Man 3 is one of those films. It's just a sloppy movie to display two of Spidey's greatest villains.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Honestly, besides the birth of Sandman and the birth of Venom, I can't stand the rest of the film. There are a lot of CBMs that I watch and it makes me want to punch out the director, the writer and the studio that was involved, and Spider-Man 3 is one of those films. It's just a sloppy movie to display two of Spidey's greatest villains.

For me, Spider-Man 3 isn't really horrible, just not at the level of its predecessors, Spider-Man & Spider-Man 2. It generally doesn't suffer from the same problems that a lot of other third entries in superhero series usually do, and it's one of the better ones. Was it a letdown? Yes. Is it without redeeming qualities? Hell no. After I first saw it, I felt really disappointed, but after the disappointment wore off, I realized it's not a terrible movie.

 

[Anno_Domini]

That is where my opinions are hated in threads such as this because I hate Spider-Man 3 and that grows down the road as much as a fan's appreciation of S-M 3 grows down the road.

It was a pure disappointment, imo, and it wasn't all because of Sony and Avi Arad. Sam Raimi has much of the blame on his shoulders as well and not enough fans can understand that and defend it, lol.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Agreed. The studio felt VUtlrue wouldn't have worked, which is just EXTREMELY stupid, if you ask me. The Vulture is a very dangerous foe and I think he would have worked greatly in S-M4.

They didn't ask, that is there mistake

 

[Godzilla2014]

That is where my opinions are hated in threads such as this because I hate Spider-Man 3 and that grows down the road as much as a fan's appreciation of S-M 3 grows down the road.

I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, I'm just saying I don't share it.

It was a pure disappointment, imo, and it wasn't all because of Sony and Avi Arad. Sam Raimi has much of the blame on his shoulders as well and not enough fans can understand that and defend it, lol.

I agree that Sam Raimi does have just as much blame in the success or faliure of Spider-Man 3 as he did with Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Which is very ironic. Fanboys praise Raimi for the accolades of Spider-Man 1 and 2, but defend every time when someone says it's Raimi's fault Spider-Man 3 was awful. Besides the pull Sony and Arad had, Raimi had more to do with the third installment than the previous films because he was a factor in writing the third film, something he didn't do with the first two films.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Which is very ironic. Fanboys praise Raimi for the accolades of Spider-Man 1 and 2, but defend every time when someone says it's Raimi's fault Spider-Man 3 was awful. Besides the pull Sony and Arad had, Raimi had more to do with the third installment than the previous films because he was a factor in writing the third film, something he didn't do with the first two films.

I never denied that he deserved at least some blame for what happened to Spider-Man 3, but I didn't know that he was a factor in writing Spider-Man 3. That might help to explain why Sandman was kept in a movie that already had Harry Osborn and Venom as the villains, while the multiple villains in the early scripts for the previous films were eliminated until only one remained.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Sam Raimi and his brother played a major role with the script, and Sargent had something to with it as well, but I'm not quite sure if he wrote the final draft.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Sam Raimi and his brother played a major role with the script, and Sargent had something to with it as well, but I'm not quite sure if he wrote the final draft.

Sam Raimi and Ivan Raimi wrote a treatment for the film, including the retcon with Sandman. From my knowledge, Alvin Sargent considered the script so complex after all the additions he considered splitting it into two films, but abandoned that idea after he could not create a successful intermediate climax. I wonder if he could have solved that problem and split SM3 into two films, if that would make for a much better result.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Sam Raimi and his brother played a major role with the script, and Sargent had something to with it as well, but I'm not quite sure if he wrote the final draft.

Ted or the other one?

 

[Miss Croft]

Someone remember this one? "Spider-Man 3 How It Should Have Ended" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoNgMVFQNBI
I just watched it again after many years and though I do like S-M3 I think it's very funny.

I wholeheartedly agree!

It just shows you how awful Spider-Man 3 is...How It Should Have Ended's videos are 1-3 minute shorts, but they had to make a 6+ minute short to showcase ALL, or mostly all, of the film's awful, awful mistakes. I always wondered, even with the brilliant scene of the birth of Sandman(one of only two worthwhile scenes in the whole damn movie), did Raimi even realize how ridiculous the creation of Sandman even was? The whole "must be a bird" line was just horrendous and stupid.

That song was pretty catchy though t:

One of two worthwhile scences?!t: It's your opinion...
I appreciate much more scences, otherwise I wouldn't like the movie.

Hm, the bird line...I think it's a real life line, such things could possible happen at night. Human error......

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[The Joker]

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Couldn't agree more

 

[Spider-Aziz]

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Can you try to keep some text next time? I'd love to read what you post