The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 9

[Picard Sisko]

How can giving Peter and Eddie an actual connection, and Eddie a valid reason to hate Peter make Venom worse?

Are you saying that Venom was better in SM3 than in the comics? There were a few nice added elements, but that doesn't make up for how Raimi butchered the character and the symbiote story as a whole.

 

[The Joker]

Are you saying that Venom was better in SM3 than in the comics?

Most definitely. I could buy why this Venom hated Peter and wanted him dead.

There were a few nice added elements, but that doesn't make up for how Raimi butchered the character and the symbiote story as a whole.

I'm not talking about the symbiote storyline. All the dancing and stuff was terrible. I'm talking about Eddie Brock and his motivation as Venom.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Venom became more interesting as a character over time. Even the best villains (Green Goblin, Doc Ock) were pretty darn generic upon their first appearances.

Venom's motivation was there in SM3, but he never referred to himself as "we" or "us" when talking, his voice was really off, and he was just… blah. He, like Sandman, was just another villain for Spider-Man to fight, that's it. The best incarnation of Venom IMO is from the 90s animated series.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'll agree with that, Venom in the 90's TAS was awesome, really hope we get that version of him in a movie someday.

What Raimi did was okay, but he should have had more screen-time. Raimi did his best considering the character was forced on him at a very late stage.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Venom became more interesting as a character over time. Even the best villains (Green Goblin, Doc Ock) were pretty darn generic upon their first appearances.

Venom's motivation was there in SM3, but he never referred to himself as "we" or "us" when talking, his voice was really off, and he was just… blah. He, like Sandman, was just another villain for Spider-Man to fight, that's it. The best incarnation of Venom IMO is from the 90s animated series.

lol so voice intonation and not using incorrect grammar counts against a character

lol

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lol so hard

 

[Spooderman]

He, like Sandman, was just another villain for Spider-Man to fight, that's it. The best incarnation of Venom IMO is from the 90s animated series.

I like Spectacular's Venom the best, he had a deeper connection to Peter.

What Raimi did was okay, but he should have had more screen-time. Raimi did his best considering the character was forced on him at a very late stage.

True, but we don't judge a movie on how it could have been written better or what would have happened if it was given more time to produce, we judge it on what it is.

lol so voice intonation and not using incorrect grammar counts against a character

It's not incorrect, "we" refers to both Eddie and the Symbiote. Eddie using singular pronouns would be grammatically incorrect.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Oh I know, I've read Venom comics....however unfortunately. I just like giving Picard a hard time.

 

[Picard Sisko]

lol so voice intonation and not using incorrect grammar counts against a character

lol

lol


lol so hard

You have to be kidding me. I hope you're not being serious, otherwise you clearly know very little about venom.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Oh I know, I've read Venom comics....however unfortunately. I just like giving Picard a hard time.

Oh, your flattery is just overwhelming!

 

[A Necessary Evil]

You have to be kidding me. I hope you're not being serious, otherwise you clearly know very little about venom.

Oh, and it's hilarrrrious you say that, because I recall Venom not always using WE. Case in point :

Oh, your flattery is just overwhelming!

 

[webhead731]

Yeah Venom didn't always do that.

It doesn't ruin the character if he doesn't say we or us.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Its become a signature part of Venom as a character as he became more interesting. Not using it is a waste.

So, no, "A Necessary Evil," no case in point. Go back to your troll cave.

 

[webhead731]

Its become a signature part of Venom as a character as he became more interesting. Not using it is a waste.

So, no, "A Necessary Evil," no case in point. Go back to your troll cave.

A lot of signature traits of characters don't always make it. I mean Joker didn't have laughing gas and that didn't make the Dark Knight version suck. Bane had no Venom.

Your arguments are constantly being shot down and proven invalid and you rarely back yourself up and yet you call Evil here the troll.

Please, say something else that we can shoot down.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I guess Sam Raimi should have given the Green Goblin his "flying stick" since he didn't "always" use a glider.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Its become a signature part of Venom as a character as he became more interesting. Not using it is a waste.

So, no, "A Necessary Evil," no case in point. Go back to your troll cave.

Ok, so by that logic:

Bane had no SA accent & Venom
Tony Stark wasn't anywhere near as funny/cool in the comics, he was a massive bore
Rhino never looked like a transformer
Lizard never looked like a Mario character

Wow, what a waste of characters.

Back to teh troll cave

 

[Picard Sisko]

A lot of signature traits of characters don't always make it. I mean Joker didn't have laughing gas and that didn't make the Dark Knight version suck.

Your arguments are constantly being shot down and proven invalid and yet you call Evil here the troll.

Please, say something else that we can shoot down.

How have my arguments been proven invalid? He uses tactics such as, "well I'm a film major so I know what I'm talking about." Ha, that changes everything.

 

[webhead731]

I guess Sam Raimi should have given the Green Goblin his "flying stick" since he didn't "always" use a glider.

Nah the glider is a big improvement. "We" is just a noun. Not that big of a deal.
Could it work? Yes. Was it NEEDED? No.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Ok, so by that logic:

Rhino never looked like a transformer
Lizard never looked like a Mario character

Wow, what a waste of characters.

Well, Rhino doesn't look like a transformer in TASM2, first of all. And its okay to change the look of characters when necessary since the classic Rhino would never work on film.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Hey, look, you're the ones defending Sam Raimi's incarnation of Venom, so I just have to sit back and laugh a little bit. This guy down below knows what I'm talking about.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Well, Rhino doesn't look like a transformer in TASM2, first of all. And its okay to change the look of characters when necessary since the classic Rhino would never work on film.

Ur right he doesn't look like a transformer oh wait he does

 

[webhead731]

Hey, look, you're the ones defending Sam Raimi's incarnation of Venom, so I just have to sit back and laugh a little bit. This guy down below knows what I'm talking about.

Is this supposed to make me feel embarrassed or ashamed of my opinion?

This pic is awesome to me. I love the tendrils going under his skin like veins. I love them pulling his eyebrow up. I love the sinister smile and the idea of his teeth being sharp and grotesque under the mask.

This is a great image.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

It has a christmas-y vibe to it too lol. I wish Spider-Man 3 had taken place in the winter.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Ur right he doesn't look like a transformer oh wait he does

Well, no, he doesn't. Unless everything mechanical looks like a transformer to you? The USM version of Rhino is a hell of a lot better than the 616 incarnation IMO, so I'm glad they went this route.

Is this supposed to make me feel embarrassed or ashamed of my opinion?

This pic is awesome to me. I love the tendrils going under his skin like veins. I love them pulling his eyebrow up. I love the sinister smile and the idea of his teeth being sharp and grotesque under the mask.

This is a great image.

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. I think he looks OK, but I wasn't really interested in seeing Eric Forman. I wanted to see Venom's face, which only had about 20 seconds of screen time.

Anyways, thank you for reminding me of why I put you on my ignore list. Really... thank you.

 

[webhead731]

Well, no, he doesn't. Unless everything mechanical looks like a transformer to you? The USM version of Rhino is a hell of a lot better than the 616 incarnation IMO, so I'm glad they went this route.



Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. I think he looks OK, but I wasn't really interested in seeing Eric Forman. I wanted to see Venom's face, which only had about 20 seconds of screen time.

Anyways, thank you for reminding me of why I put you on my ignore list. Really... thank you.

"He likes Raimi Venom I'm going to put him on my ignore list!" are you serious

 

[A Necessary Evil]

lol pulling an Avi Arad I see

"yeah you're the ones defending this monstrosity."

"actually it's okay, I guess."

In all seriousness, I'm sorry you have issues where people challenge your opinion, whereas you have no problem doing that to others.