The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 9

[A Necessary Evil]

Anyone here thought Topher Grace was miscast as Venom?

Not really. Although I dislike Venom, I love the direction they took with the character (actually giving him, ya know, motivations as opposed to the comics), and prefer the look of Venom not being a hulk sized creature. Also, Eddie Brock Jr., who in the comics was as scrawny as Topher used to be before he semi-beefed up in the role.

 

[Doc Ock]

Anyone here thought Topher Grace was miscast as Venom?

I sure did, pathetic Eddie Brock in my eyes. No good qualities at all, at least the blonde hair and hating Peter Parker was there.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Nope he's 616

How do you figure? Let me guess, based on physical appearance.

Character wise, SM1 Peter and Ultimate Peter are more similar than TASM Peter is to either.

Ultimate Peter is shy, soft-spoken and passive, but generally optimistic and in good spirits...just like Peter in SM1.

TASM Peter is a street smart, confident, sardonic and very angsty.

Now how is SM1 Peter "616"? I realize it's convenient and easy to apply these sort of shorthand labels to these characters, but they're just not accurate. Sorry.

 

[Green Goblin]

How do you figure? Let me guess, based on physical appearance.

Character wise, SM1 Peter and Ultimate Peter are more similar than TASM Peter is to either.

Ultimate Peter is shy, soft-spoken and passive, but generally optimistic and in good spirits...just like Peter in SM1.

TASM Peter is a street smart, confident, sardonic and very angsty.

Now how is SM1 Peter "616"? I realize it's convenient and easy to apply these sort of shorthand labels to these characters, but they're just not accurate. Sorry.

Keep it for the Garfield v.s Maguire thread.

 

[Green Goblin]

Anyone else find Spider-Man more enjoyable than Spider-Man 2?

It's been a few years since I watched SM1 and I'm looking around for some deals in my near by DVD stores for it.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Anyone else find Spider-Man more enjoyable than Spider-Man 2?

It's been a few years since I watched SM1 and I'm looking around for some deals in my near by DVD stores for it.

Keep it for the SM1 vs SM2 thread.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Keep it for the Garfield v.s Maguire thread.

I don't remember mentioning Maguire or Garfield...hmmm...Way to avoid my argument.

I'm talking about the characterization of Peter Parker in Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN (What's this thread called again?) being very similar to that of the ultimate comic book more so than TASM- and not simply "616".

 

[Green Goblin]

I don't remember mentioning Maguire or Garfield...hmmm...Way to avoid my argument.

I'm talking about the characterization of Peter Parker in Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN (What's this thread called again?) being very similar to that of the ultimate comic book more so than TASM- and not simply "616".

Nope we can discuss this else where, I want this thread to be about Rami

 

[Vid Electricz]

It was probably totally unclear when I said:

"I'm talking about the characterization of Peter Parker in Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN"

I can easily see how you could misconstrue that as meaning anything other than discussing the characterization of Peter Parker in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man.

 

[Green Goblin]

It was probably totally unclear when I said:

"I'm talking about the characterization of Peter Parker in Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN"

I can easily see how you could misconstrue that as meaning anything other than discussing the characterization of Peter Parker in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man.

I mean I don't want to discuss Maguire or Garfield, we've moved on. Their is a seperate thread to compare and/or talk about what version they are based.

 

[Vid Electricz]

I mean I don't want to discuss Maguire or Garfield, we've moved on. Their is a seperate thread to compare and/or talk about what version they are based.

Moved on from what? Discussing Sam Raimi's Spider-Man?

Yes, there is a separate thread to discuss who you liked better portraying Peter Parker, Garfield or Maguire. As I've repeaed twice now, that has nothing to do with this discussion. I'm talking about the characterization of Peter Parker in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. Looks like that fits the criteria of this thread. So no, it's no more a fit for that thread than this one.

Talk about dancing around the point!

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Moved on from what? Discussing Sam Raimi's Spider-Man?

Yes, there is a separate thread to discuss who you liked better portraying Peter Parker, Garfield or Maguire. As I've repeaed twice now, that has nothing to do with this discussion. I'm talking about the characterization of Peter Parker in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. Looks like that fits the criteria of this thread. So no, it's no more a fit for that thread than this one.

Talk about dancing around the point!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I love Symbiote Peter moments

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I legitimately loved the dancing moments in SM3.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Those never fail to make me laugh hard

 

[DX]

Devin Faraci wrote an article defending the dance scenes and...yeah, I agree with him lol

http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/02/in-defense-of-spider-man-3s-dance-scenes/

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Devin Faraci wrote an article defending the dance scenes and...yeah, I agree with him lol

http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/02/in-defense-of-spider-man-3s-dance-scenes/

I love this segment of the article

But for all its problems, Spider-Man 3 has some shining moments, one of which is essentially Sam Raimi's grinning middle finger to all the grim n' gritty business that has consumed superheroes for the last few decades: the Peter Parker dance scenes.

Not faulting it

 

[Green Goblin]

If they wanted to show Peter having changed they could have just had him more intimidating instead of turning him into laughing stock.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

He was a joke only in the street dance and the bar dance
The way people call him a joke in that movie is as if all he did was dance over Brock's fallen body

Later:
Venom: "I'm dancing over your broken body. It's pay back
With great power comes great fun"

 

[Green Goblin]

I always thought Spider-Man 3 was just a werid movie with Tobey Maguire in it

 

[Green Goblin]

And this turns into a Spider-Man 3 bashing thread

Again

 

[Human Torch]

I love this segment of the article

Not faulting it

Yeah,great article.The guy nailed it.t:

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I always thought Spider-Man 3 was just a werid movie with Tobey Maguire in it

It's part of a film series about a dork able to run as fast as a school bus unable to beat anyone in his school, suddenly dressing in tight spandex and able to punch Flash halfway through the school hall and fights a guy on a glider using bombs in a burning building

Of course Spider-Man 3 is weird

 

[Vid Electricz]

I always thought Spider-Man 3 was just a werid movie with Tobey Maguire in it

And this turns into a Spider-Man 3 bashing thread

Again

Dude, you're the only one bashing it.

If they wanted to show Peter having changed they could have just had him more intimidating instead of turning him into laughing stock.

That was the point of the article. It was Sam Raimi subverting expectations about the gritty antihero trope we've seen a trillion times.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Anyone here thought Topher Grace was miscast as Venom?

"Miscast" is an understatment. As you might guess from my signature, I'm no less livid about Venom's fate in SM3 than I was in 2007. I can't think of a character who was more disrepected in a modern-era movie.

I really wish Brock and all references to the symbiote had been left out of SM3, which was a good movie otherwise. Everything from the symbiote's lame origin, to Brock's emaciated look, to the idiotic fake photo story, to Venom's vomit-inducing dialogue was time which would have been better spent on Harry and Sandy.