The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 9

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  1. Green Goblin

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    All hail The Joker, his logic Regins supreme.
     
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  2. Green Goblin

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    At least say you didn't want to like TASM.
     
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  3. S. Grundy

    S. Grundy Well-Known Member

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    I wanted to like it, I liked the casting. I just hated the characterization of Parker. He was this *****ey geek chic bad boy.
     
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  4. Green Goblin

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    Read Ultimate Spider-Man...
     
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  5. Senator Pleasury

    Senator Pleasury Well-Known Member

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    It is not SM3. That's more than enough reason.
     
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  6. Green Goblin

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    Apparently now Maguire is a crying ***** and Garfield is a dick?
    Maguire is the 616 early days Parker
    Garfield is Brian Micheal Bendis Parker - He's not so much a nerd, just the smart guy who's shy in class. He's got that Hipster edge to him and has problems with his past being a mystery and has experienced pain throughout his life.

    If I want to watch Stan Lee/Ditko era I watch the Rami films
    If I want to watch Modern Era/Ultimate I watch the new series
    Nuff' said.
     
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  7. S. Grundy

    S. Grundy Well-Known Member

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    Well, ASM Parker is pretty much a *****e.

    He breaks a promise to a dying man.
    He treats Aunt May like crap after her husband is murdered.
    He kinda acts like a sociopath when he's hunting down Uncle Ben's killer.
    He screws over that Oscorp intern.
     
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  8. Green Goblin

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    I get the impression that you did not want to like the new spidey. Your logic is flawed as the last 2 were quite odd.
     
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  9. S. Grundy

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    See, I thought his Spider-Man was pretty good, it's his Parker that I hated.

    Captain Stacy's last words to Peter in the comic were, "Be good to her, son. Be good to her. She loves you very much." Not to leave Gwen out of his life.

    Yes, his aunt shows concern for him staying out late and coming home bruised, and what does he do? Basically tells her to mind her own business.

    As for Uncle Ben's killer, in S-M he confronts him but never gets to do anything to him, the carjacker trips and falls to his death, and with Sandman he was under the influence of the symbiote. In ASM he cruelly toys with the carjacker, and insinuates something worse would have happened if he had the tattoo. And then he attacks another guy, who wasn't doing anything illegal just looked like the thief, and just leaves hanging off a ledge, because it's not his problem he hasn't keeping up with his chin-ups.

    It may have been a funny scene, but still a *****ey thing to do to a stranger.
     
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  10. Nardz937

    Nardz937 In The Chill Of Night

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    Good post, bud.

    Spider-Man 2 is an amazing movie. The second greatest superhero movie ever made, behind Dark Knight in my opinion. Though, I personally have a little more love for Spidey 2 in my heart than Dark Knight.
     
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    Woot? He tried to play the hero without "Power and Responsibility". He failed. That changed the whole origin of Spider-Man.

    It is not brave. Really it's dumb and stupid. It would be brave if he had called the police and identified the guy.
    And which power had Ben? Was he stronger? No. Was he faster? No.
     
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    The guy tripped and fell, and his gun slide in front of Ben.
     
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    I guess then Peter in the Rami series is a d*** then too? He didn't tell his aunt that he was responsible and led her to believe it was her doing for two years? In SM2 he was fixing his bike and the wheel came off and it someone, that was finny but that came of a *****y. He adandoned his responsibility and let some dude get beat up. Please go to sleep aunt may is not being a *****e, he wanted to keep her out of trouble. Spider-Man is supposed to be an ******* that's why he toyed with the thief, it's just he was pissed and wanted revenge. Lol Gwen wanted to break the promise and Peter didn't want to initially, did Peter in SM2 choose to be with the girl?
     
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    So... The moral is to give the responsibility to the police and let the thief get away? Ben would be doing the same thing Peter did. By that logic Ben himself wouldn't have understood responsibility. Peter wouldn't stop him, his Uncle wouldn't stop him neither would have showed responsibility.
     
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  15. A Necessary Evil

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    I've always enjoyed SM3, despite being a flawed movie, it's pretty solid. The fanboy hyperbole is over the top and not worth getting upset over.
     
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    Back to Rami Spidey... I ask can SM2 be topped?
     
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    I see you are fluent in the arts of hyperbole.



    Give the responsibility to someone else...

    Wait a sec! Wasn't that exactly what Peter did when he let the thug escape at the TV studios and told the security guard that it was HIM who should have caught the guy? Which is exactly what Uncle Ben did not and what Peter had to learn out of it?

    Webb gave us an Uncle Ben who knew better.
     
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  18. A Necessary Evil

    A Necessary Evil One. Bad. Day.

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    Yeah, cause I said its the greatest movie ever and it has no flaws and has done no wrong.

    [​IMG]

    You are obviously fluent in the arts of trying to start an argument, so there's that.
     
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    Peter still failed to intervene in the robbery that led to his father figure's death. Marko being the trigger man doesn't nullify this, though it does make things needlessly convoluted.

    I've warmed to this retcon over time. Raimi clearly wanted to position Peter as spiritually close to Harry as possible and it works in that regard. Goblin Jr has become warped by his need to avenge his father, and SM3 gives Peter the chance to experience the same temptation. Harry's redemption has a profound effect on Peter in the end. Peter is able to forgive Marko for his sins because he saw Harry do something very similar first.
     
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  20. Vid Electricz

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    Sorry, but Peter in Ultimate Spider-Man is nothing like Peter in TASM.

    They're both teenagers I guess...? Otherwise, Peter in Ultimate is much closer to the Tobey Maguire version.
     
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    I say yes.SM 3 did so,quite well.


    (Cue the usual suspects with flame-throwers.:hehe:)
     
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    The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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  23. S. Grundy

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    There's a clear difference between an accident and screwing someone over.

    Which was the point of "Spider-Man No More!" You kinda have to show the consequences of Peter's choice of giving up being Spider-Man. And then later on he runs into a burning building (minus any super powers) to save a child.

    There's a fine line between being an ass and being a sociopath, needlessly suffocating someone (yes even a criminal) and telling him things could have gone much worse if he had the tattoo (implying murder). Not to mention he left a guy hanging off of a ledge, who wasn't even doing anything illegal. He kinda comes off a bit unbalanced.

    It was Peter's choice to not pursue MJ romantically, and S-M 2 happened and MJ made the choice to be with Peter and he accepted it.

    ASM, he makes a promise to a dying man, and then breaks it.
     
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    "With great power comes great responsibility", Spider-Man is not the Kick-Ass movie. :doh:
    Ben had no powers to stop him.
     
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  25. A Necessary Evil

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