The Official Moon Knight Thread - Part 1

How did Brubaker write Zemo different to how he was before?

And why is that Ultron's head he is holding? So Ultron is the Kingpin of LA? If so that is just laughable.
 
How did Brubaker write Zemo different to how he was before?

I think he was kind of reformed in Thunderbolts and more of kind of anti-hero-ish type of deal. I don't know, for sure, though, but that's what I gathered from Corp.
 
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How did Brubaker write Zemo different to how he was before?

He made him into a villain again with no reasoning.

And why is that Ultron's head he is holding? So Ultron is the Kingpin of LA? If so that is just laughable.

I understand you dislike Bendis, but trying to bash this unreleased comic based off a cover is just getting desperate. :p
 
Zemo didn't feel like a straight up villain to me in Cap. It felt like he was more testing Bucky. Revealing the truth of his past, feeling it wasn't fair for him to work so hard to be reformed and couldn't be accepted yet Bucky played Cold War assassin for 5 decades and gets a pat on the back as the new Captain America.

How he's being handled in Heroes for Hire I have no explanation for.
 
He made him into a villain again with no reasoning.

I didn't think he made him a villain again. More like just screwing around with Bucky. And like NDX said, pissed off that Bucky got it easy when trying to reform.


I understand you dislike Bendis, but trying to bash this unreleased comic based off a cover is just getting desperate. :p
I'm not bashing, not yet. But if it does turn out that Ultron is the Kingpin of LA... then yea, that is a whole new level of terrible.
 
Well, I haven't read the arc since it was released, but Zemo seemed pretty villain-ish to me. I never got the impression he was 'testing' Bucky. I thought he went after him because he didn't want his father's (or grandfather or whatever) legacy of killing Bucky to be voided (which is pretty damn villainous). And he just acted very villainy to me. Plus, he's teaming up with Sin now, apparently, so it seemed like a pretty clean villain turn to me.
 
Well the art looks good but I don't think anyone was worried about that.
 

I get it. Remember how in ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN, Specter's "mind-scape" would show all his personalities chatting by a swing set and debating what to do and who would be in charge? Well, this is the same, only instead of some of those personalities being Ronin and a little girl, they'll be Spider-Man, Capt. America and Wolverine. It's something too ridiculous for NEXTWAVE, only played straight.

I love how Bendis' first thing on MK is basically do the same thing he was doing with Ultimate and just alter the details. No need to, like, actually read and appreciate the character's continuity and come up with something...work with me...new and original. I mean, you can't get sued for ripping off yourself, right? And why stop doing what has "worked" since 2005?

Poor Moon Knight; Bendis used Sentry up and burned him out, and Specter may share a similar fate.

I don't think exaggerating Moon Knight's most commonly exaggerated character detail is going to help things.
 
I get it. Remember how in ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN, Specter's "mind-scape" would show all his personalities chatting by a swing set and debating what to do and who would be in charge? Well, this is the same, only instead of some of those personalities being Ronin and a little girl, they'll be Spider-Man, Capt. America and Wolverine.

Thats what i've been saying! :p
I love how Bendis' first thing on MK is basically do the same thing he was doing with Ultimate and just alter the details. No need to, like, actually read and appreciate the character's continuity and come up with something

But he is going to use the supporting characters and play the Konshu angle (yet he will keep it ambigious but more on realistic side) so claiming Bendis isn't doing any research or respect to continuity is just baseless whine yet again and that makes me go Hulk smash! :o
 
But he is going to use the supporting characters and play the Konshu angle (yet he will keep it ambigious but more on realistic side) so claiming Bendis isn't doing any research or respect to continuity is just baseless whine yet again and that makes me go Hulk smash! :o

I hadn't heard much about Khonshu. From the last stuff I read, Bendis wasn't going to undo it but not go too into it either - "continuity by omission" as Mark Millar once said. As for the supporting cast, of course Frenchie and Marlene'd be there. That's the bare minimum.
 
See to me, this whole thing stinks of Bendis thinking Moon Knight isn't an interesting character as himself, which isn't true.
 
well I think that at Marvel there is this prevailing theory that Moon Knight is just crazy Batman.Its hardly a Bendis trait.
That being said Bendis has this habit of writing characters as he thinks they should be as opposed to how they should be written.
 
Outrageous! Moon Knight #1 lettered preview!

Ah it's no big surprise we see street crooks talk about gaining super powers, reminds me of the MHG (Mutant hormone gene) street drug that Bendis had as a rather big theme/subplot on his Daredevil run and really why shouldn't Los Angeles be any different? With the blood and solicitation for #4 it does seem big we're going with the bloodthirsty vigilante on the edge of his sanity that makes us all think about the über grimdark Batman. I still hope the LA Kingpin is Daken because i'd love to see Bendis write more of him.
 
Ah, poor Mr. Hyde. He's still there to jobber for an easy intro victory for heroes. Guess its nice he's filling in for Rhino or the Wrecking Crew who tend to do that.

What always got me curious about MGH, or Mutant Growth Hormone, was that it often wasn't collected from mutants, and that inducing super-powers in others with a drug doesn't make them a mutant, either. You can collect blood or tissue or fluid samples from any metahuman, such as the Mattie Frank Spider-Woman or Spider-Man or Cloak or so on. And injecting serums or potions into someone to induce super powers is old hat, really. Just in the 60's, everyone had access to a lab and zapped up on some sort of "rays" - now its basically a new underground steroid. The concept is strong, even if not totally new (the Power Broker, for instance, did this **** in the 80's, but you don't see Bendis paying tribute to that, just acting like he invented it himself, like thought balloons), I just was always curious about the name. A better one would be SGH, or Superhuman Growth Hormone. Or even Metahuman Growth Hormone. Mutant implies you can only take it from mutants or it only works on mutants, and neither is true. But, eh, who needs technicalities.

The preview looks okay, but I'm not being suckered into another Bendis ongoing. He always fails. He'll produce one good issue out of a dozen mediocre to obnoxious issues and expect the moon for it - pun intended.

Also...geez, look at that decompression. This is a standard, "masked hero interrupts some sort of drug buy" sort of deal. It's stretched to 6 pages and counting. Back in the 80's it was maybe half that. It's ridiculous. And Marvel wonders why people tune out or, gasp, wait for a trade. Do we REALLY need ****ing four pages of Nameless Mook #1 talking about useless stuff to Nameless Mook #2? Bendis is one of those writers personally responsible for the style of decompressed, 6 issues or bust for every mundane plot deal that has effectively DESTROYED comic books. It has led to the era of charging more in cover price for less of a story every issue, and fans have fled over the years AND WILL NEVER RETURN. To the average person, paying $3-$4 for perhaps a 3 minute scene from a TV show is ludicrous, and I can't blame many for fleeing. It encourages trade waiting, which Marvel hates. It makes no sense to me.

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well I think that at Marvel there is this prevailing theory that Moon Knight is just crazy Batman.Its hardly a Bendis trait.

Agreed. But it is a bad theory that hasn't helped Moon Knight stick around for the past 2-3 years. It is a theory that has been exaggerated past its usefulness, much as writing bleak, life destroying stories with Daredevil. Even after 20 years of marriage, Marvel decided Spidey needed a drastic change. M-Day drastically changed the X-Men. Yet instead of exploring the pulp angles, they exaggerate the subplot of Specter as a crazy man, and that's a dead end sort of thing. You can't feel sympathy for too crazy a lead. It just becomes Generic Grim Hero 101, which was when I left this Charlie Husten run.

I'm not saying Specter should be the image of mental health. I am saying he shouldn't have to roll a die to figure out what super hero personality he is, and that his pulp origin is ripe for some genuinely new things. Look what mining the origin of Iron Fist that had been ignored for decades did for Ed Brubaker & Matt Fraction on that franchise.

The honesty is Bendis could do whatever he wanted on Moon Knight. If he wanted to have him fight aliens on Saturn and grow to 600 feet tall as a regular super power, Marvel wouldn't bat an eye. At this point he is in this awkward position where he isn't an editor, because he doesn't want the position (it has been implied that it has been offered to him at least once), but he is "more equal" than any writer at Marvel. Yet despite this Bendis has fallen into the same trap with Moon Knight and that disappoints me. It doesn't surprise me, but it disappoints me.
 
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What always got me curious about MGH, or Mutant Growth Hormone, was that it often wasn't collected from mutants, and that inducing super-powers in others with a drug doesn't make them a mutant, either. You can collect blood or tissue or fluid samples from any metahuman, such as the Mattie Frank Spider-Woman or Spider-Man or Cloak or so on. And injecting serums or potions into someone to induce super powers is old hat, really. Just in the 60's, everyone had access to a lab and zapped up on some sort of "rays" - now its basically a new underground steroid. The concept is strong, even if not totally new (the Power Broker, for instance, did this **** in the 80's, but you don't see Bendis paying tribute to that, just acting like he invented it himself, like thought balloons), I just was always curious about the name. A better one would be SGH, or Superhuman Growth Hormone. Or even Metahuman Growth Hormone. Mutant implies you can only take it from mutants or it only works on mutants, and neither is true. But, eh, who needs technicalities.

Are you literally complaining about criminals (i repeat: criminals) trying to sell a power giving drug that they claim is from the blood of Spider-Man or some mutant (while the truth is, most if not all came from the Owl) and you wish Bendis had had the criminals try and sell the drug as something like "superhuman growth hormone" ? Honestly Mutant is a much stronger word and the wide range of different mutant powers makes it a much more appealing name to sell, people think about Steve Rogers when they hear superhuman, but when you think about mutant you think of all the wonderful X-men characters.

And yeah the short scene is expanded to 6 whole pages, but lets remember the issue will be oversized, so theres hope for the first issue pleasing more people. :p
 
Are you literally complaining about criminals (i repeat: criminals) trying to sell a power giving drug that they claim is from the blood of Spider-Man or some mutant (while the truth is, most if not all came from the Owl) and you wish Bendis had had the criminals try and sell the drug as something like "superhuman growth hormone" ? Honestly Mutant is a much stronger word and the wide range of different mutant powers makes it a much more appealing name to sell, people think about Steve Rogers when they hear superhuman, but when you think about mutant you think of all the wonderful X-men characters.

And yeah the short scene is expanded to 6 whole pages, but lets remember the issue will be oversized, so theres hope for the first issue pleasing more people. :p

I'm not complaining about the idea, but the name. In the Marvel Universe, where mutants are literally lynched in the street to the cheers of families and small children, naming anything after mutants and implying it came from them or involved them should DISCOURAGE customers from using it than the opposite. The average Marvel citizen wants every mutant to die, or at least does nothing when they do. Why would a drug called Mutant Group Hormone encourage customers, especially criminals who tend to be more bigoted than law abiding citizens in stories?

Imagine if I walked into NYC and tried selling my new designer drug as Klan Treats. I'd get attention, all right, but not positive attention.

Plus, the drug simply doesn't come from mutants and that is confusing. Every single person who has ever asked me what MGH comes from has always been confused when I explained it in no way is limited to mutants, and often isn't taken from them. And by "every single person", I mean about three via AIM and maybe five in real life. :p

Bendis oversized = taking 30 pages to tell an 8 page story. And why are these mobsters talking about the X-Men as whacking one of them? Since when have the X-Men ever fought...gasp...crime, since the 1960's? The last time the X-Men did was AXM #1, and it turned out the hostage taker was an alien, so that made it okay (the X-Men have battled more aliens recently than the Fantastic Four). Perhaps they mean Wolverine, or maybe Moon Knight AS Wolverine, which is wrong on every level? Ugh.
 
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Moon Knight #1 preview! The final one probably!

So yeah it seems Bendis went with the "Moon Knight's Cap is the fatherly guide who you can rely on" instead of me thinking we'd get the Ultimate Cap barking orders, Wolverine is the rough "jerk" telling him to focus on "the mission" and Spidey is the guy cracking jokes, and yeah i like how genuily happy Moon Knight seems to be, he's relieved he has people watching his back... Even tho it's all in his madness, awesome.
 
Moon Knight #1 conclusion is not a fist-pump "oh my" due to the press already revealing what Bendis pitch to the character is, we get the "origin" for Moon Knight at the opening pages via his tv show, we get Moon Knight fightning Mr. Hyde while Bendis builds up the Kingpin of LA, who i seriously hope is Daken! Alex Maleev's art is not photorealistic here at all but rather dirty and gritty, it fits the atmosphere but one can either argue that the beaten up thugs are beatifully drawn or awfully, since the thugs get so ugly as their faces are all broken and swallowed and whatnot.

It's a good opener, nothing amazing or anything due to the reveal known beforehand, but i like it.
 
I had to read it a few time to understand that was Mr Hyde....did something happen that changed his look?
 
Can't say I hated it, but I can;'t say I liked it, either. At points, I liked the art, and at others I couldn't stand it. Dunno how long I'm willing to follow this.
 
So, it seems my low expectations and initial criticisms of the Bendis Moon Knight era were founded, despite me deciding to take a pass on reading it myself. A pity. Not a surprise, but a pity.
 

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