Age of Ultron The Official Scarlet Witch Thread - Part 1

[Six]

I agree about the marketing though. I've given Marvel the piss all the time for unnecessarily photoshopping the hell out of their posters. Apparently its a crime in hollywood to hire actual artists to do them.

 

[Loki882]

Natasha's not the only one to use this fighting style.

And he has super-strength. t:

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Like I said sometime ago, the 1990s costume would be great:

 

[Joeyjojo72]

If Whedon has a weak spot its probably costuming. I have slight concerns regarding SW's outfit(s). Sounds like they're going the cautious route, with maybe some subtle nods to the classic ensemble. Probably a smart move.

 

[marcvader]

Im surprised that 90's costume doesnt have pouches or fingerless gloves.

 

[DrCosmic]

I agree about the stupid "butt shot" posters. However, her fighting style is not about sexualizing her. It's about showing how a smaller-sized woman (Scarjo is much smaller than her co-stars) can take down opponents who are almost always much taller/heavier than her, by using movement and momentum and all of her body weight concentrated into one motion. Plus, her fighting style is no more sexualized than any MMA fighter.

There are many fighting styles where smaller opponents take out larger ones. They simply chose the one that involves straddling people. It's Rey Mysterio meets Xenia Onatopp. It's sexy, everybody knows it. Let's not pretend.

And while MMA may be minimal clothing and plenty straddling, there's nothing sexy about it because of, y'know, the blood, and it being two guys, further, even if there was (and for some it is), it's one bit of obvious sexualization which is equal with the ladies of MMA compared to Widow's several compared to none for most of the male Avengers. It's another example of 'pick one detail, and compare it to something in a different context' that the post I responding to tried to do with Cap also having a form fitting uniform and equating it with the multi-point sexualization Widow receives.

To head it off at the pass, Hulk wearing less clothing than Widow does not make him more sexualized. There's more to sexualization than showing skin. Ask the naked homeless guy.

I think, on the topic, I think because of Wanda's mental/emotional instability, I think she's going to be less sexualized, in that waif-ish River Tam sort of way. This matches up with Olsen's comments in the idea that she's not an athlete or a model and showing off her body would not really be that hot (I'm sure some would disagree). I think having a woman who's not in a skintight bodysuit could add some texture to the franchise, personally.

 

[Suzanne78]

*raising hand*

I find it both strong and sexy when women fight. Just… saying. I don't think there's anything wrong with that necessarily either; sometimes when dudes fight each other, or in the case with a well-trained man fighting a well-trained woman (see Clint v. Widow in TA), it gets a little hot up in here too. That might make me a conflicted feminist for some but… *shrugs*

Wait… what were we talking about now?

ETA: Hm… I really hope that Whedon writes Wanda less crazy than she is in the comics. I mean, a little instability's okay, give the character some internal struggle, but I think I'm just a wee bit tired of that trope especially after River.

At least you can't say the rest of the Avengers are any less crazy though. They've all got their own ish to deal with, so there's that.

 

[universeman]

Well if she is look who her Dad is

 

[AvengerPA]

*raising hand*

I find it both strong and sexy when women fight. Just… saying. I don't think there's anything wrong with that necessarily either; sometimes when dudes fight each other, or in the case with a well-trained man fighting a well-trained woman (see Clint v. Widow in TA), it gets a little hot up in here too. That might make me a conflicted feminist for some but… *shrugs*

Wait… what were we talking about now?

ETA: Hm… I really hope that Whedon writes Wanda less crazy than she is in the comics. I mean, a little instability's okay, give the character some internal struggle, but I think I'm just a wee bit tired of that trope especially after River.

At least you can't say the rest of the Avengers are any less crazy though. They've all got their own ish to deal with, so there's that.

I think Whedon will write her as a stronger character than she is in the comics.

 

[Suzanne78]

I have faith in Whedon. And I do like River…

I just really want Wanda to be stronger, less mentally unhinged.

Of course, it all depends on how it is written, so….

 

[Xeno]

Natasha's not the only one to use this fighting style.

That is not a "sexualized" fighting technique at all, but rather a way for a smaller person to use momentum and an opponent's own mass to their advantage. (There's no reason for the super-strong Spider-Man to use it, except maybe it looks neat.)

 

[cherokeesam]

That is not a "sexualized" fighting technique at all, but rather a way for a smaller person to use momentum and an opponent's own mass to their advantage. (There's no reason for the super-strong Spider-Man to use it, except maybe it looks neat.)

Hurricanrana!

 

[DrCosmic]

That is not a "sexualized" fighting technique at all, but rather a way for a smaller person to use momentum and an opponent's own mass to their advantage. (There's no reason for the super-strong Spider-Man to use it, except maybe it looks neat.)

Sexualization happens when you present something, not when you conceive of it's function. There are very unsexy ways to do this fighting style. Baggy clothes and doing a scissor move instead of a straddle for instance, as you've shown. Showing that wrestling isn't naturally sexualized doesn't mean that Xenia Onatopp isn't sexualized though.

For instance, if Spider-Man had done that move on a woman, it would have an entirely different implication, especially if his crotch had been any closer to her face. If the woman in the Karate gi had showed up in her bathing suit while everyone else was fighting in baggy clothes in a no straddling style, it'd have an additional effect other than just defeating her opponent. Especially if they had advertised for the tournament with her backside.

It's not just one thing, it's all of it together that tells a story. A story that works... why pretend it was an accident/coincidence?

 

[Xeno]

Sexualization happens when you present something, not when you conceive of it's function. There are very unsexy ways to do this fighting style. Baggy clothes and doing a scissor move instead of a straddle for instance, as you've shown. Showing that wrestling isn't naturally sexualized doesn't mean that Xenia Onatopp isn't sexualized though.

For instance, if Spider-Man had done that move on a woman, it would have an entirely different implication, especially if his crotch had been any closer to her face. If the woman in the Karate gi had showed up in her bathing suit while everyone else was fighting in baggy clothes in a no straddling style, it'd have an additional effect other than just defeating her opponent. Especially if they had advertised for the tournament with her backside.

It's not just one thing, it's all of it together that tells a story. A story that works... why pretend it was an accident/coincidence?

Tl; dr -- For you, the Black Widow's fighting style is "sexualized" because she is an attractive woman fighting men.

 

[cherokeesam]

Tl; dr -- For you, the Black Widow's fighting style is "sexualized" because she is an attractive woman fighting men.

Yeah, apparently she studied the ancient art of "**** fu."

 

[AvengerPA]

This is Elizabeth Olsen's Scarlet Witch hair.

 

[Majik1387]

Picture's not showing.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't see it either. Which hosting site are you using?

 

[Browncoat Alex]

Given this movie has started filming now I hope we get to see costumes soon. I'm really curious what Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are going to look like.

 

[cryptic name]

This is Elizabeth Olsen's Scarlet Witch hair.

Terrible. Hair makes her look like a small square with a little graphic in it. Movie will bomb.

 

[fixxxer]

Terrible. Hair makes her look like a small square with a little graphic in it. Movie will bomb.

 

[seahammer]

This is Elizabeth Olsen's Scarlet Witch hair.

Here. Fixed.

He had an extra "http://" in the original IMG tag.

EDIT:
She's making a Wallace face there...

 

[Majik1387]

I love the color.

 

[Gr0oT]

She's quite pretty and looks to have a very nice body, she's being modest when she is saying she wouldn't look good in a ridiculous bikini suit.

I do wish it to feel comicbooky to some extent and have that Marvel flavour, I don't want all these muted heroes.

 

[Pond]

Black Widow is not sexualized at all in Avengers. Sorry.