The Official 'Thor Rate & Review' thread - Part 2

[MadVillainy]

MJ dated or liked 4 guyd in the first film . Too much silly stuff there
The Spiderman films overplayed the angst to the point where the audience cheered when Peter slapped her . Now partly that is the writing and partly Dunst can't act .

She dated 2 other guys in the first movie. And I dont really see how it is "silly stuff" or really how it was bad for the MJ character
And I dont think that it was all the films that played up the angst to the point the audience cheered (which I didnt experience) as much as it was just the 3rd one when MJ was pissed at Peter for no reason (and of course her action in the last act of the 2nd movie) .
BUt even with all that the story at least made more sense to me because it had history. Peter liked her for a long time and after they got to know each other more she started to like him too. And after dating Harry and Flash who didn't treat her right, she wanted a nice guy like Peter.

In Thor, the relationship was just forced. Jones mentioned how he doesnt get how people find it to be unrealistic that someone could fall in love with Natalie Portman in such a short span of time. I mean if I wake up and Natalie Portman was there I would definetly wanna get with her, but there wasnt anything interesting about her character that I saw or at least nothing seemingly interesting enough that Thor would fall in love, not just wanna bang, Jane over Sif (who is pretty much perfect for him) or another Asgardian.

But for me comparing MJ/Peter in the movies to Thor/Jane in the movies is just a matter of picking the best of 2 evils. Neither was that good to me.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't know how people find it to be unrealistic that someone could fall in love with Natalie Portman in such a short span of time.

Agreed, lol.

 

[Franklin Richards]

She dated 2 other guys in the first movie. And I dont really see how it is "silly stuff" or really how it was bad for the MJ character
And I dont think that it was all the films that played up the angst to the point the audience cheered (which I didnt experience) as much as it was just the 3rd one when MJ was pissed at Peter for no reason (and of course her action in the last act of the 2nd movie) .
BUt even with all that the story at least made more sense to me because it had history. Peter liked her for a long time and after they got to know each other more she started to like him too. And after dating Harry and Flash who didn't treat her right, she wanted a nice guy like Peter

In Thor, the relationship was just forced. Jones mentioned how he doesnt get how people find it to be unrealistic that someone could fall in love with Natalie Portman in such a short span of time. I mean if I wake up and Natalie Portman was there I would definetly lust after her, but there wasnt anything interesting about her character that I saw or at least nothing seemingly interesting enough that Thor would fall in love, not just wanna bang, Jane over Sif (who is pretty much perfect for him) or another Asgardian.

So just how long does it take to fall in love, Mr. Wizard?


This is Shakespeare. Have you ever read Romeo & Juliet? You'd consider that one of the greatest pieces of literature of all time? Right?


Romeo was in love with Rosalyn at the beginning of the play and in the course of half a page falls deeply in love with his starcrossed lover.

I could go on. This is classic story telling. If you got a problem with Thor and Jane then you've got a problem with "love at first sight". If that's the case then you should stop reading.

 

[The Morningstar]

Well said Franklin.

 

[Flemm]

On the subject of Thor/Jane, it's not as if they jump in bed together or decide to get married on the spot. They're starting to fall in love, they're intrigued, they want to get to know each other better. Then they are separated abruptly and they both want to see each other again. There's nothing implausible at all about that.

It's the beginning of a romance, not the culmination of one.

 

[MadVillainy]

So just how long does it take to fall in love, Mr. Wizard?


This is Shakespeare. Have you ever read Romeo & Juliet? You'd consider that one of the greatest pieces of literature of all time? Right?


Romeo was in love with Rosalyn at the beginning of the play and in the course of half a page falls deeply in love with his starcrossed lover.

I could go on. This is classic story telling. If you got a problem with Thor and Jane then you've got a problem with "love at first sight". If that's the case then you should stop reading.

Never read Romeo and Juliet.
And about love at first sight...it didn't seem that way at all. When they looked at each other for the first time it was more of curiosity and yeah there was "wow he's/she's hot", but it didnt seem more than lust. She didn't even wanna follow him to the hospital. And really she didnt seem to care about him that much until she saw that reading of him in the picture of her research.

So the whole "love at first sight thing" could be thrown out a window. When I see movies that involve love at first sight like 500 Days of Summer, I believe it because the characters/actors do have this look in their eyes that seems genuine, but Thor didnt have it

 

[Rock Sexton]

Well said Franklin.

Indeed. Spot on.

 

[The Morningstar]

You didn't buy Jane crushing on Thor? What? Seriously, that wasn't even acting on Portman's part.

 

[MadVillainy]

There's a difference between crushing, lust, and falling in love. As I said I do believe yes they were attracted to each other, but no it wasnt love at first sight.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Ah. You wanted a big slo mo montage between their eyes. Camera circling and sweeping music in the background. It doesn't have to be so obvious for me.

And the truth of it is that it's prolly more of what Flemm was saying. We did see a short growth period and to tell you the truth they only kiss at THE END. Pretty appropriate place and the LONGEST you can officially grow.


Oh and go see a good production or the classic film of Romeo and Juliet. You're missing one of the root metaphors of the human race. And Mercutio is cooler than the Fonz.

 

[The Morningstar]

And as already mentioned, this was the beginning of a romance. This isn't a full blown relationship. The sparks were there, there was attraction from both sides.

And yes, Mercutio is the baddest mudda there is.

 

[MadVillainy]

Ah. You wanted a big slo mo montage between their eyes. Camera circling and sweeping music in the background.

Didnt say that at all

And as already mentioned, this was the beginning of a romance. This isn't a full blown relationship. The sparks were there, there was attraction from both sides.

That's more how I saw Pepper and Tony's relationship, even taking out the fact they didnt kiss or anything, in the first IM. Not so much in this.


But you know different strokes for different folks

 

[Franklin Richards]

Didnt say that at all



But you know different strokes for different folks

I'm just yankin' your chain.


Will argue more later. itunes just downloaded the new Dr. Who. Gotta run!

 

[MadVillainy]

nah Im done debating about it...

 

[Suzanne78]

Reading the thread, I half epected Thor and Jane to be telling I love yous to each other before the end of the movie. I was surprised by how charming they were together. Good chemistry, and I could attribute part of Jane's fascination with Thor from a scientific standpoint. So I'm definitely not getting the complaints that others had about their relationship being instant "love" and all that. There was attraction, fascination, and the start of something more... But not instant love.

Also, I really liked how 'at odds' Jane and SHIELD were during the NM segments. SHIELD was definitely utilized much better here than in the other Marvel movies, as antagonists to Selvig's team.

 

[Chewy]

Okay, I know she's confirmed herself she's not in Avengers but how the hell are the going to get past the idea of Thor not seeing Jane in the Avengers considering part of Thor's redemption and the whole ending rests on his feelings for Jane?

Portman's got to have some type of cameo right? I mean, since Thor will be on Earth in the Avengers, he's got to acknowledge Jane in some form or fashion?

A line of dialogue is not going to work. We have to see these two together again in some form in the Avengers.

Solution: SHIELD somehow gets Thor to Earth. He has to deal with Loki and helping the Avengers for the rest of the film. The film ends with him flying away to find Jane.

 

[Vartha]

I'm pretty Sure Jane's being BACKED by SHIELD now. She may have the connection up sooner than you think.

 

[MadVillainy]

Solution: SHIELD somehow gets Thor to Earth. He has to deal with Loki and helping the Avengers for the rest of the film. The film ends with him flying away to find Jane.

that was basically the same idea I had

 

[Marvel]

I'm pretty Sure Jane's being BACKED by SHIELD now. She may have the connection up sooner than you think.

Yeah, the last scene they're talking about using SHIELD tech and accessing their satellites.

Loki mentioned before he froze Heimdall that he was using secret paths to the nine world to travel that even Heimdall didn't know about. I'm thinking Thor uses one of those to get to earth even if it's a one way path. He looks for Jane with "The Son of Coul" and finds out earth is in real trouble.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think Heimdall finds Thor a way into Midgard, and that is how he comes back. Loki teased him about knowing things he didn't. Heimdall will want to find out what Loki found.

 

[Vartha]

You have to figure you don't have to HAVE Jane physically IN Avengers, she can be based where she is, and if Avengers starts off in NYC at a SHIELD base, communications aren't exactly BAD I'm sure They'll work out something and still get Thor back.

 

[WildcatNC]

I thought the romance worked fine. Unlike the other superhero movies they just met in the first movie. The others had time to develop before the movie.

This was the equivalent of a summer college romance that they just cant stop thinking about. They will try to find each other and go from there. I think as Thor grows in maturity he will begin to see Sif in a different light as well. Things will grow and become more complex. This was the beginning.

 

[moe]

7/10.

the movie's transitions were the weakest part of the film... it seemed thrown togather, rather than flowing... the characters were the strongest part of the film but there wasn't a strong enough script/plot for them to chew on... fun movie but lacking. And Natlie Portmen was a let down... she was the weakest character and just didn't do enough to garner any affection. Props to Chris, didn't think he had it in him.. but def won't be overshadowed in the Avengers.. he won't be over-powered by Robert's charisma.

 

[BatsDC]

Thor suprised me. It was much bvetter than I thought it would be. The 3D was good and really didn't bother me as much as I thought it would, but wasn't really necesary to the film, just to make it look better. I didn't have any problems with Thor and Jane like everyone else is saying, and they were really only starting a relationship. People laughed when they were supposed to and there was the right amount of action in it. The after credits scene was interesting, and also made me more hyped for the Avengers. Overall this film, in my opnion, is worth 4 Stars and I'd very much like to see it again.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Ah. You wanted a big slo mo montage between their eyes. Camera circling and sweeping music in the background. It doesn't have to be so obvious for me.

And the truth of it is that it's prolly more of what Flemm was saying. We did see a short growth period and to tell you the truth they only kiss at THE END. Pretty appropriate place and the LONGEST you can officially grow.


Oh and go see a good production or the classic film of Romeo and Juliet. You're missing one of the root metaphors of the human race. And Mercutio is cooler than the Fonz.

But Tybalt is the bamf with a blade. Romeo only punk'd him because he got lucky