The Official Tom Welling for Superman Campaign Thread!!!

[smsvmos]

Also guys about the video that I posted of Lois and Clark in the other page, that was not the one that I meant to put, it was this one that has the music from Superman 1

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[phil]

Personally I feel that Welling should only be Superman in continuities involving Smallville. Having Welling play as a different Clark Kent/Superman would be like Pierce Brosnan play as James Bond in Casino Royale or Michael Keaton play as Batman in Batman Begins.

If they do a reboot or a Justice League film that does not have Batman Begins and Superman Returns in its continuity, it should be a completely different actor IMO.

why? they don't even have to mention his years on SV, why would they even do that anyway, he would now be Superman which he will never be on SV? And he has also never been Clark working in the big city with a different identity wearing a costume at times on SV? Did STM rely on his days growing up? It's just a weekly TV show, bug budget movies are different and the GP could care less.

 

[smsvmos]

Mike22 at his best

 

[hippie_hunter]

why? they don't even have to mention his years on SV, why would they even do that anyway, he would now be Superman which he will never be on SV? And he has also never been Clark working in the big city with a different identity wearing a costume at times on SV? Did STM rely on his days growing up? It's just a weekly TV show, bug budget movies are different and the GP could care less.

Because Welling as Superman will link to Smallville even if the producers said that it wasn't part of it's continuity. I feel that if they do decide to go with different continuities, they should be as distinct as possible just like Eon did with 007 by not casting Pierce Brosnan when he wanted the role of James Bond. Just like what Nolan did with Batman Begins by casting Christian Bale and firmly establishing a completely different tone and setting than the previous Batman films. Casting Welling as Superman in a Superman movie would be like I've already said, be like casting Dean Cain as Superman in Superman Returns. Adam West as Batman in Batman. Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, or George Clooney as Batman in Batman Begins. Sean Connery, Roger Moore, George Lazenby, Timothy Dalton, or Pierce Brosnan as James Bond in Casino Royale. Robert Englund as Freddy Krueger in the Nightmare on Elm Street remake. You just shouldn't cast people from previous continuities as the same character in new continuities.

My biggest problem with Miller's JLA was that it was still linked to Batman Begins even though it was set in a different continuity. The script was originally written with Batman Begins, Superman Returns, Christian Bale, and Brandon Routh in mind. It had Talia as a villain who wanted revenge on Batman for "killing" her father (which Ra's did die in Batman Begins). And knowing how smart Hollywood can be, they probably would have used a Batman costume that was similar in style to the one in Batman Begins/The Dark Knight.

Personally I feel like Singer towards Smallville. It can co-exist with any other adaptation of Superman. It's a TV show. And let the fans who do like it, continue watching it and let the general public, people who don't like Smallville, and people who want to see a different interpretation of Superman see a different interpretation like what we got in Superman Returns. If they ever do reboot Superman, it should be distinctly different than both Smallville and Superman Returns.

 

[stargazer]

Agreed. ^^

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Because Welling as Superman will link to Smallville even if the producers said that it wasn't part of it's continuity. I feel that if they do decide to go with different continuities, they should be as distinct as possible just like Eon did with 007 by not casting Pierce Brosnan when he wanted the role of James Bond. Just like what Nolan did with Batman Begins by casting Christian Bale and firmly establishing a completely different tone and setting than the previous Batman films. Casting Welling as Superman in a Superman movie would be like I've already said, be like casting Dean Cain as Superman in Superman Returns. Adam West as Batman in Batman. Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, or George Clooney as Batman in Batman Begins. Sean Connery, Roger Moore, George Lazenby, Timothy Dalton, or Pierce Brosnan as James Bond in Casino Royale. Robert Englund as Freddy Krueger in the Nightmare on Elm Street remake. You just shouldn't cast people from previous continuities as the same character in new continuities.

My biggest problem with Miller's JLA was that it was still linked to Batman Begins even though it was set in a different continuity. The script was originally written with Batman Begins, Superman Returns, Christian Bale, and Brandon Routh in mind. It had Talia as a villain who wanted revenge on Batman for "killing" her father (which Ra's did die in Batman Begins). And knowing how smart Hollywood can be, they probably would have used a Batman costume that was similar in style to the one in Batman Begins/The Dark Knight.

Personally I feel like Singer towards Smallville. It can co-exist with any other adaptation of Superman. It's a TV show. And let the fans who do like it, continue watching it and let the general public, people who don't like Smallville, and people who want to see a different interpretation of Superman see a different interpretation like what we got in Superman Returns. If they ever do reboot Superman, it should be distinctly different than both Smallville and Superman Returns.

Agreed

 

[Nightwing1977]

Agreed. ^^

Agreed

Me three!

If you're going to use Welling, it has to use SV community & JL is not part of it. If it is, why is Wally West the Flash & not Bart Allen? Seeing as he was in SV & all.

 

[Webhead2006]

well they could always do what singer did with SR and have it vaguly connected(hated them making SR connected to the reeve's films) to that history(smallville's) lol.

 

[smsvmos]

In a JLA movie there is no need to make reference of Smallville. I would prefer to stick with Welling than a new actor cause what that would do is just bring further confusion to the ppl. And about Miller wanting to leech from Batman Begins, who wouldn't? that was a grate movie but it would only work if they cast Christian Bale as Batman. And Nightwing, do u know how many Flashes there are? Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen just to name the most popular ones so that really does not matter

 

[Webhead2006]

yea and easy reason if welling was jla supes he could make a reference to another flash he used to work with.

 

[hippie_hunter]

In a JLA movie there is no need to make reference of Smallville. I would prefer to stick with Welling than a new actor cause what that would do is just bring further confusion to the ppl. And about Miller wanting to leech from Batman Begins, who wouldn't? that was a grate movie but it would only work if they cast Christian Bale as Batman. And Nightwing, do u know how many Flashes there are? Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen just to name the most popular ones so that really does not matter

Just casting Welling would create the reference to Smallville regardless. A Justice League movie should have Superman Returns and Batman Begins in it's continuity and have Bale and Routh or be a completely separate continuity and have completely new actors.

And considering that Justice League Mortal was a separate continuity, leeching off of Batman Begins is a no-no IMO.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea it would have been nice if bale and routh(lesser extent there) was in jla film. But yea once they were not to be in the film a whole different dc verse for jla would be better. Why is it so easy for different continuities to exist in animated form but we cant have it in live action???

 

[smsvmos]

Just casting Welling would create the reference to Smallville regardless. A Justice League movie should have Superman Returns and Batman Begins in it's continuity and have Bale and Routh or be a completely separate continuity and have completely new actors.

And considering that Justice League Mortal was a separate continuity, leeching off of Batman Begins is a no-no IMO.

And what is the problem of creating a reference to Smallville ? I dont have a problem. I would have a problem with creating reference to Superman Returns and all the baggage it carries (The Son of Superman ). But to tell you the truth I think that Smallville fits better with JLA than SR does since in Smallville there are actually other Superheroes so the transition is better unlike in SR where he was the only hero of that earth and in his absence a lot of terrorism and world disasters happened and there was no one to help. Also, I myself dont see Superman Returns and Batman Begins fit together there are just too different from each other. But I see the Metropolis from Smallville and the Gotham of Batman Begins fit perfect.

 

[hippie_hunter]

And what is the problem of creating a reference to Smallville ? I dont have a problem. I would have a problem with creating reference to Superman Returns and all the baggage it carries (The Son of Superman ).

Of course you don't have a problem with Smallville linking to Justice League but a problem with Superman Returns linking to Justice League. You like Smallville and you hate Superman Returns. I have a problem with it because:

1. Smallville should remain a separate continuity. Keep it around for the people who do like it, but let people who don't care, people who want to see a separate incarnation of Superman, and most of all people who hate Smallville get a different Superman.

2. I really hate Smallville. I find Tom Welling and Kristen Kruek to be downright horrible actors, even on the television show. Even my sister who hates Superman and doesn't give a damn about acting abilities, but wanted Tom Welling because he's hot in her eyes, thought that he sucks as an actor. I find the plots to be dumb. I find how Kryptonite is used to be dumb. I hate the soap opera romances. I hate everything about this show except for Michael Rosenbaum.

But to tell you the truth I think that Smallville fits better with JLA than SR does since in Smallville there are actually other Superheroes so the transition is better unlike in SR where he was the only hero of that earth and in his absence a lot of terrorism and world disasters happened and there was no one to help.

Clark Kent teaming up with Bart Allen and Cyborg is incredibly dumb. Not only that there is nothing in Superman Returns that says that Superman is the only hero. In Superman Returns there is a Gotham and there can be a Batman in that Gotham, but there's no way in hell Batman can do anything about that when he has his hands full with Gotham and being a normal man.

In my opinion, Justice League should occur after Flash, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman get movies as well, that way a transition can happen much more easily.

Also, I myself dont see Superman Returns and Batman Begins fit together there are just too different from each other. But I see the Metropolis from Smallville and the Gotham of Batman Begins fit perfect.

No way. The Metropolis of Superman Returns which was rather realistic and had a tone of 1930's New York and current New York fits right along the New York metropolitan area.

Gotham City's tone of Chicago and Kowloon's slums in the Chicago metropolitan area.

The Gotham City of Batman Begins and Metropolis of Superman make sense with the geographical areas of where they're located in and the realistic and stylistic tones they exhibit. The Metropolis in Smallville makes no sense with the geographical area it's in (Kansas in which it's biggest city is about 350,000) and having a Vancouver-esque city in the middle of Kansas makes no sense either.

 

[hippie_hunter]

yea it would have been nice if bale and routh(lesser extent there) was in jla film. But yea once they were not to be in the film a whole different dc verse for jla would be better. Why is it so easy for different continuities to exist in animated form but we cant have it in live action???

Because it's easier with animation due to animation styles. It's easy to tell that the Batman, Teen Titans, Superman and the Legion of Superheroes, the Brave and the Bold, and the mainstream DCAU are all separate continuities because the animation is different. The tones are different. Everything is different about them.

Marvel's developing a coherent universe with their newer films by making sure that Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man in the Incredible Hulk and the Avengers and whoever plays Captain America, Thor, etc. in their prospective movies will be playing the same role in the Avengers and other cameos.

Warner Bros. can do the same thing by making sure that Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and the Flash have a tone that can fit with Batman Begins and Superman Returns and having actors who play those roles, play them in a team-up movie. It's not that hard, I have no idea what gave Warner Bros. the idea to do separate continuities for all their live action films when Justice League Mortal was in development.

 

[smsvmos]

Of course you don't have a problem with Smallville linking to Justice League but a problem with Superman Returns linking to Justice League. You like Smallville and you hate Superman Returns. I have a problem with it because:

1. Smallville should remain a separate continuity. Keep it around for the people who do like it, but let people who don't care, people who want to see a separate incarnation of Superman, and most of all people who hate Smallville get a different Superman.

Well if you want another incarnation of Superman u always have the animated series and the comics Cause I am against another actor playing the role of Superman, Its one 2 many if u ask me.Also for a person that hates Smallville so much u sure spend a lot of time in a thread involving a Smallville related actor

2. I really hate Smallville. I find Tom Welling and Kristen Kruek to be downright horrible actors, even on the television show. Even my sister who hates Superman and doesn't give a damn about acting abilities, but wanted Tom Welling because he's hot in her eyes, thought that he sucks as an actor. I find the plots to be dumb. I find how Kryptonite is used to be dumb. I hate the soap opera romances. I hate everything about this show except for Michael Rosenbaum.

If you hated so much then just dont bother to watch it or even enter a forum involving it cause it would only make you more mad. I know you find Welling and Kristen as really bad actors but the same thing can be said about Routh and Bosworth in that horrid Superman Movie. You say that your sister is not a Superman Fan and dose not even care but she would just go see the movie because Welling is hot and thats good more money for WB. About the plots of Smallville, well have u picked up a comic book of Superman lately, there are always stupid plots in the comics like a City made of Insects etc etc

I cant believe that u hate how Kryptonite is used cause I belive that the have delivered the best use of Kryptonite ever and they have also brought back the different color Krytonite back to continuity. So Hipe Hunter u hate the soap opera feel of it ? The you must hate Superman Returns cause that was the plot of the whole movie.

Clark Kent teaming up with Bart Allen and Cyborg is incredibly dumb. Not only that there is nothing in Superman Returns that says that Superman is the only hero. In Superman Returns there is a Gotham and there can be a Batman in that Gotham, but there's no way in hell Batman can do anything about that when he has his hands full with Gotham and being a normal man.

Why was that dumn? and If you want to blame some one u can blame DC and WB for that cause they wanted to use the real thing. You know that in Superman Returns he was the only hero cause with the catastrophic even of New Krypton no other heroes appeared and since this is a continuity of Superman I and II you also know that there where no other heroes at that time also.

In my opinion, Justice League should occur after Flash, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman get movies as well, that way a transition can happen much more easily.

There we can agree

No way. The Metropolis of Superman Returns which was rather realistic and had a tone of 1930's New York and current New York fits right along the New York metropolitan area.

Gotham City's tone of Chicago and Kowloon's slums in the Chicago metropolitan area.

The Gotham City of Batman Begins and Metropolis of Superman make sense with the geographical areas of where they're located in and the realistic and stylistic tones they exhibit. The Metropolis in Smallville makes no sense with the geographical area it's in (Kansas in which it's biggest city is about 350,000) and having a Vancouver-esque city in the middle of Kansas makes no sense either.

What I meant was the feel of the City. But in Smallville there is also a Gotham City and the City looks more futuristic and it also fits with the comics.

U can actually see LuthorCorp next to the Daily Planet like in the comics

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well if you want another incarnation of Superman u always have the animated series and the comics Cause I am against another actor playing the role of Superman, Its one 2 many if u ask me.

Of course I want another incarnation of Superman that's why I'm going to watch the sequel to Superman Returns in 2010. That's why I have the comics. That's why I have the DCAU Superman. I have multiple Supermen to entertain me. I don't watch Smallville anymore, I'm not going to start again. I keep away from it because I don't enjoy it and I want it to keep going because there are people who do enjoy it.

Keep the people who want Welling content by letting them have Smallville. Have people like me content by having another actor like Routh or someone else in a future reboot/separate continuity as Superman in the movies. Win-Win situation if you ask me and everyone's happy.

Also for a person that hates Smallville so much u sure spend a lot of time in a thread involving a Smallville related actor

I spend time in other parts of the Hype way more than this thread. I keep going in here because I willingly decided to take part in this debate which is actually very civil a rarity if you ask me in debates such as this.

If you hated so much then just dont bother to watch it or even enter a forum involving it cause it would only make you more mad. I know you find Welling and Kristen as really bad actors but the same thing can be said about Routh and Bosworth in that horrid Superman Movie. You say that your sister is not a Superman Fan and dose not even care but she would just go see the movie because Welling is hot and thats good more money for WB.

Routh is by far a better actor than Welling. Routh is something that got praised in Superman Returns. And Bosworth was simply horribly miscast and is by far a better actor than Kruek, even Welling's a better actor than her.

About the plots of Smallville, well have u picked up a comic book of Superman lately, there are always stupid plots in the comics like a City made of Insects etc etc

Busiek's run on Superman was rather disappointing IMO. It's why I can't wait for Robinson to arrive on the book and I'm heavily enjoying Johns' run.

I cant believe that u hate how Kryptonite is used cause I belive that the have delivered the best use of Kryptonite ever and they have also brought back the different color Krytonite back to continuity.

1. Kryptonite is used horribly in Smallville. Green K turning people into freaks constantly. Red K is completely different in the comics than how it's used stupidly in Smallville.

2. Smallville did not bring the different Kryptonites back into continuity, Johns' and DC's hard on for the Silver Age of comics did.

So Hipe Hunter u hate the soap opera feel of it ? The you must hate Superman Returns cause that was the plot of the whole movie.

By soap opera I mean Lana marrying Lex and pregancy bulls**t. The romance going on in Superman Returns is rather believable because Superman up and left and came back 5 years later. That's going to create a lot of emotional conflict.

Why was that dumn? and If you want to blame some one u can blame DC and WB for that cause they wanted to use the real thing. You know that in Superman Returns he was the only hero cause with the catastrophic even of New Krypton no other heroes appeared and since this is a continuity of Superman I and II you also know that there where no other heroes at that time also.

I find Clark Kent teaming up with heroes that haven't even been born yet to be stupid. If he teams up with someone it should be someone like Bruce Wayne or Barry Allen. Not Teen Titans.

Also with your logic then why didn't other heroes help when Darkseid invaded Earth in STAS? In the comics superheroes have often singlehandedly the world without assistance, even Superman.

And I also account no other heroes because they haven't gotten movies yet.

What I meant was the feel of the City. But in Smallville there is also a Gotham City and the City looks more futuristic and it also fits with the comics.

Your argument was that the Metropolis from Smallville fits with JLA better and perfectly with the Gotham City from Batman Begins.

You do have a point with JLA, it depends on the direction. If they go with a separate continuity, the look, feel, and tone of Metropolis would fit better.

However, fitting in with the Gotham City of Batman Begins is dead wrong. The Metropolis in Smallville is not at all compatable with the Gotham City of Batman Begins. The Metropolis of Smallville has a more futuristic feel that fits in more with the comic book tone which does not at all go with the realistic and gritty tone of Gotham City of Batman Begins, the Metropolis of Superman Returns which is designed more on a realistic city fits better. The Metropolis of Smallville does not make any cultural or geographic sense since it is a Vancouverish futuristic like city in Kansas. It does not fit in with the cultural and geographic sense of Gotham City which is rather Chicagoan and fits within the Chicago metropolitan area, just like Metropolis is more like New York and fits within the New York metropolitian area.

Not only that but there is also a Gotham City in Superman Returns.

U can actually see LuthorCorp next to the Daily Planet like in the comics

There's a Daily Planet like in the comics in Superman Returns

 

[stargazer]

If you hated so much then just dont bother to watch it or even enter a forum involving it cause it would only make you more mad. I know you find Welling and Kristen as really bad actors but the same thing can be said about Routh and Bosworth in that horrid Superman Movie. You say that your sister is not a Superman Fan and dose not even care but she would just go see the movie because Welling is hot and thats good more money for WB.
What I meant was the feel of the City. But in Smallville there is also a Gotham City and the City looks more futuristic and it also fits with the comics.

Brandon is way hotter imo, so, what's your point?

And you just can't compare the Metropolis of Smallville with the Metropolis of SR and the Gotham of BB. Smallville's Metropolis feels and looks like part of a tv show, which it is; Metropolis and Gotham of SR and BB are Cinematic.

Also, the drama in SR is very realistic, serious and mature, just on another level, while the drama in Smallville is well.. it's focus is clearly to please teenagers, it is a teen show with superpowers for the most part. Not my cup of tea, but I watch the show sometimes, like tonight, which is supposed to be a really good epi. Let's see if it delivers.

 

[smsvmos]

Brandon is way hotter imo, so, what's your point?

And you just can't compare the Metropolis of Smallville with the Metropolis of SR and the Gotham of BB. Smallville's Metropolis feels and looks like part of a tv show, which it is; Metropolis and Gotham of SR and BB are Cinematic.

Also, the drama in SR is very realistic, serious and mature, just on another level, while the drama in Smallville is well.. it's focus is clearly to please teenagers, it is a teen show with superpowers for the most part. Not my cup of tea, but I watch the show sometimes, like tonight, which is supposed to be a really good epi. Let's see if it delivers.

LoL I did not say Welling is hot, Hippie Hunter sister did but yea I think Welling is better looking than Routh is

I never got to see that BIg and Fantastic Metropolis in Superman Returns it was a so so city unlike Gotham City .

And I believe that the Metropolis of Smallville is a more complete city. They have even shown Suicide Slumps in Smallville and it also has a SCU and a Maggie Sawyer and Turpin as head of the SCU.

Well the relationship in Superman Returns was one of the big problems of the movie cause we have a Superman that stalks Lois and is a piping tom and not to mention that he tries to brake a relationship and has a bastard child. That alone is good enough reason to trow this movie to the trash. I cant even take my daughter to the next one cause if they make it they might probably kill the child, ala the Angry God comment. I don't know how any Superman fan can like this movie, is just everything that Superman goes against. Yet we have ppl criticizing Smallville for their romance that I dont think is that bad either since in the comics it was always like that also.

 

[smsvmos]

Look at this Metropolis Its Perfect

And now look at Superman Returns Metropolis (LoL) meehhhh

Metropolis is suppose to be a modern looking city with all the new technology at their disposal and not a nice little city

 

[hippie_hunter]

I never got to see that BIg and Fantastic Metropolis in Superman Returns it was a so so city unlike Gotham City.

I personally liked the Superman Returns Metropolis because it presented us a Metropolis that can fit in this world.

Well the relationship in Superman Returns was one of the big problems of the movie cause we have a Superman that stalks Lois and is a piping tom and not to mention that he tries to brake a relationship and has a bastard child. That alone is good enough reason to trow this movie to the trash. I cant even take my daughter to the next one cause if they make it they might probably kill the child, ala the Angry God comment. I don't know how any Superman fan can like this movie, is just everything that Superman goes against. Yet we have ppl criticizing Smallville for their romance that I dont think is that bad either since in the comics it was always like that also.

1. He didn't try to break Lois and Richard's relationship.

2. A stalker repeatedly checks up on someone constantly and in an unhealthy fashion. Superman in Superman Returns only went up to Richard and Lois' house once to see how she moved on.

3. A peeping tom is someone who watches someone get undressed and naked. Superman did no such thing.

4. There was no Lana marrying Lex in the comics. There was no fake pregnancies in the comics. And you don't have Lois falling in love with Green Arrow, Aquaman, Clark, and Grant Gabriel. You don't have Clark and Lana in that wierd relationship either.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Look at this Metropolis Its Perfect

That's a damn good looking Metropolis, but it still doesn't fit in with Batman Begins' Gotham City

 

[The Major]

You are correct and thats because Smallville is not a Superman adaptation. Its a point of view of the life that Superman had before becoming Superman.

Smallville is a Superman adaption by default.

It's basically a different version of Clark Kent's origin before he comes a super-hero. Who just happens to be Superman.

 

[smsvmos]

I personally liked the Superman Returns Metropolis because it presented us a Metropolis that can fit in this world.

1. He didn't try to break Lois and Richard's relationship.

HaHaHa Yes he did He went to the Top of the DP building to chat with her and take her up for a flight and when he was done he tried to kiss her but she backed away

2. A stalker repeatedly checks up on someone constantly and in an unhealthy fashion. Superman in Superman Returns only went up to Richard and Lois' house once to see how she moved on.

He didnt have to go to her house to see how she had move on. He could have seen that in the Daily Planet when he met Richard and the illegitimate son. And that was not the only time he went cause at the end he even went up to the boys room and tuckd him in (Now that I see it that alone is creepy). But remember that in that flight with Lois he let her know where she lived and that he knew that she lived there.

3. A peeping tom is someone who watches someone get undressed and naked. Superman did no such thing.

Well then ok he's some kind of Voyer (LoL)

4. There was no Lana marrying Lex in the comics. There was no fake pregnancies in the comics. And you don't have Lois falling in love with Green Arrow, Aquaman, Clark, and Grant Gabriel. You don't have Clark and Lana in that wierd relationship either.

How do u know? Smallville was never clearly shown in the comics and the life of Lois Lane was never documented before Superman came to Metropolis.

 

[smsvmos]

Smallville is a Superman adaption by default.

It's basically a different version of Clark Kent's origin before he comes a super-hero. Who just happens to be Superman.

You are correct