War is what fuels him, it's irrelevant whenever it's the cold war or the gulf war. It's not the amount of deaths or massacre caused, it's the war between X and Y (and sometimes even more). I don't know how it is in the comics Ares, but the mythological Ares had a reputation of running away, people prayed to him to help their faction win, but it was someone such as Athena who took sides and fought alongside. Ares is just this nasty guy gloating and bragging like he was the king of the world.
I thought it was obvious I was talking about Ares in context of the DCU, not actual mythology. In the DCU, he's always been a little more competent, and he fuels on conflict. Just his whole schtick here didn't make a lick of sense.
Diana is the protagonist of the story and they need her more than ever before, they got screwed over by Nemesis and set Diana on an Odyssey that would make her more powerful and emotionally rich, do you really think you would have preferred if Zeus just started barking orders and acting like a total dick when he is nothing more than a mere shadow of himself?
Well, to be fair, I did say it probably made some sense considering the context you just provided. And to be more fair, I never said anything about Zeus wanting to do anything you described. I was talking about his whole speech about how much the Gods needed humanity and yadda yadda. I remember in Rucka's run, Zeus was pretty clueless to that fact when Hera was lecturing him about it, and even though some of the other Gods seemed aware of the fact, they saw it more as an ends to a means than an actual relationship between the two.
It's not that the Amazons can't produce love, it's the human love that empowers her to match Nemesis, it's her loving the humans and being loved by humans. Superman loves humans and is loved by humans, he's spent his entire childhood and adult life in Earth, wheres Diana spent, how many years in Themyscira? She loves earth, but what JMS is weaving here is that her being with the humans since childhood is what empowers her, we see her fight as a little girl againts a mean ol' dad, we see her getting money for a single mother who needs help, basicly JMS made Wonder Woman into a more human (or should i say Superman?) kinda way, she now has more humanity thru all these years of good doing, now granted abit more examples then the single mother and her hitting that father as a child could have been maybe nice, or maybe it's the monthly format here is that makes us forget all these amazing details, or maybe we're not just looking into the book as we look at a Morrison book.
No, I'm completely aware of all of this, but there's just one huge problem with the logic here: It's grade a, certified bull****. I mean, really, there's no other nice way to say it or anything, it's just flat out ********.
Where does this idea come that Wonder Woman doesn't love humanity? Of course, she loves humanity. Why the hell else would she just trying to save ****ing humanity when she can? Her whole mission has been to try and stop humanity from destroying itself, is this not a love of humanity? It's the entire goddamn point of
the character and the concept behind her.
I mean, really, where does this come from? I really have to know, because it seems to me like the whole idea of Wonder Woman's lack of love just came racing out of someone's ass, just like the idea that being made from clay made her less biologically human, when that's just...stupid.
And while we're here, why can't she can't get human love from the Amazons to begin with? The Amazons aren't pigeons; they are humans.
It's Diana's humanity vs. Nemesis' inhumanity. Nemesis is a God gone mad, and you gotta remember that Nemesis is the god of divine retribution, she is there to murder rapists, tyrants, war mongrels and so on, but she's gone mad so, "all must be purged under the righteous fire!" So thats the main idea here, it's Diana empowered by love fightning a "Diana" empowered by human cruelty. The polar opposites of each other, the ying and yang, the Batman and the Joker. Love, Compassion and Hope versus Cruelty of human nature.
Okay, but I don't really see how this has to do with the rest of what we're talking about here...?
I'd say JMS has a good knowledge on Greek mythology and the themes that weave this story, but with all the grim murders that Diana has endured and too few scenes of her being happy with humans and just loving it, i think that makes people miss the point, it goes to show that "show, don't tell" would have worked better, like more scenes with people like the single mother and whatnot, more examples of Diana since her youth helping people and loving humans, that would show why she is the champion and why she has to take down her polar opposite.
I never said JMS didn't have good knowledge of mythology or how to weave a story. What I was talking about is lack of knowledge about the actual character and history.
You seem to be under the impression here that I somehow don't understand what JMS is doing with this story. I do understand; it's what he's doing that I'm directly disputing. Because...well, it's ****ing wrong. Not only is it totally off the mark, but it's just flat out disrespectful to the material. And, no, it's not disrespectful because it's a new direction; it's disrespectful because it's just pissing all over the concept of the character. Trying to form this idea that a character couldn't have human love when the entire basis is that she grew up in a loving society and is actively trying to spread that to the entire world is beyond ridiculous.
You brought up Superman earlier, and really, this is exactly when people try to argue that Superman is less human because he's so powerful. That's just such a basic misunderstanding of the character, and worse, it's an understanding based on the lack of willingness to really understand a character. But ****, at least those guy have some superficial reason to subscribe to that nonsense. With this, with the Wonder lack-of-love Woman, it's like there's no basis I can see where this **** comes from. I simply do not get it. Is it just a prejudice that we all have on outsider characters? Is the fact that she's an outsider to Man's World, so we have to attach dehumanizing traits to her or...something. I mean, really, this is a legit question here, because I don't ****ing get it.
I mean, really, this to me is exactly what happened in the mod-era Wonder Woman. When O'Neil came in a tried to make her more relevant and more modern to the women empowerment movements of the time by taking away her power and uniqueness. O'Neil has apologized for that several times, and frankly, he should. Not that those stories were all that bad, but it was such a horrible thing to do with the character, and not just that, but the very concept of the character. For a few years, they managed to do what none of Marston's bizarre ass villains could do: Take away Wonder Woman's power. And this, trying to humanize a character with love with a character that's whole basis is in love and hope? Yeah, I'm
sure not seeing the flaw in that.
Now, hopefully, the next few issues will kind of remedy this, turn it on its head if you will, but even if it doesn't, it won't matter. Because I know eventually what'll happen is what happened when they put her in a mod uniform or the first time she was an urban crimefighter and all that. She'll be back to the star spangled panties fighting for some kind of love or hope of love, because that's what the character is. She'll still probably be handled by a bunch of people who doesn't respect the history or character and are looking for more ways to magically reinvent her so the GA will buy her like the Golden Age or early Perez years or what have you, but the concept will survive, and this kind of stuff will be looked back on like most of the others, with raised brows, scoffs and questions of 'Did they really try to do that?'
