The Rank and Rate Man of Steel thread

[BH/HHH]

I loved Cavill as Superman. If there was any issue with any casting for me it was Adams. Not that she sucked, I just didn't buy her as Lane is all.

Wow I'm shocked at this, she was amazing in my opinion. It really does feel like some if us watched a different movie.

 

[cin0]

I didnt really like her either, I didnt dislike her its just she didnt play the role the way Im used to seeing lois as a woman with a little more attitude who doesnt take bs from anybody. She had that one line in the beginning of the movie but other than that there was nt really much else. The movie was a little darker than expected but other than it was great 9/10, as a matter of fact the darker tone made it seem more real.

 

[blumatic]

Wow I'm shocked at this, she was amazing in my opinion. It really does feel like some if us watched a different movie.

I thought she was good too. But its seems Nolan movies has difficulty casting women.

 

[davejames]

Now as far as SR, I seen it at the theater back in June of 06 and never cared to go back. I felt so depressed after that movie that I waited until 2011 to purchase it on BluRay. And after trying to sit through it, I understood why it took me so long to purchase it. SR has to be one of the most boring movies I've ever sat through, it's as simple as that. The reason for me actually giving the BluRay a pass was because of the special features and making of the movie. As for now SR simply sits as a collectors piece in my theater library.

Well I was really digging the poetic tone and nostalgic feel of SR the first time I saw it, but unfortunately that's not really enough to carry you through multiple viewings-- and eventually it becomes more and more apparent how little action there is and how frustratingly small in scope the movie is.

MOS, on the other hand, just has SO many cool things in it, and is so epic and moves so fast, that I can't imagine it ever getting boring to watch.

 

[Doc Samson]

I didnt really like her either, I didnt dislike her its just she didnt play the role the way Im used to seeing lois as a woman with a little more attitude who doesnt take bs from anybody. She had that one line in the beginning of the movie but other than that there was nt really much else. The movie was a little darker than expected but other than it was great 9/10, as a matter of fact the darker tone made it seem more real.

I actually thought she showed plenty attitude. Besides the scene you're talking about during her introduction, she wanders off after being told to stay in her "room" to track Clark to the ship. She goes off on her own again, disobeying Perry to get her story out, & slams back straight liquor at the bar while discussing it with the blogger. And she had no problem walking onto an Alien ship she almost got killed from, showing up at the Kent's farm, etc.

I didn't think she had a bunch of chemistry with Henry though. I always say in these kind of movies, chemistry is more important than a female's acting chops. I just didn't feel any spark, and their shotgun romance didn't help sell it either, it's the only pacing issue I have with the movie. I think she would've been better served being saved for the sequel when he's working at the Daily Planet.

 

[blumatic]

I actually thought she showed plenty attitude. Besides the scene you're talking about during her introduction, she wanders off after being told to stay in her "room" to track Clark to the ship. She goes off on her own again, disobeying Perry to get her story out, & slams back straight liquor at the bar while discussing it with the blogger. And she had no problem walking onto an Alien ship she almost got killed from, showing up at the Kent's farm, etc.

I didn't think she had a bunch of chemistry with Henry though. I always say in these kind of movies, chemistry is more important than a female's acting chops. I just didn't feel any spark, and their shotgun romance didn't help sell it either.

I didnt expect any spark from them as the film progressed. I just loved the fact that Lois was so involved in Superman's mission to save the world. She knows a lot about him now. So there is an authentic bind they can grow into a true relationship as opposed to being smitten with each other. But that kiss in the end was forced.

But it is not as bad as Bruce Wayne's and Rachel Dawes kiss in TDK. Bruce had one hand in his pocket and Rachel had both of of her arms still folded. It was like watch siblings being forced to make out. It was the worst thing.

 

[marcvader]

I actually thought she showed plenty attitude. Besides the scene you're talking about during her introduction, she wanders off after being told to stay in her "room" to track Clark to the ship. She goes off on her own again, disobeying Perry to get her story out, & slams back straight liquor at the bar while discussing it with the blogger. And she had no problem walking onto an Alien ship she almost got killed from, showing up at the Kent's farm, etc.

I didn't think she had a bunch of chemistry with Henry though. I always say in these kind of movies, chemistry is more important than a female's acting chops. I just didn't feel any spark, and their shotgun romance didn't help sell it either.

You hit the nail on the head in regards to how I feel about Adams as Lois.

 

[Doc Samson]

I didnt expect any spark from them as the film progressed. I just loved the fact that Lois was so involved in Superman's mission to save the world. She knows a lot about him now. So there is an authentic bind they can grow into a true relationship as opposed to being smitten with each other. But that kiss in the end was forced.

But it is not as bad as Bruce Wayne's and Rachel Dawes kiss in TDK. Bruce had one hand in his pocket and Rachel had both of of her arms still folded. It was like watch siblings being forced to make out. It was the worst thing.

Lol, yeah I never felt any chemistry between Bale and Maggie, and it goes back to what I was saying, sometimes in a female lead role in a comic film, chemistry is more important than accolades. I thought Bale & Katie were much more believable and heartfelt, even though people hated her.

I do think the sequel will be much better in terms of fleshing everyone out though, especially Lois & Clark's relationship. This movie was strictly about Superman and his father figures, the next one will have more room to touch on other things.

 

[davejames]

I didnt expect any spark from them as the film progressed. I just loved the fact that Lois was so involved in Superman's mission to save the world. She knows a lot about him now. So there is an authentic bind they can grow into a true relationship as opposed to being smitten with each other. But that kiss in the end was forced.

It was a bit forced, but I didn't see this as them falling madly in love and flying off into the sunset together or anything.

It was just a kiss in the heat of the moment, after having gone through a huge ordeal together and because they felt some kind of connection with each other. It's like one of those typical scenes at the end of an action movie where the guy kisses the girl, like Indy kissing Willie in Temple of Doom.

I don't think we're meant to make that much of it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I am curious: could you cite some scenes where Cavill came off as wooden? About half the critics who gave negative reviews to the film cited something similar. But the rest seem to believe that didn't happen at all. I tend to agree with the latter, but I feel you probably have some specific scenes you can talk about Cavill's acting. I kind of want to discuss where this judgement is coming from.

Like when he's talking about Pa Kent or when he's talking to Jor-El on the ship and basically throughout the entire film when he isn't yelling he's just got this same bored monotone delivery. His performance isn't matching the words coming out of him much of the time. And I thought he was positively awful in the final scene at the Daily Planet. He doesn't even try to hide his identity. Compare that Christopher Reeve who completely transforms when he puts on the glasses. Voice, appearance, everything. Reeve's scene in the first Superman film in Lois Lane's apartment when he swaps back and forth between the two is one of the best acted scenes of any superhero film and here I couldn't by it at all.

I watched Superman: The Movie again before watching this and maybe it was a mistake because it made the decline in quality pretty much across the board that much more noticeable.

I find some of the other comments here about the acting interesting, because the three performances that I thought were better in this go around were the ones that seem to be getting the most criticism, namely the three main women, Lois, Martha, and Lara. In particular, this was the first time in really any iteration that I actually liked Lois. One of my number one pet peeves in cinema (or television or literature) is the dumb character who is supposed to be smart and that's what she is most of the time. This Lois was actually intelligent, tough, and resourceful for once and I bought it. Bosworth was completely underqualified for the role she was playing the last film, and while Kidder did the job and was energetic I also got the sense that her Lois had a few loose screws if you catch my drift.

Shannon was fine, but didn't leave much of an impression on me. He was certainly no Terence Stamp.

Crowe and Costner give the films best performances, but I can't really say that either were better than their counterparts in the Donner film. I'll need to see it again to get a better idea of where Costner compares with Ford, but as good as Crowe was, Brando gave one of my favorite performances ever in the original stealing every scene he was in which Crowe doesn't quite do here.

 

[113]

Most people, including myself, who have seen the film for a second time leave actually like the film more.

I think that means it will have good legs and WoM. It's always a good sign when a movie gets better with more viewings instead of worse. Like for me (and I don't want to turn this into a flame war) but for me personally Avengers gets worse over time, with more viewings. I don't think that movie will hold up over time. Even TDKR gets worse with more viewings imho.

On the flip side movies like Iron Man 1, and my personal favorite CBM of all time Batman Begins, seem to get better as they age.

 

[blumatic]

Like when he's talking about Pa Kent or when he's talking to Jor-El on the ship and basically throughout the entire film when he isn't yelling he's just got this same bored monotone delivery. His performance isn't matching the words coming out of him much of the time. And I thought he was positively awful in the final scene at the Daily Planet. He doesn't even try to hide his identity. Compare that Christopher Reeve who completely transforms when he puts on the glasses. Voice, appearance, everything. Reeve's scene in the first Superman film in Lois Lane's apartment when he swaps back and forth between the two is one of the best acted scenes of any superhero film and here I couldn't by it at all.

I watched Superman: The Movie again before watching this and maybe it was a mistake because it made the decline in quality pretty much across the board that much more noticeable.

I find some of the other comments here about the acting interesting, because the three performances that I thought were better in this go around were the ones that seem to be getting the most criticism, namely the three main women, Lois, Martha, and Lara. In particular, this was the first time in really any iteration that I actually liked Lois. One of my number one pet peeves in cinema (or television or literature) is the dumb character who is supposed to be smart and that's what she is most of the time. This Lois was actually intelligent, tough, and resourceful for once and I bought it. Bosworth was completely underqualified for the role she was playing the last film, and while Kidder did the job and was energetic I also got the sense that her Lois had a few loose screws if you catch my drift.

Shannon was fine, but didn't leave much of an impression on me. He was certainly no Terence Stamp.

Crowe and Costner give the films best performances, but I can't really say that either were better than their counterparts in the Donner film. I'll need to see it again to get a better idea of where Costner compares with Ford, but as good as Crowe was, Brando gave one of my favorite performances ever in the original stealing every scene he was in which Crowe doesn't quite do here.

Well regarding that Daily Planet scene, I dont think they are going for the bumbling Clark. In the recent comics and even cartoons, Clark is not too bumbling. And I dont think its fair to compare Cavill's DP Clark to Reeve's because Reeve had a whole film to do it.

Number 2, Cavill's Superman was in a state of reflection mostly threw the first half of the film. He was a lost soul. When he finds himself he is a little different.

The Superman Movie was very Broadway. Very stage acting. There is a bit of an exageration in their acting. In today's film they are more contemporary. They play it cool. They play it regular - much like the recent comics and cartoons.

I see you prefer a certain Superman. And thats cool. But I dont think Cavill's Wooden.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

There are lots of people whose opinions who loved Cavill even if they disliked the rest of the film. But I can only talk about how I felt. I thought he was the weak link in the cast. It isn't really that it is a different style of acting that is used in this film, because it only affects Cavill and not his castmates.

 

[cin0]

I actually thought she showed plenty attitude. Besides the scene you're talking about during her introduction, she wanders off after being told to stay in her "room" to track Clark to the ship. She goes off on her own again, disobeying Perry to get her story out, & slams back straight liquor at the bar while discussing it with the blogger. And she had no problem walking onto an Alien ship she almost got killed from, showing up at the Kent's farm, etc.

I didn't think she had a bunch of chemistry with Henry though. I always say in these kind of movies, chemistry is more important than a female's acting chops. I just didn't feel any spark, and their shotgun romance didn't help sell it either, it's the only pacing issue I have with the movie. I think she would've been better served being saved for the sequel when he's working at the Daily Planet.

Yea, but all that stuff is just being hardheaded and stubborn it doesnt really show us about how strong a woman she really is. That being said it doesnt really matter, she did do a great job and they can always display more of that in the second movie assuming they're making one.

I thought they were fine together I just didnt understand where they fell for each other and how. They revealed his identity to her right off the bat, she learns pretty much his life story but he knows next to nothing about her other than she's a very nosy reporter, maybe I missed something but what caused his attraction to her?

 

[Doc Samson]

Yea, but all that stuff is just being hardheaded and stubborn it doesnt really show us about how strong a woman she really is. That being said it doesnt really matter, she did do a great job and they can always display more of that in the second movie assuming they're making one.

I thought they were fine together I just didnt understand where they fell for each other and how. They revealed his identity to her right off the bat, she learns pretty much his life story but he knows next to nothing about her other than she's a very nosy reporter, maybe I missed something but what caused his attraction to her?

I get what you mean, I guess we're getting caught up in semantics a bit, but you said that you didn't think she came off as a woman who doesn't take bs from anybody. IMO, those things I stated showed that she didn't take bs from anybody, even if that also makes her stubborn and hardheaded. Naturally, I don't think those type of people lend themselves to be taken advantage of or cowardice.

But I certainly agree on the romance, which is why I feel if she needed to be included in this film, then she definitely didn't need to kiss or be smitten with him so quickly. It reminds me of Thor and how quickly that "love" flourished, and it was also my main complaint with that movie. I do have full confidence though, that with Clark at the DP, their chemistry and the pacing of it, will be much better...

 

[TheForgotten]

I gave it a 7. It wasn't fantastic or terrible for me, just somewhere in the middle.

I don't think it cracks my top superhero films, and as of the 8 movies I've seen so far this year, it's #6: Ahead of The Purge but behind The Great Gatsby.

 

[Human Torch]

Saw it last night.I had much the same problem with this film as I did with TASM.The tone seemed much too "somber" for a Superman film.There's very little sense of the exhilaration that should come with being Superman.And much like TASM,I pretty much knew what to expect,since the trailers delivered everything that I expected with little surprises.

Cavill carried it off extremely well.We really didn't get to see his "Clark" cover,so it's tough to give him an overall grade,but I thought he did a great job.The "Clark wandering" scenes seemed kinda aimless.Was he looking for answers,or just trying to get himself lost?

Amy Adams was great as Lois.I didn't like that she knew the whole story from the beginning,but again,I knew that was coming,so no sense beating a dead horse.

The action was great.I enjoyed all the fight scenes,but I admit I was missing some scenes of Supes actually saving people amid all the destruction.Superman Returns was all saving/no fighting.MOS is the reverse in extreme.

I feel the military had too much of a presence in the film.It's understandable,but I felt it was too intrusive.

I'll give it a generous 7/10.I gave TASM 6/10,but I enjoyed the cast much more in MoS,which will earn it an extra point.(Ironically,I think TASM may have had a more engaging story in comparison.)

 

[cin0]

I get what you mean, I guess we're getting caught up in semantics a bit, but you said that you didn't think she came off as a woman who doesn't take bs from anybody. IMO, those things I stated showed that she didn't take bs from anybody, even if that also makes her stubborn and hardheaded. Naturally, I don't think those type of people lend themselves to be taken advantage of or cowardice.

But I certainly agree on the romance, which is why I feel if she needed to be included in this film, then she definitely didn't need to kiss or be smitten with him so quickly. It reminds me of Thor and how quickly that "love" flourished, and it was also my main complaint with that movie. I do have full confidence though, that with Clark at the DP, their chemistry and the pacing of it, will be much better...

Yea, I already cant wait for the second movie. I know they'll probably make it a point to focus a bit more on their relationship since they'll be working together so closely.

 

[shallbecomeabat]

Saw the movie a few hours ago, sinc eit only released in my country.
Wow. What great Superman movie! I am in the same spot as last year with TDKR... I absolutely love the movie and see not one big problem with it. Sure, I could nitpick a bit, but all in all... Just wow! Loved it! Don't get how a fan of the character could not love it. The "controversial" scene was among the best things I have ever seen in a superhero movie and it worked so well (this is coming from a BIG TIME Superman fan, since more than 20 years)! I also loved that it had a similar tone to the Nolan Batmans, since I actually want those stories to be taken seriously. Don't need the jokey Marvel style.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Didn't give my grade, but I guess I'll do it now. 10/10 And I would rank it currently among my top 5 favorite CBMs of all time. t:

 

[kalhawj]

Best CBM ever. Henry is the star of this movie. He really sold it to me that he is Superman. I don't ever recall seeing Superman with so much pain and loniless. The pain to hide his power from the world and the pain of losing his father to protect him. You see it all in Henry's acting. Physically no question that he is the most amp Superman. everything about him is Superman. Finally we can move on from the past and move forward with our new Superman. Amazing movie 9.5/10.

 

[BH/HHH]

Saw the movie a few hours ago, sinc eit only released in my country.
Wow. What great Superman movie! I am in the same spot as last year with TDKR... I absolutely love the movie and see not one big problem with it. Sure, I could nitpick a bit, but all in all... Just wow! Loved it! Don't get how a fan of the character could not love it. The "controversial" scene was among the best things I have ever seen in a superhero movie and it worked so well (this is coming from a BIG TIME Superman fan, since more than 20 years)! I also loved that it had a similar tone to the Nolan Batmans, since I actually want those stories to be taken seriously. Don't need the jokey Marvel style.

well I like the Marvel films but agree with what you said.

You know more I think of it I think this film had the best ending of any CBM ever, it ended on such an uplifting note with the scenes where Superman smashed up the drone and Clark walked into the DP.

 

[DMC40]

Wow I'm shocked at this, she was amazing in my opinion. It really does feel like some if us watched a different movie.

Same here I enjoyed her performance. Not getting the hate for this movie and the performances.

 

[BH/HHH]

Same here I enjoyed her performance. Not getting the hate for this movie and the performances.

agreed

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I loved Adams in the film and I cannot to see the relationship between Lois and Clark grow in the sequel.