The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - Part 11

[Venom 1988]

Didnt Marvel also get thr animated rights back too? Which is why SSM ended?

Yeah but that was back in 2009 prior to being bought by Disney.

 

[Zarex]

Sony sold their half of the Spider-man film merchandise rights back to Marvel around 2011 for cash during one of Sony's many attempts to get back in the black. If I remember a few months back Sony admitted that it was a mistake, trading a long-term cash flow for a short-term cash injection. And yeah it was a mistake, Marvel made more from the ASM2 merchandising than Sony made from the film itself. Its been estimated that over $1 Billion worth of Spider-Man merchandise are sold every year which is more that Batman and Superman combined.

I believe Sony's share of the Spider-man LP was 25% at the time of the sale. And the thing to keep in mind is while Disney sells over $1 billion in Spidey branded merchandise annually, only about a tenth of that comes back to Disney Consumer Products in licensing fees. $100M or so annually is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but it's not quite the windfall some folks suspect.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Doctor Doom By Gallagher

Mouth watering.

 

[Art Freak]

Really no offense meant but I wish we had a sticky thread with all these bullet points. I feel like I've read this exact conversation thirty times regarding where rights lie. Regurgitation after regurgitation and then a new guy comes in and it's repeated again. Only like a game of telelephone, a specific gets forgotten or slightly changed only to have the others join in and repeat everything again. Years and years of this, fellas.

 

[InCali]

Really no offense meant but I wish we had a sticky thread with all these bullet points. I feel like I've read this exact conversation thirty times regarding where rights lie. Regurgitation after regurgitation and then a new guy comes in and it's repeated again. Only like a game of telelephone, a specific gets forgotten or slightly changed only to have the others join in and repeat everything again. Years and years of this, fellas.

I was pointing out that there seemed to be a conflict in what was being said, but a sticky would be cool.

 

[Gabe99]

COLLIDER JULY 22, 2017:

Spoiler

‘Captain Marvel’ to Take Place in the 1990s; Villains Will Be the Skrulls

Screen Rant 07.24.2017:
Spider-Man: Homecoming’s Success Proves Fox Needs To Work With Marvel on Fantastic Four


Screen Rant 07.27.2017:
Marvel Developing RPG Game With 20th Century Fox

20th Century-Fox owned Aftershock game studio announces that they are working together with Marvel to develop a new role-playing-game.

 

[First Avenger]

I don't get this

Fox and Marvel working together on TV,games but NOT movies? WTF

 

[ADollarADay]

I don't get this

Fox and Marvel working together on TV,games but NOT movies? WTF

You don't understand how much Marvel really wanted Ego's movie rights exclusively and not shareable.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Just tweeted him the Hulk vs Thing image. It doesn't matter but whatever.

You the real MVP brother!

 

[Stark Bauer]

I just watched this video regarding why Valerian failed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CcEYRfxUOQ

one of the comments reminded me of why a FF spin off featuring Franklin and Valeria? would likewise fail

The biggest problem with this whole movie was the dynamic between the two leading actors. If you kept the girl but had an older more established male actor you could of had The 5th Element II.

With both of these young actors the movie felt like a spy kids movie in space. It just felt like underage kids pretending to be international agents.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I just watched this video regarding why Valerian failed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CcEYRfxUOQ

one of the comments reminded me of why a FF spin off featuring Franklin and Valeria? would likewise fail

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

One positive of the Doom film is I think it killed the Franklin/Valeria idea.

Nobody wants the Spy Kids version, but a few people would like to see Doom, so now if they try to push forward with the Franklin/Valeria film it will be even a bigger let-down.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could combine their ideas and just make a movie with Doom accompanied by Franklin and Valeria.

It could be like this episode of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe:

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[Willie Lumpkin]

They could combine their ideas and just make a movie with Doom accompanied by Franklin and Valeria.

It could be like this episode of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe:

 

[First Avenger]

Every once in a while Marvel remembers F4 exist.

https://youtu.be/G7aVhH0FXfM

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Every once in a while Marvel remembers F4 exist.

https://youtu.be/G7aVhH0FXfM

Maybe by the time they have the FF rights, they'll forget about the Inhumans TV show and reboot them properly with the FF.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Honestly most of us here and everywhere know how awesome the Fantastic Four are.

It just seems like the only people that don't are FOX.

 

[ADollarADay]

First FF video I have seen on Marvel's youtube channel (only other one related to the franchise was that SS Marvel 101 vid). Probably the first one in many years. They also recommended viewers to read the original FF comics. If it wasn't for Hawley pretty much announcing Dr. Doom, the rumored kid's movie reboot, and if I believed in conspiracy theories, I would be excited.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If it wasn't for Hawley pretty much announcing Dr. Doom, the rumored kid's movie reboot, and if I believed in conspiracy theories, I would be excited.

But think about that. The fact that we've heard about both projects shows the lack of seriousness. These projects are like brainstorming sessions where participants throw everything against the wall and see what sticks. And if the folks at Fox have the ability to read the tea-leaves social media provides, they should know by now that neither of those ideas are sticking.

If they're talking about something completely different two years from now, I'll start to get a little worried. But I have a feeling that within two years, Marvel will have full or partial control of the rights.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

And this video, and the joint Fox/Marvel TV shows and the video games etc. etc. illustrate that it's not 2014 anymore.

Feige may claim there's no "thawing" because as he explains, they've always had a good relationship (I'm moving a loosely-closed fist in a rhythmic motion right now that you can't see because this is the internet), but with the Sony deal and all these other little things, the Marvel-film world is becoming a more sane place.

And if sanity rules, Fox and Marvel will work something out that is to their mutual benefit soon.

 

[First Avenger]

Maybe by the time they have the FF rights, they'll forget about the Inhumans TV show and reboot them properly with the FF.

Oh Feige would jump on that ship immediately and it would be glorious.

 

[InCali]

Maybe by the time they have the FF rights, they'll forget about the Inhumans TV show and reboot them properly with the FF.

That would be a dream come true. When Marvel first announced The Inhumans movie, my first thought was FF and Inhumans. I have the comics from when they were introduced and they are among my favs. I also liked it when DD teamed up with them. That was pretty awesome too.

One thing. Didn't Kang show up in Avengers (#8) before the FF? If so, how come Fox has him? Just part of the deal?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That would be a dream come true. When Marvel first announced The Inhumans movie, my first thought was FF and Inhumans. I have the comics from when they were introduced and they are among my favs. I also liked it when DD teamed up with them. That was pretty awesome too.

Perhaps that's a silver lining to the disappointing-looking series.

One thing. Didn't Kang show up in Avengers (#8) before the FF? If so, how come Fox has him? Just part of the deal?

At some point (and I'm sure this was not intended from the start but rather an idea some writers came up with as they went - others might know more details), it was revealed that Kang - with his time traveling - was Nathaniel Richards (Reed's father) and also Rama Tut (an early FF villain whose first appearance predated Kang in Avengers). So that's the FF connection.

But probably more importantly, The FF rights package was probably considered to be the cosmic/science-fiction property (and since most major Avengers characters were probably considered to be more valuable as individual characters to sell to different studios, Marvel probably figured an Avengers film would never happen at the time they were licensing rights).

 

[InCali]

Perhaps that's a silver lining to the disappointing-looking series.



At some point (and I'm sure this was not intended from the start but rather an idea some writers came up with as they went - others might know more details), it was revealed that Kang - with his time traveling - was Nathaniel Richards (Reed's father) and also Rama Tut (an early FF villain whose first appearance predated Kang in Avengers). So that's the FF connection.

But probably more importantly, The FF rights package was probably considered to be the cosmic/science-fiction property (and since most major Avengers characters were probably considered to be more valuable as individual characters to sell to different studios, Marvel probably figured an Avengers film would never happen at the time they were licensing rights).

Yeah. I remember the Rama Tut - Kang connection and had forgotten about his FF appearance. Thanks for that.

 

[wobbly]

That would be a dream come true. When Marvel first announced The Inhumans movie, my first thought was FF and Inhumans. I have the comics from when they were introduced and they are among my favs. I also liked it when DD teamed up with them. That was pretty awesome too.

One thing. Didn't Kang show up in Avengers (#8) before the FF? If so, how come Fox has him? Just part of the deal?

Technically, thanks to the power of retcon, his first appearance was as Rama Tut in FF 19, published October 1963, the year before Kang debuted in Avengers.

His history is a bit all over the place but afaik it remains that Nathaniel Richards (his real name) is from a distant alternative future and is a descendant of Reeds father (named the same) who spent time in that alternative reality (but in the present day) and fathered another child there, establishing Kangs ancestral connection.

When he first travelled back in time he assumed the Rama Tut identity, and became Kang after trying to return to his future.

Then there's Immortus, who confuses it all the more.