The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - Part 11

[Zarex]

Are they wrong? Fox has a **** ton of houses that would work under Disney. Blue Sky, Dreamworks, etc.

Dreamworks Animation films were distributed by FOX, but not owned by the Murdochs. The studio was purchased by Comcast last year.

 

[regnak]

They would never do that.

Why not, it has to be cheaper than what they lost last time.

 

[Zant]

Marvel does not have the guts to cancel the xmen books . I dare them LoL. They have no other choice but to keep feeding Fox story-line ideas (like Old man Logan e.c.t) by making more Xmen/Deadpool comics books.

I applaud John Hickman's honesty. Marvel won't be too happy with him exposing them like that.

 

[The Infernal]

The whole cancelling FF to screw with Fox was obvious, but they lied anyway to save face. X-men may not get cancelled, but much of their storytelling must be influenced by that sour relationship.

 

[Zarex]

Marvel does not have the guts to cancel the xmen books . I dare them LoL. They have no other choice but to keep feeding Fox story-line ideas (like Old man Logan e.c.t) by making more Xmen/Deadpool comics books.

I applaud John Hickman's honesty. Marvel won't be too happy with him exposing them like that.

Try reading a Disney Annual financial report. Comic book sales are a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the Mouse's annual income. They could cancel the entire comic line tomorrow and it would have virtually no impact on the company stock. LOL.

I'm sad that it has come to this, the FF with a studio that doesn't care about them and the formerly mighty X-Men reduced to a B-Level franchise with a rookie director working on a sequel to a poorly reviewed underperforming film, no animated shows, no appearances in console games, no movie tie in products and virtually missing from all other merchandise. I'd prefer the two sides come to an arrangement that works for fans of both franchises.

 

[terry78]

That is a disservice to Stan Lee as far as I'm concerned. An insult to his work.

 

[Zarex]

They should prove me wrong and cancel the xmen comics then..... They are too scared to cancel the xmen books cause of the backlash, and their apparent replacements (Inhumans ) are not doing so good.

Marvel can force the xbooks writers to stop creating new mutants, but that's enough. They are going to have to make the x-comics as dull and boring as possible, cause locations, themes and general storyline ideas and situations will belong to FOX if they keep making X-comics. They really are in an awkward situation, Marvel.

It's an awkward situation for all involved, no question. But Marvel's certainly made the best of a bad situation. Who would have ever thought that Thor and Black Panther solo features would be much more highly anticipated than a Dark Phoenix X-Men film? And Guardians would be a much more popular team-up franchise than the mutants? It's crazy what Feige and company have been able to accomplish.

 

[Crimz]

The article makes me a bit hopeful. While they are not saying anything we don't already know, they are bringing more attention to the situation. Also, seeing as they work in the comicbook industry there is bit more of an air of authenticity. So more people are calling out both FOX and Marvel over this, and that is only a good thing.

All we need is the right person at FOX to doubt they can profit from the franchise, and the right person at MarvelDisney to believe the FF can make money under them. More people saying "sell the rights back!" or "we will only watch a Marvel FF" the more likely they are to pay attention. So I want more people calling them out and more websites making articles like this.

 

[Zant]

It's an awkward situation for all involved, no question. But Marvel's certainly made the best of a bad situation. Who would have ever thought that Thor and Black Panther solo features would be much more highly anticipated than a Dark Phoenix X-Men film? And Guardians would be a much more popular team-up franchise than the mutants? It's crazy what Feige and company have been able to accomplish.

Yup, Marvel has certainly made the best of the situation,even getting some extra change by teaming up with FOX for Xmens shows.

Marvel comics are toxic these days anyways and needs a clear out, so maybe its not all bad for the FF.

 

[First Avenger]

The article makes me a bit hopeful. While they are not saying anything we don't already know, they are bringing more attention to the situation. Also, seeing as they work in the comicbook industry there is bit more of an air of authenticity. So more people are calling out both FOX and Marvel over this, and that is only a good thing.

All we need is the right person at FOX to doubt they can profit from the franchise, and the right person at MarvelDisney to believe the FF can make money under them. More people saying "sell the rights back!" or "we will only watch a Marvel FF" the more likely they are to pay attention. So I want more people calling them out and more websites making articles like this.

At this point anyone who is not anti-MCU wants some kind of deal,outside of Feige and Fox it seems.

 

[Vader's Fist]

Just saw this where apparently Gunn is mapping out the cosmic side of the MCU Post-Phase 3 along with Feige:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-gunn-guardians-3-marvels-cosmic-plans-1027046

In regards to the Fox owned properties, I don't think Marvel have plans to approach them about any kind of deal just yet. With all their current focus being on Avengers 3 and 4, they don't need either the Fantastic Four or the X-Men right now, but they will eventually. There's only so long you can survive without those characters, especially the Mutant side of things which, arguably, is an even bigger part of the Marvel Canon than Reed and Co. To that end, expect them to start talking with Fox at some point after Phase 3.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Just saw this where apparently Gunn is mapping out the cosmic side of the MCU Post-Phase 3 along with Feige:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-gunn-guardians-3-marvels-cosmic-plans-1027046

In regards to the Fox owned properties, I don't think Marvel have plans to approach them about any kind of deal just yet. With all their current focus being on Avengers 3 and 4, they don't need either the Fantastic Four or the X-Men right now, but they will eventually. There's only so long you can survive without those characters, especially the Mutant side of things which, arguably, is an even bigger part of the Marvel Canon than Reed and Co. To that end, expect them to start talking with Fox at some point after Phase 3.

Realistically, despite our impatience, the chances are better than not that Fox won't do anything and the rights will revert in 2022. And that's not very far away in film-making time.

If Fox starts seriously working on something (and they've got to do a LOT more than they're currently doing to convince Marvel they're seriously working on something) Marvel will probably have to decide how much the rights are worth to them.

But Marvel has enough to keep them busy for the next five years, so there's no solid business reason for them to act before then - unless Fox does more than they're currently doing.

And there's almost no doubt in my mind that recent talk has been designed to convince Marvel they're moving forward... even though they're not serious.

 

[Zant]

Just saw this where apparently Gunn is mapping out the cosmic side of the MCU Post-Phase 3 along with Feige:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-gunn-guardians-3-marvels-cosmic-plans-1027046

In regards to the Fox owned properties, I don't think Marvel have plans to approach them about any kind of deal just yet. With all their current focus being on Avengers 3 and 4, they don't need either the Fantastic Four or the X-Men right now, but they will eventually. There's only so long you can survive without those characters, especially the Mutant side of things which, arguably, is an even bigger part of the Marvel Canon than Reed and Co. To that end, expect them to start talking with Fox at some point after Phase 3.

Marvel can easily survive without the Xmen and FF post phase 3 and many more years to come. They have more than enough there. They can't be that insecure about their movie universe already, can they?......They do need to relax on the tv shows. Some cool characters on these shows are stuck in tv-land.

 

[Crimz]

Realistically, despite our impatience, the chances are better than not that Fox won't do anything and the rights will revert in 2022. And that's not very far away in film-making time.

If Fox starts seriously working on something (and they've got to do a LOT more than they're currently doing to convince Marvel they're seriously working on something) Marvel will probably have to decide how much the rights are worth to them.

But Marvel has enough to keep them busy for the next five years, so there's no solid business reason for them to act before then - unless Fox does more than they're currently doing.

And there's almost no doubt in my mind that recent talk has been designed to convince Marvel they're moving forward... even though they're not serious.

The way the Doom movie was announced makes me question how serious FOX is about making it. It was tacked on at the end of a unrelated panel and we've heard nothing since.
I just hope Marvel takes the bait and gives them an offer, FOX has already shown with Fant4stic that they are willing to throw any crap out there.

 

[Dark Raven]

Fox made all their Fant4stic announcements after every major Marvel announcement last time round.

 

[metaphysician]

At this point anyone who is not anti-MCU wants some kind of deal,outside of Feige and Fox it seems.

I'm sure Feige wants them back, too. He just is not going to say that publicly, and he's not going to take whatever **** deal Fox is almost certainly offering.

 

[Crimz]

Fox made all their Fant4stic announcements after every major Marvel announcement last time round.

It's so obvious that they have zero faith in the property.

 

[ADollarADay]

Just saw this where apparently Gunn is mapping out the cosmic side of the MCU Post-Phase 3 along with Feige:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-gunn-guardians-3-marvels-cosmic-plans-1027046

In regards to the Fox owned properties, I don't think Marvel have plans to approach them about any kind of deal just yet. With all their current focus being on Avengers 3 and 4, they don't need either the Fantastic Four or the X-Men right now, but they will eventually. There's only so long you can survive without those characters, especially the Mutant side of things which, arguably, is an even bigger part of the Marvel Canon than Reed and Co. To that end, expect them to start talking with Fox at some point after Phase 3.

While not a replacement, because XMen is probably the best comic book property ever, inHumans were an interesting workaround that that could have worked in the MCU, ideally as a movie, but also as a TV show a la GoT. I had never heard of it, but was highly interested in what they could do with the property IF they did the property justice and not tried to make it an XMen replacement. The movie announcement got people excited, and then they decided to hand the property over to Scott Buck :/

I'm sure Feige wants them back, too. He just is not going to say that publicly, and he's not going to take whatever **** deal Fox is almost certainly offering.

He has said it publicly. He wants everything back in house 100%.That's not a secret.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Just saw the leaked SDCC Infinity War trailer. OH MY GAUZE. THAT WAS SOOOOO CRAZY. TONISTICALLY, LOOKS LIKE A FANTASTIC FOUR MOVIE CAME TO LIFE RIGHT OFF THE PAGES. SO READY FOR MARVEL TO TAKE THE RIGHTS BACK FOR PHASE 4!!!

 

[wobbly]

The way the Doom movie was announced makes me question how serious FOX is about making it. It was tacked on at the end of a unrelated panel and we've heard nothing since.
I just hope Marvel takes the bait and gives them an offer, FOX has already shown with Fant4stic that they are willing to throw any crap out there.

There's no way of knowing how advanced the Doom plans are (Probably not far at all) or if there is any serious intent to go ahead with them. For all we know Hawley might have simply pitched the Doom idea to Fox and they said to go ahead to prep a treatment, and take it from there if they think it's worth a shot. Or Fox might have gone to Hawley and asked him to prep something with the FF to at least give them an option on possibly moving forward before the deadline looms.

All we know atm though is that he is apparently working on the idea of a Doom movie. Whether it goes beyond that remains to be seen.

 

[WBwins]

Honest truth is that Marvel wont want to spend that much on FF.There is no need.Thats why i dont believe a deal can be reached.... cause Fox wants some money

 

[NHawk19]

So serious question . . . . Do you guys think you'll get a forum again?

Or is this thing so far off course that SHH is gonna wait and see?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So serious question . . . . Do you guys think you'll get a forum again?

Or is this thing so far off course that SHH is gonna wait and see?

SHH is like Marvel, pretending they don't exist.

I can't imagine us getting any FF films announced until 6 or 7 years from now at the earliest, so I don't think we'll get a forum until then.

 

[First Avenger]

Gotta say I deeply respect Hickmam for calling out Marvel Comics for how disrespectful they've been to F4. This kind of exposure should convince them (and Disney) to do something as a big part of the fandom is just pissed at them.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Gotta say I deeply respect Hickmam for calling out Marvel Comics for how disrespectful they've been to F4. This kind of exposure should convince them (and Disney) to do something as a big part of the fandom is just pissed at them.

I have a feeling Marvel is building toward something on the comic end. We saw the Kirby tribute with heavy FF content at D23, and I saw this pop up a few days ago: https://news.marvel.com/comics/70737/kirby-100-manthis-monster/. Most of the people at Marvel aren't as childish as Perlmutter.

If Marvel really wanted to kill FF, they'd bury them with a third-rate writer and let them whither, but I think their absence is actually building interest. I think the people who matter at Marvel understand the importance of the FF, and I have a feeling when they come back, they'll come back in a big way.