The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - Part 12

[wobbly]

I wonder if the stocks rising after news of the talks were revealed will help.

We can but hope. Plenty of chatter about it from what I've seen. At the site that cannot be named the comments on the rumour have already tipped over 1000.

 

[ADollarADay]

We can but hope. Plenty of chatter about it from what I've seen. At the site that cannot be named the comments on the rumour have already tipped over 1000.

What site is that? lol I have no clue.

11/08/2017 - FOX Q1 earnings report and webcast. Questions WILL be asked to Murdoch.
https://www.21cf.com/investor-relations

11/09/2017 - DIS Q4 and FY 2017 earnings report and webcast. Questions WILL be asked to Iger.
https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disneys-fiscal-full-year-q4-2017-earnings-results-webcast/

Expect both to not give any guidance though lol

I will say this though, the last time I remember some acquisition talk like this showing up close to quarterly earnings was when Dreamworks/CMCSA talks were leaked and then CMCSA confirmed it a week later on their webcast. We may or may not get word this time, but something to keep in mind.

I also think DIS could make Avatar a huge brand. And it would blend well with their other properties in other parks and cruises. Star Wars was big before Disney, but there's no denying how much bigger it has gotten since 2012. If Avatar 2 is a good product, Disney will push it just as hard. And Avatar 5 won't be the last movie in the franchise.

 

[Dark Raven]

Not necessarily. In theory Disney could keep the '21st Century Fox' branding with the studio then serving as an another subsidiary. Like Pixar, Lucasfilm, Touchstone Pictures and Marvel Studios.

I think it might be confusing with the existing Fox news at the same time. They might not want the word "Fox" in the name or logo anymore. They could always go back to the original name of 20th Century Pictures, which would be like the Soviet union returning to the name of Russia after the end of the cold war.

The logo belonged to 20th Century anyway, before they merged with Fox.

 

[wobbly]

What site is that? lol I have no clue.

The hypes auto censor blocks me linking or typing it. But google 'comic book movie' and you should be able to find it right at the top of the results.

Be wary wading into the comments sections though, as a wise old Jedi once said, 'You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.'

 

[wobbly]

I think it might be confusing with the existing Fox news at the same time. They might not want the word "Fox" in the name or logo anymore. They could always go back to the original name of 20th Century Pictures, which would be like the Soviet union returning to the name of Russia after the end of the cold war.

The logo belonged to 20th Century anyway, before they merged with Fox.

Yup, just update the original:

 

[MahvelBaby!]

What site is that? lol I have no clue.

11/08/2017 - FOX Q1 earnings report and webcast. Questions WILL be asked to Murdoch.
https://www.21cf.com/investor-relations

11/09/2017 - DIS Q4 and FY 2017 earnings report and webcast. Questions WILL be asked to Iger.
https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disneys-fiscal-full-year-q4-2017-earnings-results-webcast/

Expect both to not give any guidance though lol

I will say this though, the last time I remember some acquisition talk like this showing up close to quarterly earnings was when Dreamworks/CMCSA talks were leaked and then CMCSA confirmed it a week later on their webcast. We may or may not get word this time, but something to keep in mind.

I also think DIS could make Avatar a huge brand. And it would blend well with their other properties in other parks and cruises. Star Wars was big before Disney, but there's no denying how much bigger it has gotten since 2012. If Avatar 2 is a good product, Disney will push it just as hard. And Avatar 5 won't be the last movie in the franchise.

Funny you mention avatar... in Disney's animal kingdom here in Florida, they created a whole, themed area for Avatar...hmmmm

 

[ADollarADay]

Funny you mention avatar... in Disney's animal kingdom here in Florida, they created a whole, themed area for Avatar...hmmmm

I've been there. They sold out of banshees in an hour or whatever it was. A movie that's been missing for almost a decade. They have WW theme park rights for Avatar, regardless of what happens. If they own it, they could push Avatar to be as big as Star Wars. Look at how ubiquitous Star Wars is today, lots of space at target, walmart, best buy etc. Go to Disney Springs, they have a store just for Star Wars. And a big section for it at the Disney Store. Avatar could be bigger than it is, much bigger.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The 10% stock increase puts a LOT of pressure on Fox. Imagine talks have broken down and things look grim. If Fox came out today and annonced “it’s not going to happen”, they’d lose that 10% plus some and that will represent a lot of shareholder money and a lot of shareholder anger.

That means Fox just became far more motivated to make something happen. They probably won’t accept a bad deal, but they have to consider and accept a reasonable deal with much more urgency than they had two days ago.

I still think it may have been Fox who leaked the news, but if so, they’ve painted themselves into a corner after the reaction.

 

[ImSGirl95]

The 10% stock increase puts a LOT of pressure on Fox. Imagine talks have broken down and things look grim. If Fox came out today and annonced “it’s not going to happen”, they’d lose that 10% plus some and that will represent a lot of shareholder money and a lot of shareholder anger.

That means Fox just became far more motivated to make something happen. They probably won’t accept a bad deal, but they have to consider and accept a reasonable deal with much more urgency than they had two days ago.

I still think it may have been Fox who leaked the news, but if so, they’ve painted themselves into a corner after the reaction.

So, it basically had a backfire kind of effect on them? Cool, I guess. lol

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So, it basically had a backfire kind of effect on them? Cool, I guess. lol

Well I'm speculating regarding if Fox was the one who leaked it, but if they did leak it, they want a deal to happen. And this increases the chances of a deal happening (while also putting more pressure on themselves to actually make sure it goes through).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

And the stock increase also gives us some objective measure of the likelihood of something happening.

All of us want this to happen, but all of us have suffered through 30 years of bad FF films and rumors that haven't panned out, so I think we're conditioned to say "Yeah, that would be great... but it will probably never happen."

But the people who were buying stock yesterday don't know or care anything about the FF or the things we want. They're people who study business and mergers and acquisitions. They know the people involved and they understand the needs of the individual companies and they're looking at this, and betting with their money that something will happen.

It still may go nowhere... but the experts think a deal is likely enough that they're willing to bet large amounts of money that it will go through.

 

[ImSGirl95]

https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/6/16614502/disney-fox-marvel-netflix-hulu-streaming

Hmm ... any truth to that? Appereantly, Disney was more interested in Futurama?
Sounds doubtful.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/6/16614502/disney-fox-marvel-netflix-hulu-streaming

Hmm ... any truth to that? Appereantly, Disney was more interested in Futurama?
Sounds doubtful.

I suspect there's some truth to it. Disney is creating their own version of Netflix and content will be key to making that service competitive.

But while Simpsons and Futurama would add content and value to that service so will Fox's film catalong - past and future. Avatar, Planet of The Apes, X-Men etc. in addition to the TV shows would all add value to the Disney streaming service.

Disney wouldn’t pay 20 -30 billion for Futurama, (or Fantastic Four or X-men) but they would pay 20-30 billion for all that and more.

 

[First Avenger]

http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2017/11/06/the-simpsons-disney-buys-fox-marvel-star-wars/

Lol

 

[Dark Raven]

The 10% stock increase puts a LOT of pressure on Fox. Imagine talks have broken down and things look grim. If Fox came out today and annonced “it’s not going to happen”, they’d lose that 10% plus some and that will represent a lot of shareholder money and a lot of shareholder anger.

That means Fox just became far more motivated to make something happen. They probably won’t accept a bad deal, but they have to consider and accept a reasonable deal with much more urgency than they had two days ago.

I still think it may have been Fox who leaked the news, but if so, they’ve painted themselves into a corner after the reaction.

What do you mean by that? What reaction were they hoping would happen instead? Are you talking about a reaction from Disney or from the public?

 

[Dark Raven]

On another matter, do Disney recast Deadpool if they do acquire him soon? Or do they continue to let Ryan Reynolds do his schtick? It has been very successful. It seems that it wouldn't make commercial sense to just scrap him simply so that they could have their own version.

Given he breaks the fourth wall all the time, it seems like he could exist alongside them in an almost meta way. The X-Men as seen in his films aren't even quite the same as the X-Men in the regular X-Men films - eg Colossus is very different.

But do they still keep it R-rated under the Disney banner?

And do they try to create their own version of Wolverine, or do they try to entice Hugh Jackman back? Jackman would probably want to come back if it gave him the chance to star alongside actors in the MCU and be a part of that universe. He would only want to hang up his hat as part of the existing Fox universe.

But would Marvel, if they did recast Wolverine, make him a watered-down version, not being able to adhere to many of the classic elements but making changes for the sake of changes (a la Spider-Man Homecoming) just because they feel it has already been done before?

 

[rockman1216]

On another matter, do Disney recast Deadpool if they do acquire him soon? Or do they continue to let Ryan Reynolds do his schtick? It has been very successful. It seems that it wouldn't make commercial sense to just scrap him simply so that they could have their own version.

Given he breaks the fourth wall all the time, it seems like he could exist alongside them in an almost meta way. The X-Men as seen in his films aren't even quite the same as the X-Men in the regular X-Men films - eg Colossus is very different.

But do they still keep it R-rated under the Disney banner?

Well considering

1. Deadpool 1 doesn't really tie that much to the X-Men while they appear in it the world it exists in doesn't really seem to be a world where mutants are known and the entire story can easily fit in the MCU
2. Feige and the MCU cast love Deadpool and have said they would want to crossover with him and I believe he is actually producing the second one I read that somewhere can't remember where.

3. It would just be a bad PR move all around and a waste of time and effort.

4. Sony and Marvel were actually thinking about bringing Andrew Garfield into the MCU but they both decided to recast and start fresh due to a myriad of factors one including ASM2 and the other being they wanted a teenage Spidey


5. Deadpool never takes off his costume just redesign the costume and have him never take it off.


I should also add that there is nothing about Deadpool that needs to be recast

The Fantastic Four

X-Men

All need to be recast

Almost all of them are miscast especially if Marvel wants to go adult X-Men or young X-Men

Same with Fantastic Four everyone is miscast apart from Chris Evans but he's playing Cap now.

Oh and Deadpool will still be Rated-R it made money and he's a character that works well in the movies and doesn't need a TV Series he might not work as one

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2017/11/06/the-simpsons-disney-buys-fox-marvel-star-wars/

Lol

 

[Dark Raven]

Well considering

1. Deadpool 1 doesn't really tie that much to the X-Men while they appear in it the world it exists in doesn't really seem to be a world where mutants are known and the entire story can easily fit in the MCU
2. Feige and the MCU cast love Deadpool and have said they would want to crossover with him and I believe he is actually producing the second one I read that somewhere can't remember where.

3. It would just be a bad PR move all around and a waste of time and effort.

4. Sony and Marvel were actually thinking about bringing Andrew Garfield into the MCU but they both decided to recast and start fresh due to a myriad of factors one including ASM2 and the other being they wanted a teenage Spidey


5. Deadpool never takes off his costume just redesign the costume and have him never take it off.


I should also add that there is nothing about Deadpool that needs to be recast

The Fantastic Four

X-Men

All need to be recast

Almost all of them are miscast especially if Marvel wants to go adult X-Men or young X-Men

Same with Fantastic Four everyone is miscast apart from Chris Evans but he's playing Cap now.

Well even if, some totally crazy reason, Marvel didn't try to recast the FF, Michael B Jordan is also playing Erik Kilmonger in Black Panther.

 

[rockman1216]

Well even if, some totally crazy reason, Marvel didn't try to recast the FF, Michael B Jordan is also playing Erik Kilmonger in Black Panther.

I'm going to say this now

Marvel is recasting the Fantastic Four those guys were critically panned

Universally miscast and each and everyone of them probably don't want another stinker on their resume even if it's by Disney.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

What do you mean by that? What reaction were they hoping would happen instead? Are you talking about a reaction from Disney or from the public?

I'm saying that before the leak and stock jump, Fox might have wanted to make the deal, but now they almost have to make the deal.

... and maybe that's exactly what the person leaking wanted, who knows? It's quite possible that some within Fox were reluctant to take Marvel's latest offer and others wanted to jump at it. The person leaking may have been a pro-deal person who wanted to force other board members to take the deal, and if so, they succeeded.

I'm piling guess upon speculation upon making-it-up-as-I-go-along, but with that said, here's what I sort of suspect happened.

They've been talking. Fox is ready to make a deal. Disneyl isn't sure. So Fox, trying to get Disney moving, leaked the story to get people talking and force Disney to s*** or get off the pot.

But something that might not have been entirely anticipated happened - Fox stock shot through the roof. Now that the stock has climbed so dramatically, Fox's options are limited. Letting the deal fall through would be disastrous to their stock price (and the future employment of board-members), so Fox, much more so than Disney, is under the gun and may need to take whatever offer they can get.

Of course the idea that Fox leaked it is complete speculation on my part based on the idea that this is a bigger deal for Fox than it is for Marvel. It's quite possible that Disney leaked it, and if so, they got exactly what they wanted - A Fox board that is now under a lot of pressure to take any reasonable offer.

 

[Dasher10]

Well considering

1. Deadpool 1 doesn't really tie that much to the X-Men while they appear in it the world it exists in doesn't really seem to be a world where mutants are known and the entire story can easily fit in the MCU
2. Feige and the MCU cast love Deadpool and have said they would want to crossover with him and I believe he is actually producing the second one I read that somewhere can't remember where.

3. It would just be a bad PR move all around and a waste of time and effort.

4. Sony and Marvel were actually thinking about bringing Andrew Garfield into the MCU but they both decided to recast and start fresh due to a myriad of factors one including ASM2 and the other being they wanted a teenage Spidey


5. Deadpool never takes off his costume just redesign the costume and have him never take it off.


I should also add that there is nothing about Deadpool that needs to be recast

The Fantastic Four

X-Men

All need to be recast

Almost all of them are miscast especially if Marvel wants to go adult X-Men or young X-Men

Same with Fantastic Four everyone is miscast apart from Chris Evans but he's playing Cap now.

Oh and Deadpool will still be Rated-R it made money and he's a character that works well in the movies and doesn't need a TV Series he might not work as one

I only really feel like Beast, Cecelia Reyes and Jean Grey are miscast.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I'm convinced this WILL happen, but not any time soon.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Edit: sorry double post.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I'm convinced this WILL happen, but not any time soon.

Yeah, it's actually more of a "when" than an "if".