The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - Part 12

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm convinced this WILL happen, but not any time soon.

I agree, but Marvel probably wouldn't have gotten the FF rights back soon anyway, so even with a slow, plodding process of working out some purchase deal, I think Marvel would likely control the FF rights sooner with a purchase like this than they would have under more normal circumstances.

 

[Zarex]

On another matter, do Disney recast Deadpool if they do acquire him soon? Or do they continue to let Ryan Reynolds do his schtick? It has been very successful. It seems that it wouldn't make commercial sense to just scrap him simply so that they could have their own version.

Wade's in sort of his own wonky continuity, so Feige and company could plop him into an MCU movie as soon as the deal is signed. My guess is they will keep things as is unless Deadpool 2 craters at the box office.

But do they still keep it R-rated under the Disney banner?

I doubt Iger would shutter the FOX banner if they bought the Murdoch's entertainment assets. The R rated productions can be remain with FOX. You can have the X-Men and Deadpool films be joint FOX/Marvel Studios productions, just like Homecoming was with Sony.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I doubt Iger would shutter the FOX banner if they bought the Murdoch's entertainment assets. The R rated productions can be remain with FOX. You can have the X-Men and Deadpool films be joint FOX/Marvel Studios productions, just like Homecoming was with Sony.

Exactly! It will just have the two logos on screen. And that's it. They won't even have the Disney logo.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I doubt Iger would shutter the FOX banner if they bought the Murdoch's entertainment assets. The R rated productions can be remain with FOX. You can have the X-Men and Deadpool films be joint FOX/Marvel Studios productions, just like Homecoming was with Sony.

Yeah, I can imagine Fox continuing to carry some characters as they're working toward integration and Deadpool would be the perfect candidate to continue under Fox (with maybe a few Marvel characters popping over into his films).

I suspect the X-Men in general would be halted and reworked as soon as the films that are currently in production have had their run, but something like a Mangold X-23 might be allowed to continue as a Fox film.

And for all the talk about R-Ratings, with the exception of a few words you can't say on television (that could be cut out without killing the character) I don't think Deadpool is so extreme he couldn't be included, relatively unchanged, in the Marvel world. Look at Thor where we had lines like: "Oh my God, the hammer pulls you off?"

 

[wobbly]

On another matter, do Disney recast Deadpool if they do acquire him soon? Or do they continue to let Ryan Reynolds do his schtick? It has been very successful. It seems that it wouldn't make commercial sense to just scrap him simply so that they could have their own version.

Given he breaks the fourth wall all the time, it seems like he could exist alongside them in an almost meta way. The X-Men as seen in his films aren't even quite the same as the X-Men in the regular X-Men films - eg Colossus is very different.

But do they still keep it R-rated under the Disney banner?

In theory they could create an off shoot form Marvel Studios where R Rated stuff can be separated from the overall brand (The Netflix shows like Daredevil and almost certainly the upcoming Punisher wouldn't have got a PG rating had they been films. These get separated by being Netflix shows).

The comics have had that kind of 'mature content' branding trick before to separate more adult orientated titles from the normal ones, and Disney have made R Rated films via the subsidiary studios they have owned so it wouldn't be anything new or alien to them.

And do they try to create their own version of Wolverine, or do they try to entice Hugh Jackman back? Jackman would probably want to come back if it gave him the chance to star alongside actors in the MCU and be a part of that universe. He would only want to hang up his hat as part of the existing Fox universe.

But would Marvel, if they did recast Wolverine, make him a watered-down version, not being able to adhere to many of the classic elements but making changes for the sake of changes (a la Spider-Man Homecoming) just because they feel it has already been done before?

I think Hugh has said he'd reconsider putting on the claws again if Logan could be in the MCU. That being said I think it might be best to look for new blood whether the deal comes to pass or not.

And tbh this is getting very far ahead of everything. Hypothetically, if the deal was announced tomorrow, none of the films currently in production would be stopped (waay too expensive to bin them). Deadpool 2, New Mutants and Dark Phoenix would all go ahead regardless, and if they are successful more money spinning sequels would be a given.

With that in mind the idea of utilising and continuing the X-Verse as an alternate world (for the time being at any rate) would seem the best option going forward. The MCU and X-Verse could always be 'merged' later on with a Secret Wars reality altering reboot event down the line.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think Hugh has said he'd reconsider putting on the claws again if Logan could be in the MCU. That being said I think it might be best to look for new blood whether the deal comes to pass or not.

Yeah, as much as it might be nice to pay tribute to one of the bright spots of the Fox X-Verse, I'm ready to move on with a fresh take and have confidence Marvel can give us a Wolverine that will make us forget all about Fox's version.

It would be cool to give Jackman a cameo that would allow him to make a reference to it, but I don't see any pressing need to have him play the character in the MCU (and now that he's Old Man Logan, the logistics would also be difficult).

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd like this to fall into place as quickly as the Marvel-Sony Spider-Man deal came through. It seemed a remote possibility in December of whichever year it was, but then by end of January or beginning of February of the following year, it was suddenly announced that Spidey was in the MCU. I want to see something similar for the FF (and X-Men).

 

[Dasher10]

Apparently this has to do with streaming and after Lionsgate bought Starz, Fox are left as the only big player without a streaming service.

Let's look at who owns what

Netflix - Netflix
Disney - Upcoming streaming service
Amazon - Amazon Prime
Lionsgate - Starz
National Amusements - Showtime
Time Warner - HBO and Cinemax
Sony - Playstation Vue

That leaves only Fox and The Weinstein Company as the only major media companies to not own a streaming service and the latter is falling apart anyway thanks to their CEO's long history of sexual abuse.

Fox could turn FX Now into a pay service but it's unlikely to happen in the near future.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

This is a win/win for both companies IMO, people can hate on it all they want, but out of all the evil empire companies out there, this one to me is the only one that makes sense.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'd like this to fall into place as quickly as the Marvel-Sony Spider-Man deal came through. It seemed a remote possibility in December of whichever year it was, but then by end of January or beginning of February of the following year, it was suddenly announced that Spidey was in the MCU. I want to see something similar for the FF (and X-Men).

Since it seems like they've already been talking for a while and have a rough outline, I wouldn't be surprised if an announcement of an actual agreement comes relatively quickly.

But then, unlike the relatively simple Spidey deal, there will be a lot more that will have to happen since the FTC will have to review and approve before the transaction can be finalized. And they will operate as if nothing has changed while that review is taking place.

And while those involved will likely structure it in a way they know will pass FTC scrutiny, the government never does things quickly, so that process could drag on for a while.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

*edit duplicate*

 

[Dasher10]

I actually forgot. Universal, Troma and STX also don't have a streaming service but Universal is owned by Comcast who are an ISP and are thus used to access streaming content from other providers. Troma and STX also both have a low enough overhead that they don't need a streaming service.

 

[Dasher10]

*edit duplicate*

It's SEC not FTC since they're both publicly traded.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's SEC not FTC since they're both publicly traded.

I would assume both would be involved in a deal of this nature (with the FTC ensuring Disney doesn't gain any monopolies and the SEC making sure the details of the transaction are properly documented and communicated to shareholders and the public), but I'm not an expert.

 

[Tymminator]

I'm convinced this WILL happen, but not any time soon.

I’m in a similar but different boat.

I think it’s very likely to happen, BUT I don’t think we will have to wait long at all. I think both sides are itching to make a deal and get it done.

 

[WeaponXCII]

What's really interesting to me is how this whole deal being revealed to the general public might influence things moving forward. Will this factor be the impetus that advances it, whereas likely nothing would have happened if it had stayed completely under the radar?

This might be the Mandela effect (think I'm using the term right), but I seem to remember rumors a few years back of a company coming out with a product (a food?), which were then denied, but when the public demanded it, the company then created said product. There might be a couple examples of this, but like I said, it might just be my mind fabricating things.

 

[Dark Raven]

I would assume both would be involved in a deal of this nature (with the FTC ensuring Disney doesn't gain any monopolies and the SEC making sure the details of the transaction are properly documented and communicated to shareholders and the public), but I'm not an expert.

Disney aren't acquiring the sports or news side of Fox, so that might keep them out of too much danger of becoming a monopoly.

Since it's mostly their entertainment division, and they're acquiring properties that they already own in the majority (eg Marvel and Star Wars) then it would be just having them all under one umbrella. There should be no harm in having all of Marvel or Star Wars together. WB have all of DC.

As for other properties like Avatar or Planet of the Apes, well it would be just like if those rights were up for grabs and Disney purchased them.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I’m convinced that it will happen and sometime in the next 3-4 months

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Disney aren't acquiring the sports or news side of Fox, so that might keep them out of too much danger of becoming a monopoly.

Yeah, it sounds like they're already trying to structure this in a way that they know will be able to sail through, but the government will want to get involved and that will take time under the best of scenarios.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/07/cra...-fox-deal-makes-sense-could-stop-netflix.html

"I can't believe they don't take it to the finish line."

 

[Dark Raven]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/07/cra...-fox-deal-makes-sense-could-stop-netflix.html

"I can't believe they don't take it to the finish line."

If it does make so much sense, then they should definitely take it to the finish line. Don't let talks stall.

 

[Dasher10]

So.. will Disney make Alien profitable again?

 

[First Avenger]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/07/cra...-fox-deal-makes-sense-could-stop-netflix.html

"I can't believe they don't take it to the finish line."

The plot thickens. I expect an announcement in January-February.

 

[First Avenger]

Meanwhile Feige already ordered to write a Fantastic 4 treatment.

 

[Dark Raven]

Meanwhile Feige already ordered to write a Fantastic 4 treatment.

Like with Civil War and Spider-Man, the Russos once again don't have a plan B for Infinity War if they don't acquire the FF. It's all already written into the script.