The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[Ragnaroknroll]

aaaaaaa.... oh my god, i am at work, i wont get anything done

Lol me too. I got a lot of **** to do today too.

Hahaha - we're all in the same boat here.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would love for them to intro the individual F4 guys into other MCU films first. They all have plenty to offer by themselves. And it would also feel like a mini-teamup event when they get together in an F4 film. I think the next F4 film needs some pre-hype like this.

This is the genius of Marvel and what they've done so far. They don't just throw 20 characters at us at once. They introduce them slowly and let us get to know them as individuals.

That's the big difference in my mind between the MCU and the X-Verse and why the MCU works so much better. We never really got to know Cyclops or Jean Gray or Storm in a way that allowed us to see their different personalities and understand and like them as individuals. They were always just a jumble of characters who we didn't know well enough to make us really care about them. We ended up caring more about the villain than the heroes.

 

[Spiderine]

This thread needs to stay alive even after the Disney-Fox deal just because it is a historic thread.

And also we still need to talk about Disney fully acquiring Spider-Man, as well as distribution rights for Hulk and Namor.

Yes......Sony is our next target.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah I hope you're right. I do like the sound of that.

But something to consider - always upping stakes is a dangerous game that can numb audiences - and it is. It's always the end of the world/galaxy/universe whatever. Another sky portal - yawn. Smaller, personal stories and character growth along the way, things that make you actually care about what's happening and who's affected - are absolutely needed to keep people vested in these stories.

Another thought I've had is that with stakes so high - and the Marvel universe so expanded - whether Galactus can be considered a threat on the level of Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet. I mean Ego almost did essentially the same thing in GOTG 2.

I could see a franchise built around Silver Surfer and Galactus that introduces his character and his hunger - make Galactus a tragic character along with Norrin Radd. Introduce the FF separately and make you care about them as a family. Build the story surrounding Doom. Make him the MCU's best villain like he should be. World building over time - long form story telling - but always make it about the characters.

Meanwhile like you mention - over a very long period - all of this craziness builds towards something epic - like Annihilation Wave, a Kree Skrull War, Beyonder/Secret Wars that kind of thing - where all of these characters are players on a bigger stage. If written and architected well, the potential there seems fairly limitless IMO.

Ego didn't feel like Galactus because though he was basically making the world himself, they focused the storyline on his personal relationship with Starlord and 95% of it was on his planet, so the epicness was lost in favor of making it more personal. In GotG2, it worked. But, Galactus can EASILY be seen as a viable threat. You just have to film that differently. You need to focus on the terror Galactus is causing and highlight the ramifications of him destroying a planet. See the opening to the Transformers cartoon film for a good example of setting those stakes early and well. Show us refugees of other worlds who lost everything to Galactus. Show people who see the silver light in the sky fleeing their planets in terror. Focus on that, and it will feel epic.

 

[Dark Raven]

Why wait for that, when we got Avengers 4 next year and we need a big brain to stop Thanos

That would be great if they could bring in Reed for Avengers 4 to stop Thanos.

I hope there's still enough filming on Avengers 4 left to be done that they could still reasonably cast members of the Fantastic Four. Perhaps they already have people in mind in the event that something like this were to happen.

They must've known for a while that this deal was in the works, so perhaps they had a contingency plan for Avengers 4.

And maybe that's why they also didn't choose for it to simply be Infinity Wars Part 1 and 2.

If Reed could be established as a real force to be reckoned with and able to help in stopping Thanos, then that will set him up for future MCU films, especially when the likes of Doom and Galactus come along.

But imagine it's not Reed who stops Thanos but Doom, because Doom somehow usurps his power.

The real Doom should be someone who, even if others are more powerful than him, he still looks down upon them as beneath him. He shouldn't be afraid of Thanos at all and should still somehow be able to beat him, just because he's Doom.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That would be great if they could bring in Reed for Avengers 4 to stop Thanos.

I hope there's still enough filming on Avengers 4 left to be done that they could still reasonably cast members of the Fantastic Four. Perhaps they already have people in mind in the event that something like this were to happen.

They must've known for a while that this deal was in the works, so perhaps they had a contingency plan for Avengers 4.

And maybe that's why they also didn't choose for it to simply be Infinity Wars Part 1 and 2.

If Reed could be established as a real force to be reckoned with and able to help in stopping Thanos, then that will set him up for future MCU films, especially when the likes of Doom and Galactus come along.

But imagine it's not Reed who stops Thanos but Doom, because Doom somehow usurps his power.

The real Doom should be someone who, even if others are more powerful than him, he still looks down upon them as beneath him. He shouldn't be afraid of Thanos at all and should still somehow be able to beat him, just because he's Doom.

Avengers 4 released in 2019. At some point this year, there will be reshoots. There is PLENTY of time assuming the sale is effective by say the summer. Much of if they can be in it will depend on when things happen and on what dates.

 

[brandeezy89]

X-Men Dark Phoenix will happen because the merge won't officially happen until next December if it closes.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah I hope you're right. I do like the sound of that.

But something to consider - always upping stakes is a dangerous game that can numb audiences - and it is. It's always the end of the world/galaxy/universe whatever. Another sky portal - yawn. Smaller, personal stories and character growth along the way, things that make you actually care about what's happening and who's affected - are absolutely needed to keep people vested in these stories.

Another thought I've had is that with stakes so high - and the Marvel universe so expanded - whether Galactus can be considered a threat on the level of Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet. I mean Ego almost did essentially the same thing in GOTG 2.

I could see a franchise built around Silver Surfer and Galactus that introduces his character and his hunger - make Galactus a tragic character along with Norrin Radd. Introduce the FF separately and make you care about them as a family. Build the story surrounding Doom. Make him the MCU's best villain like he should be. World building over time - long form story telling - but always make it about the characters.

Meanwhile like you mention - over a very long period - all of this craziness builds towards something epic - like Annihilation Wave, a Kree Skrull War, Beyonder/Secret Wars that kind of thing - where all of these characters are players on a bigger stage. If written and architected well, the potential there seems fairly limitless IMO.

Exactly, and that's why I'm saying 15 years. Marvel didn't just bring Thanos out of nowhere. They've been patiently cultivating this story-line for a long time with seemingly unrelated stories. And I think they'll do something similar going forward - now that they have the villains and heroes to pull it off.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It needs to be cancelled. We may never see the Dark Phoenix story in the MCU because of this movie.

This is a very good point. Fox already horribly botched the Dark Phoenix story line once. I think you kill this film.

In the grand scheme of things what's $150 million when you're talking a multi billion dollar acquisition?

And coming from who thought First Class was a fantastic film and Days of Future Past overall solid, I thought X-Men: Apocalypse was a total nose-dive. Very strongly dislike that film. Refuse to buy it and I own almost all of the other X-Men films - even XMO: Wolverine and X:TLS.

 

[fobi]

Well since the deal won't be done until the end of next year if it does happen, how would they even cancel it or any of the 2018 films? I could see Gambit and Multiple-man getting cancelled.

 

[Big Bang]

Yes......Sony is our next target.

Good thing Disney will be getting the Bond home distribution rights. Something Sony wants.

 

[Dark Raven]

Avengers 4 released in 2018. At some point this year, there will be reshoots. There is PLENTY of time assuming the sale is effective by say the summer. Much of if they can be in it will depend on when things happen and on what dates.

Avengers 4 in 2019 surely? Avengers 3 is in 2018.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Avengers 4 in 2019 surely? Avengers 3 is in 2018.

Typo. I meant releases in 2019 with 2018 reshoots.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Ego didn't feel like Galactus because though he was basically making the world himself, they focused the storyline on his personal relationship with Starlord and 95% of it was on his planet, so the epicness was lost in favor of making it more personal. In GotG2, it worked. But, Galactus can EASILY be seen as a viable threat. You just have to film that differently. You need to focus on the terror Galactus is causing and highlight the ramifications of him destroying a planet. See the opening to the Transformers cartoon film for a good example of setting those stakes early and well. Show us refugees of other worlds who lost everything to Galactus. Show people who see the silver light in the sky fleeing their planets in terror. Focus on that, and it will feel epic.

I agree with what you're saying (and the character elements are what enable me to enjoy GOTG2) but I would be content to see the *initial* story line of Galactus unfold in a Silver Surfer / Fantastic Four crossover.

Surfer needs his own franchise and that's where you meet Galactus. I would like to actually feel something for Galactus and not just have him be some giant generic big baddie or plot device. Meanwhile, the FF absolutely need their own franchise. A smaller type cross over here would build excitement like seeing Hulk vs. Thor in a gladiatorial contest.

And I'd MUCH rather see the FF deal with this threat of Galactus themselves rather than the Avengers. I mean the Avengers can cameo in it but show us why the FF are great and why the MCU *needs* them.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Keep in mind it will take a long time for this deal to be finalized. While that's happening, Fox and Disney will have to continue, business-as-usual, and there could even be legal consequences if they start coordinating plans prior to the official transfer.

So Fox will continue with Dark Phoenix and it may even be released prior to the everything being finalized. And if not, it will be so close that Marvel would be losing a lot of money and causing a mess by scrapping a film that, by that point, will be complete with posters, trailers etc. all building up to a release.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I agree with what you're saying (and the character elements are what enable me to enjoy GOTG2) but I would be content to see the *initial* story line of Galactus unfold in a Silver Surfer / Fantastic Four crossover.

Surfer needs his own franchise and that's where you meet Galactus. I would like to actually feel something for Galactus and not just have him be some giant generic big baddie or plot device. Meanwhile, the FF absolutely need their own franchise. A smaller type cross over here would build excitement like seeing Hulk vs. Thor in a gladiatorial contest.

And I'd MUCH rather see the FF deal with this threat of Galactus themselves rather than the Avengers. I mean the Avengers can cameo in it but show us why the FF are great and why the MCU *needs* them.

I would use Guardians 3 to introduce the idea of Galactus in some capacity. Maybe even first introduce the Silver Surfer in that movie.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I would use Guardians 3 to introduce the idea of Galactus in some capacity. Maybe even first introduce the Silver Surfer in that movie.

Maybe... if it works organically and serves the story. Not sure but not opposed. But it has to be done well. I always loved the way Civil War introduced us to T'Challa and the new Peter Parker.

 

[Dark Raven]

I would use Guardians 3 to introduce the idea of Galactus in some capacity. Maybe even first introduce the Silver Surfer in that movie.

We could have Dr Doom cameo in Dr Strange, where Doom is searching for some mystic arts to rescue his mother. Maybe he consults Baron Mordo.

I think they could use Doom like they did with Thanos and his cameos. Except instead of gathering Infinity Stones (or preparing to do that), he could just be gathering other supplies. Maybe Vibranium from Wakanda for his armour, magic from Mordo, and other things.

But here's another thought. Ultron was necessarily made out of Vibranium because they couldn't use Adamantium at the time. Will Adamantium exist now in the MCU and couldn't Ultron come back from the dead, this time made out of that indestructible material? He has rebuilt himself numerous times. That's why he's called Ultron Undying.

 

[Aztec]

Yes......Sony is our next target.

Yup! I’ll hopefully have to change my signature again soon. I’m soon to be two for two (Spidey and FF) with my sigs. Now it’s time to focus on Universal’s pointless retention of Hulk, Namor, and TIH distribution rights. And of course Sony’s super pointless “Spider-Manless Spider-Man Centric Sony Marvel Universe”. All Spidey characters should be in MCU only! Preferably with full rights back to Marvel. The war continues until total victory ladies and gents!!!!

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

They are public domain, but Marvels interpretation of them is not. So if someone directly copied Marvels Thor or Hercules (costume design, unique supporting characters and stories created by marvel etc) they could be done for copyright infringement.

The get around is to do a 'parody' and claim 'fair use'. That's something the porn industry has been doing for some time now.

So since other franchises outside of Spider-Man and MCU have been shy about suiting up their heroes it may have been possible to have had a Thor in a lawyer proof costume show up in a plot?

 

[Spider-Fan]

We could have Dr Doom cameo in Dr Strange, where Doom is searching for some mystic arts to rescue his mother. Maybe he consults Baron Mordo.

I think they could use Doom like they did with Thanos and his cameos. Except instead of gathering Infinity Stones (or preparing to do that), he could just be gathering other supplies. Maybe Vibranium from Wakanda for his armour, magic from Mordo, and other things.

But here's another thought. Ultron was necessarily made out of Vibranium because they couldn't use Adamantium at the time. Will Adamantium exist now in the MCU and couldn't Ultron come back from the dead, this time made out of that indestructible material? He has rebuilt himself numerous times. That's why he's called Ultron Undying.

I would introduce Doom in the FF solo once it happens. Maybe give Latveria a presence in the UN or something in Black Panther 2, but I would show Doom in the FF movie and then use him in other stuff.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would use Guardians 3 to introduce the idea of Galactus in some capacity. Maybe even first introduce the Silver Surfer in that movie.

Yeah, I like the idea of introducing him long-before he becomes a direct threat.

Get it out there that: "Holy crap! There's a being with the powers of a god who simply goes around eating planets."

He could be built into the cultures of various planets with races going to extremes to avoid catching his notice. And Silver Surfer would be feared as much or more than Galactus. When he shows up, you know you're next.

Having that foreknowledge would be a divergence from the comics, but if done right, it could create an intense anticipation.

 

[Iceman]

Why wait for that, when we got Avengers 4 next year and we need a big brain to stop Thanos

I'd love it for Avengers 4, just trying to keep my expectations in check as to how fast they can cast and feature someone in it. If it can be done, well it's the stuff of dreams really.

 

[Iceman]

Yup! I’ll hopefully have to change my signature again soon. I’m soon to be two for two (Spidey and FF) with my sigs. Now it’s time to focus on Universal’s pointless retention of Hulk, Namor, and TIH distribution rights. And of course Sony’s super pointless “Spider-Manless Spider-Man Centric Sony Marvel Universe”. All Spidey characters should be in MCU only! Preferably with full rights back to Marvel. The war continues until total victory ladies and gents!!!!

You're a lucky charm t:

 

[Dark Raven]

You're a lucky charm t:

So are James Franco and Seth Rogen. Everytime they release a movie around December, another historic Disney/Marvel deal goes through.