The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Dark Raven]

and don't cast a kid under 40 for Reed

This. I hated the "teenage" Miles Teller version. Give us someone who is older and looks older than the rest.

 

[Kanon]

This. I hated the "teenage" Miles Teller version. Give us someone who is older and looks older than the rest.

Marvel is probably going for a big name, spot on casting, for someone in FF to be the next RDJ of the MCU, and it might as well be Reed

 

[Boom]

Every time I think someone would make a great Reed Richards, they turn out to be 45+ years old. Can't catch a break.

**** it. I'm just gonna roll with Matt Bomer or Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

 

[Dark Raven]

Every time I think someone would make a great Reed Richards, they turn out to be 45+ years old. Can't catch a break.

**** it. I'm just gonna roll with Matt Bomer or Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

Because most people younger than that seem too young and green and don't have the gravitas for the part.

Yes, we need to think long term. But if that means most of the movies are going to be where they are too young, and only by a future movie in 10 years time they'll finally start to look right, then that is probably not the right approach either.

I think someone in their late 30s or 40s is fine.

For James Bond, he has always been about that age. If they go too young with him, he just doesn't have a certain distinguished feel yet. I think that's the same with Reed. He has to seem like a man, not a boy.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Friday, right after the markets close. That is when it will start to break.

 

[Dark Raven]

Will they announce it like they did for Spider-Man? How "Sony are bringing Marvel Studios into the Spidey cinematic universe"?

 

[Dark Raven]

Disney/Marvel: "We want the Marvel rights back. All of it."

FOX: "What if we say no?"

Disney/Marvel: "Say yes."

 

[Chip Chipperson]

“Hope Never Dies”

 

[Dark Raven]

Called it two years ago:

The rights will probably go back around Holiday season when no one is paying attention, plus that would allow Marvel to start seeding the characters in their next set of movies that start filming next year.

 

[Marvel united]

Because most people younger than that seem too young and green and don't have the gravitas for the part.

Yes, we need to think long term. But if that means most of the movies are going to be where they are too young, and only by a future movie in 10 years time they'll finally start to look right, then that is probably not the right approach either.

I think someone in their late 30s or 40s is fine.

For James Bond, he has always been about that age. If they go too young with him, he just doesn't have a certain distinguished feel yet. I think that's the same with Reed. He has to seem like a man, not a boy.

But why does Reed have to be so much older than everybody else? Excluding the Kirby version of Reed, he's always seem to be be not THAT much older than Sue. I don't see why he has to be older. A man in his late thirties is by no means a "Boy" and he can have just as much gravitas and charisma as a 47 year old. Of course experience is always a factor but it's not far fetched whatsoever for somebody a bit younger to be closer to the classic Reed you want and not be pushing 50 years old.

Casting an actor in his late forties is just not very practical for Marvel. They'll want as much leverage out of these characters as possible. Casting someone like Jonn Hamm would mean we could get 3 movies out of him MAX. He'll be the age RDJ is NOW almost 10 years after Iron Man (RDJ was 42 when cast) came out

 

[Crimz]

But why does Reed have to be so mud older than everybody else? Excluding the Kirby version of Reed, he's always seem to be be not THAT much older than Sue. I don't see why he has to older. A man I his late thirties is by no means a "Boy" and he can have just as much gravitas and charisma as a 47 year old. Of course experience is always a factor but it's not far fetched whatsoever for somebody a bit younger to be closer to the classic Reed you want and not be pushing 50 years old.

Classic Lee/Kirby Reed was in his early 30s and Sue was a childhood sweetheart so there's not much of an age difference. The biggest age difference was Johnny to the rest of the team. Byrne was the one who creeped it up by making Reed in his 20s when he met Sue who was 12.

So I'd say Reed and Ben should be in their early to mid 30s, Sue in her mid to late 20s, and Johnny late teens (but an actor in his early 20s who can pass for late teens).
I think the graying temples (which he got form the shock of war, not age) throws people off and makes them think he should be much older.

 

[jaymes_e06]

and don't cast a kid under 40 for Reed

Ioan Gruffudd was in his 30s and looked just fine.

 

[Dark Raven]

But why does Reed have to be so mud older than everybody else? Excluding the Kirby version of Reed, he's always seem to be be not THAT much older than Sue. I don't see why he has to older. A man I his late thirties is by no means a "Boy" and he can have just as much gravitas and charisma as a 47 year old. Of course experience is always a factor but it's not far fetched whatsoever for somebody a bit younger to be closer to the classic Reed you want and not be pushing 50 years old.

He doesn't have to be in his late 40s. But I'm saying he needs to be a man rather than a boy. Some people in their 30s are still boy like. Others are more like men already. It really depends on the individual.

William Shatner playing Captain Kirk in the original Star Trek series was in his mid to late thirties. But he definitely seemed like a fully-grown man. Reed needs that kind of gung-ho authority and gravitas. He needs to seem like a proper leader.

If they get someone who is too nerdy, then that seems to take away from their confidence and authority, which is a big part of Reed's character as well. It also would make them seem younger if they are too nerdy and socially awkward.

The thing is that sometimes people don't always have that necessary maturity or gravitas until they are at least in their early 40s. And they don't always have that ruggedness either but look too fresh or green even still in their 30s.

Take someone like Andrew Garfield. He is 34. But he still has a certain boyishness about him. Someone like Christopher Reeve, on the other hand, seemed more like a man and had a look of a grown man even though he was younger when he started playing Superman.

It all depends on the individual.

Ioan Gruffudd was in his 30s and looked just fine.

He looks even better for Reed now and has even more of a gravitas that he might not have had yet in his 30s. If he hadn't been Reed already, he would be one of my top picks right now.

 

[Marvel united]

Classic Lee/Kirby Reed was in his early 30s and Sue was a childhood sweetheart so there's not much of an age difference. The biggest age difference was Johnny to the rest of the team. Byrne was the one who creeped it up by making Reed in his 20s when he met Sue who was 12.

So I'd say Reed and Ben should be in their early to mid 30s, Sue in her mid to late 20s, and Johnny late teens (but an actor in his early 20s who can pass for late teens).
I think the graying temples (which he got form the shock of war, not age) throws people off and makes them think he should be much older.

Wow, so I guess that's the reason why I always assumed Reed was so much older than Sue. Seeing him as an adult (I think he was in College) meet Sue as a child was soo odd, considering she's his future wife. Please don't do that in the MCU haha

Well, in that case, Marvel should definitely go for an actor in his 30s for Reed. Casting a 47 year old actor for a role like Reed is just not very practical for Marvel. This guy needs to be able to play this role for at least 12 years. They could even set Reed up as the new face of the MCU after Stark leaves. Marvel will need as much leverage out of the actor as possible.

And I agree, Johnny should be cast in the same age group as the kids from Homecoming (19-22).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But why does Reed have to be so much older than everybody else? Excluding the Kirby version of Reed, he's always seem to be be not THAT much older than Sue. I don't see why he has to be older. A man in his late thirties is by no means a "Boy" and he can have just as much gravitas and charisma as a 47 year old. Of course experience is always a factor but it's not far fetched whatsoever for somebody a bit younger to be closer to the classic Reed you want and not be pushing 50 years old.

Casting an actor in his late forties is just not very practical for Marvel. They'll want as much leverage out of these characters as possible. Casting someone like Jonn Hamm would mean we could get 3 movies out of him MAX. He'll be the age RDJ is NOW almost 10 years after Iron Man (RDJ was 42 when cast) came out

Absolutely. It's all about the actor and their confidence and the script and direction - not age.

Jon Hamm was about 35 when they filmed the first season of Madmen. Miles Teller is 30 now.

Put a 30 year old Miles Teller up against a 30 year old Jon Hamm, and there's no comparison. Hamm is Reed, Teller isn't and never will be... even when he's over 40.

 

[Marvel united]

He doesn't have to be in his late 40s. But I'm saying he needs to be a man rather than a boy. Some people in their 30s are still boy like. Others are more like men already. It really depends on the individual.

William Shatner playing Captain Kirk in the original Star Trek series was in his mid to late thirties. But he definitely seemed like a fully-grown man. Reed needs that kind of gung-ho authority and gravitas. He needs to seem like a proper leader.

If they get someone who is too nerdy, then that seems to take away from their confidence and authority, which is a big part of Reed's character as well. It also would make them seem younger if they are too nerdy and socially awkward.

The thing is that sometimes people don't always have that necessary maturity or gravitas until they are at least in their early 40s. And they don't always have that ruggedness either but look too fresh or green even still in their 30s.

Take someone like Andrew Garfield. He is 34. But he still has a certain boyishness about him. Someone like Christopher Reeve, on the other hand, seemed more like a man and had a look of a grown man even though he was younger when he started playing Superman.

It all depends on the individual.



He looks even better for Reed now and has even more of a gravitas that he might not have had yet in his 30s. If he hadn't been Reed already, he would be one of my top picks right now.

Dude, Garfield is an amazing actor. Some of the movies I've seen him have blew me away with his performances. It's actually kinda crazy that you don't think he could play the strong, assertive leader that Is classic Rees. I understand your point about how age plays a role in gravitas that's true. But as you mentioned there are a lot of younger actors who have exactly what you're looking for, it's the individual.

And I don't see the problem with Reed looking younger. Garfield doesn't look like a teenager but he looks young and that's a GOOD thing. Because he'll age gracefully in the coming years like how good RDJ and Evans are aging. You want somebody who looks young now.

 

[Dark Raven]

Dude, Garfield is an amazing actor. Some of the movies I've seen him have blew me away with his performances. It's actually kinda crazy that you don't think he could play the strong, assertive leader that Is classic Rees. I understand your point about how age plays a role in gravitas that's true. But as you mentioned there are a lot of younger actors who have exactly what you're looking for, it's the individual.

And I don't see the problem with Reed looking younger. Garfield doesn't look like a teenager but he looks young and that's a GOOD thing. Because he'll age gracefully in the coming years like how good RDJ and Evans are aging. You want somebody who looks young now.

I'm not disputing Garfield's acting ability. I'm saying he looks young. Obviously not young enough to be a teenager, as he never did. But he looks still young like a guy in his 20s. He still has a boyish face. And that's not what I want for Reed. I want Reed to have a more mature face just like Jon Hamm would've had in his 30s or William Shatner or many others.

 

[Krystal]

Reed and Ben were supposed to be about 40 in 1961 -- as they were both in college when WWII broke out. Both fought in WWII.
18 or 19 In 1941= 38 or 39 in 1961.
Reed wasn't a mature younger guy - he was middle-aged

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Ioan Gruffudd was in his 30s and looked just fine.

He looks fine NOW. 12 years ago? too babyfaced to take serious

 

[jaymes_e06]

If the make Sue a teenager or early 20s girl and Reed a 40 something I'll throw up.

 

[Dark Raven]

If the make Sue a teenager or early 20s girl and Reed a 40 something I'll throw up.

Did you throw up in these Bond films where, for example, someone like Pierce Brosnan was in his 40s but the Bond girl was in her 20s?

And isn't that sometimes how actresses are cast alongside actors in Hollywood?

There doesn't look like such an age discrepancy. We're not talking about someone who is a doddering old man in their 40s and some baby-faced teenage-looking girl in her 20s.

Sue would obviously look more sophisticated.

Look at Rosamund Pike in Die Another Day:

She was very early 20s in that film. She didn't look so young though.

And Jennifer Lawrence was in her early 20s before but often playing older.

Or what about Emily Bett Rickards in Arrow. She was in her early 20s when she started the role of Felicity Smoak. She was younger than Willa Holland but playing older.

 

[Endeavor]

I'm so happy

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

If the make Sue a teenager or early 20s girl and Reed a 40 something I'll throw up.

meh, mid 20s for Sue is okay if Reed is in his 40s. That's how Hollywood movies are cast anyway on a daily basis

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Reed and Ben were supposed to be about 40 in 1961 -- as they were both in college when WWII broke out. Both fought in WWII.
18 or 19 In 1941= 38 or 39 in 1961.
Reed wasn't a mature younger guy - he was middle-aged

this. also: Reed was around the same age as Fury, maybe 5 years or so younger. SLJ is in his 60s now. 40 is a reasonable age for Reed

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

No matter how much genius you bring we are not talking about sports or the arts it is going to take you until your mid 30s minimum to build up a backstory that Dr. Richards is supposed to obtained. Just as Tony Stark was near retirement age for a soldier when he started avenging.